New electronic design and layout software

[Bob Stephens]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:31:28 +0000, Paul Burke wrote:

Don Prescott wrote:

You're trying to get into a tough marketplace here. Marketing 101:
Nobody's going to come and buy your product 'cos you're super
enthusiatic about it. It's gotta have features that similarly priced
products don't have. From what I've seen Performance EDA doesn't have
em... OK, tell me I'm wrong....


Here's a suggestion that I haven't seen implemented in a CAD system- the
integration of design notes with the CAD. And I mean everything from a
hyperlink straight from the schematic to a set of PDFs of, say, the
processor data sheet and appnotes, to a simple text note explaining why
a resistor must be 120k, and right back to the original specification,
notes from customer meetings, and your expense claims.

Paul Burke

I like it.

Bob

 

[Stephan Rose]

Jesus wept dude. An un editable symbol! Its so apparent that you have
been a software engineer for the last 15 years. Don't get me wrong here,
it does appear that you are a very technically competent software
engineer.

Mine's real easy Load the library..double click the part of the
symbol in the list..*gasp*...there it is...editable!!!

The actual Schematic editor is coming along great too.....

Stephan

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:43:28 GMT, Bob Stephens
<stephensyomamadigital@earthlink.net> wrote:

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:31:28 +0000, Paul Burke wrote:

Don Prescott wrote:

You're trying to get into a tough marketplace here. Marketing 101:
Nobody's going to come and buy your product 'cos you're super
enthusiatic about it. It's gotta have features that similarly priced
products don't have. From what I've seen Performance EDA doesn't have
em... OK, tell me I'm wrong....


Here's a suggestion that I haven't seen implemented in a CAD system- the
integration of design notes with the CAD. And I mean everything from a
hyperlink straight from the schematic to a set of PDFs of, say, the
processor data sheet and appnotes, to a simple text note explaining why
a resistor must be 120k, and right back to the original specification,
notes from customer meetings, and your expense claims.

Paul Burke

I like it.

I'll add it to mine.

Stephan

 

[Gary Crowell / VCP]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:31:28 +0000, Paul Burke <paul@scazon.com>
wrote:

Here's a suggestion that I haven't seen implemented in a CAD system- the
integration of design notes with the CAD. And I mean everything from a
hyperlink straight from the schematic to a set of PDFs of, say, the
processor data sheet and appnotes, to a simple text note explaining why
a resistor must be 120k, and right back to the original specification,
notes from customer meetings, and your expense claims.

Paul Burke

PCAD allows this if you bother to put the links in the library. The
users of my library at work *really* like it.

Gary Crowell
Micron Technology

 

[Kevin Aylward]

Stephan Rose wrote:

Jesus wept dude. An un editable symbol! Its so apparent that you have
been a software engineer for the last 15 years. Don't get me wrong
here, it does appear that you are a very technically competent
software engineer.

Mine's real easy Load the library..double click the part of the
symbol in the list..*gasp*...there it is...editable!!!

In SS, if you drag or double-click the symbol in the docked symbol
folder, it will start placing of the symbol on the schematic. You right
click on the symbol and use the menu to open the editor for that
component. Alternatively, there is the docked preview window which
displays the current selected symbol. Double clicking on this will open
up the editor. You can also directly open an edit window, then load in
the symbol from the lib manager.

The actual Schematic editor is coming along great too.....

Stephan

Best of luck with it. Maybe I should convert SS to use WxWindows...

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

"quotes with no meaning, are meaningless" - Kevin Aylward.

 

[Martin Thompson]

Paul Burke <paul@scazon.com> writes:

Don Prescott wrote:

You're trying to get into a tough marketplace here. Marketing 101:
Nobody's going to come and buy your product 'cos you're super
enthusiatic about it. It's gotta have features that similarly priced
products don't have. From what I've seen Performance EDA doesn't have
em... OK, tell me I'm wrong....


Here's a suggestion that I haven't seen implemented in a CAD system-
the integration of design notes with the CAD. And I mean everything
from a hyperlink straight from the schematic to a set of PDFs of, say,
the processor data sheet and appnotes, to a simple text note
explaining why a resistor must be 120k, and right back to the original
specification, notes from customer meetings, and your expense claims.

VeriBest (now part of Mentor) allows this - the pasting of any OLE
object in there - I've done word docs, excel, PDFs, even small bits of
excel which do the calculations for you, and you can edit them on the
page inside the schematic editor. The only things left is for it to
pick out the answer and select the right resistors from the libraries!

Cheers,
Martin

--
martin.j.thompson@trw.com
TRW Conekt, Solihull, UK
http://www.trw.com/conekt

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:43:14 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
<kevindotaylwardEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

Stephan Rose wrote:
Jesus wept dude. An un editable symbol! Its so apparent that you have
been a software engineer for the last 15 years. Don't get me wrong
here, it does appear that you are a very technically competent
software engineer.

Mine's real easy Load the library..double click the part of the
symbol in the list..*gasp*...there it is...editable!!!

In SS, if you drag or double-click the symbol in the docked symbol
folder, it will start placing of the symbol on the schematic. You right
click on the symbol and use the menu to open the editor for that
component. Alternatively, there is the docked preview window which
displays the current selected symbol. Double clicking on this will open
up the editor. You can also directly open an edit window, then load in
the symbol from the lib manager.

Yea as far as placing goes...I have a place part command for that, hit
the command, pops open a window, choose the part you want to place,
then it's attached to your mouse and..go place away!

Once I add project management, I intend on having a list of referenced
libraries in the project, and I'm planning on implementing a drag/drop
type of functionality there as well. So you could expand a library,
choose a symbol, and drag it to a view.

On that note actually...got a question for ya, or anyone else that'd
like to answer it. I think it was you who mentioned that you liked
having buttons for common components, if not even considered it
essential.

Aside from the obvious...resistors, caps, mosfets, etc. what are other
basic default components like that? What are some components that
should be there, but commonly aren't!? (if any)

In that aspect, I'm going to create a default library..which can be
edited...and this default library would be available to every project,
non-removable. And it'd be possible, like with any other library, to
drag/drop symbols from it. So that'd allow for this type of
functionality. Probably a good idea too to allow to attach a symbol to
the mouse cursor via a right click menu for multiple placements. This
would even allow for adding custom symbols that only a certain person
may use 24/7, but the rest of the world has never heard of.

I'm probably gonna have a new release with a test single schematic
document to play around with pretty soon towards the end of this
month. Kinda had to defer the schematic code a little bit this week by
having to do some major work on the rendering and core engines to
speed up rendering and object querys. Both are running excellent now.

The actual Schematic editor is coming along great too.....

Stephan

Best of luck with it. Maybe I should convert SS to use WxWindows...

Thank you!

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

"quotes with no meaning, are meaningless" - Kevin Aylward.

 

[Kevin Aylward]

Stephan Rose wrote:

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:43:14 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
kevindotaylwardEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:


Once I add project management, I intend on having a list of referenced
libraries in the project, and I'm planning on implementing a drag/drop
type of functionality there as well. So you could expand a library,
choose a symbol, and drag it to a view.

On that note actually...got a question for ya, or anyone else that'd
like to answer it. I think it was you who mentioned that you liked
having buttons for common components, if not even considered it
essential.

Aside from the obvious...resistors, caps, mosfets, etc. what are other
basic default components like that? What are some components that
should be there, but commonly aren't!? (if any)

Probably none. Too many, and it starts to clutter things up.

In that aspect, I'm going to create a default library..which can be
edited...and this default library would be available to every project,
non-removable. And it'd be possible, like with any other library, to
drag/drop symbols from it. So that'd allow for this type of
functionality. Probably a good idea too to allow to attach a symbol to
the mouse cursor via a right click menu for multiple placements. This
would even allow for adding custom symbols that only a certain person
may use 24/7, but the rest of the world has never heard of.

SS has a configurable library set up. Any set of model and symbol
libraries can be saved and loaded. For example if a project uses a set
of symbols you might not want to clutter the file browser with 1000's of
other project sets of symbols.

I'm probably gonna have a new release with a test single schematic
document to play around with pretty soon towards the end of this
month. Kinda had to defer the schematic code a little bit this week by
having to do some major work on the rendering and core engines to
speed up rendering and object querys. Both are running excellent now.

Try not to think too engineering, think marketing. Its easy to strive
for perfection that won't result in any increase in sales/users. Always
ask the question, if I do this, will significantly more use it?


Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

"quotes with no meaning, are meaningless" - Kevin Aylward.

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:20:17 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
<kevindotaylwardEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

Stephan Rose wrote:
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:43:14 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
kevindotaylwardEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:


Once I add project management, I intend on having a list of referenced
libraries in the project, and I'm planning on implementing a drag/drop
type of functionality there as well. So you could expand a library,
choose a symbol, and drag it to a view.

On that note actually...got a question for ya, or anyone else that'd
like to answer it. I think it was you who mentioned that you liked
having buttons for common components, if not even considered it
essential.

Aside from the obvious...resistors, caps, mosfets, etc. what are other
basic default components like that? What are some components that
should be there, but commonly aren't!? (if any)

Probably none. Too many, and it starts to clutter things up.

Very true!

In that aspect, I'm going to create a default library..which can be
edited...and this default library would be available to every project,
non-removable. And it'd be possible, like with any other library, to
drag/drop symbols from it. So that'd allow for this type of
functionality. Probably a good idea too to allow to attach a symbol to
the mouse cursor via a right click menu for multiple placements. This
would even allow for adding custom symbols that only a certain person
may use 24/7, but the rest of the world has never heard of.

SS has a configurable library set up. Any set of model and symbol
libraries can be saved and loaded. For example if a project uses a set
of symbols you might not want to clutter the file browser with 1000's of
other project sets of symbols.

Nice!

I'm probably gonna have a new release with a test single schematic
document to play around with pretty soon towards the end of this
month. Kinda had to defer the schematic code a little bit this week by
having to do some major work on the rendering and core engines to
speed up rendering and object querys. Both are running excellent now.

Try not to think too engineering, think marketing. Its easy to strive
for perfection that won't result in any increase in sales/users. Always
ask the question, if I do this, will significantly more use it?

Thanks,

This was definitely one of those cases though where I had to do
something.

400 ms rendering time per frame...at 500 objects...
or 7 ms rendering time per frame..at any number of objects...

I think the second case is gonna be appreciated by users.

Stephan

 

[Kevin Aylward]

Stephan Rose wrote:

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:20:17 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
kevindotaylwardEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

Try not to think too engineering, think marketing. Its easy to strive
for perfection that won't result in any increase in sales/users.
Always ask the question, if I do this, will significantly more use
it?


Thanks,

This was definitely one of those cases though where I had to do
something.

400 ms rendering time per frame...at 500 objects...
or 7 ms rendering time per frame..at any number of objects...

I think the second case is gonna be appreciated by users.

Yes. I remember when I done my first go at waveform drawing. I ignored
it for about two years, then actually went back and had a look at how it
was allocating memory. Oh dear... After a about 10 lines of code change
I literally speeded it up by at least a factor of 10. For big files it
was several seconds to redraw.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

"quotes with no meaning, are meaningless" - Kevin Aylward.

 

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