NBN verses 4G. Is there a contest?

[Don McKenzie]

4G IS HERE: Telstra’s 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

The nation’s largest telco Telstra has revealed plans to upgrade its Next G mobile network in central business districts
around the nation to the Long-Term Evolution (LTE) standard by the end of 2011, introducing the ’4G’ or fourth
generation marketing term into the Australian market as it is doing so.

From the Comments:
If you did radio telecommunications engineering, you would realise that the amount of spectrum available for 4G services
would probably be able to give everyone 100mbit speeds uncongested, even in high density areas. In fact its even in the
4G standard to use much more spectrum available (which you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G)

Furthermore, 4G has numerous benefits over 3G (not including being able to use more spectrum)
- It can jump to different spectrum bands ‘instantly’, which is what allows 4G to download so much faster
- It has much higher spectral efficiency (that is, it is able to deliver much more bits per spectrum, i.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency)
- It uses topologies much better then 3G
- It uses leveraging of spectrum to provide much better latency then 3G (this is already evident by Verizon’s
deployment, which cut latency by average in half)

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollout/#more-12337

Cheers Don...

==========================


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[SG1]

"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
news:8ru0tmFvvU1@mid.individual.net...

4G IS HERE: Telstra’s 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

The nation’s largest telco Telstra has revealed plans to upgrade its Next
G mobile network in central business districts around the nation to the
Long-Term Evolution (LTE) standard by the end of 2011, introducing the ’4G’
or fourth generation marketing term into the Australian market as it is
doing so.

From the Comments:
If you did radio telecommunications engineering, you would realise that
the amount of spectrum available for 4G services would probably be able to
give everyone 100mbit speeds uncongested, even in high density areas. In
fact its even in the 4G standard to use much more spectrum available
(which you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G)

Furthermore, 4G has numerous benefits over 3G (not including being able to
use more spectrum)
- It can jump to different spectrum bands ‘instantly’, which is what
allows 4G to download so much faster
- It has much higher spectral efficiency (that is, it is able to deliver
much more bits per spectrum, i.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency)
- It uses topologies much better then 3G
- It uses leveraging of spectrum to provide much better latency then 3G
(this is already evident by Verizon’s deployment, which cut latency by
average in half)

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollout/#more-12337

Cheers Don...

Over to you Roddles, debunking time. Or to put it another way, time for pork
with a hole in it.

==========================


--
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Bare Proto PCB for PIC or AVR projects?
"I'd buy that for a Dollar!".

 

[Barry OGrady]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:49:55 +1100, Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote:

4G IS HERE: Telstra’s 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

The nation’s largest telco Telstra has revealed plans to upgrade its Next G mobile network in central business districts
around the nation to the Long-Term Evolution (LTE) standard by the end of 2011, introducing the ’4G’ or fourth
generation marketing term into the Australian market as it is doing so.

From the Comments:
If you did radio telecommunications engineering, you would realise that the amount of spectrum available for 4G services
would probably be able to give everyone 100mbit speeds uncongested, even in high density areas. In fact its even in the
4G standard to use much more spectrum available (which you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G)

Furthermore, 4G has numerous benefits over 3G (not including being able to use more spectrum)
- It can jump to different spectrum bands ‘instantly’, which is what allows 4G to download so much faster
- It has much higher spectral efficiency (that is, it is able to deliver much more bits per spectrum, i.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency)
- It uses topologies much better then 3G
- It uses leveraging of spectrum to provide much better latency then 3G (this is already evident by Verizon’s
deployment, which cut latency by average in half)

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollout/#more-12337

Cheers Don...

==========================

There will never be enough radio spectrum to give everyone high speed
access.

--
Don McKenzie

 

[son of a bitch]

On 2011/02/15 15:07, Barry OGrady wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:49:55 +1100, Don McKenzie<5V@2.5A> wrote:


4G IS HERE: Telstra’s 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

The nation’s largest telco Telstra has revealed plans to upgrade its Next G mobile network in central business districts
around the nation to the Long-Term Evolution (LTE) standard by the end of 2011, introducing the ’4G’ or fourth
generation marketing term into the Australian market as it is doing so.

From the Comments:
If you did radio telecommunications engineering, you would realise that the amount of spectrum available for 4G services
would probably be able to give everyone 100mbit speeds uncongested, even in high density areas. In fact its even in the
4G standard to use much more spectrum available (which you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G)

Furthermore, 4G has numerous benefits over 3G (not including being able to use more spectrum)
- It can jump to different spectrum bands ‘instantly’, which is what allows 4G to download so much faster
- It has much higher spectral efficiency (that is, it is able to deliver much more bits per spectrum, i.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency)
- It uses topologies much better then 3G
- It uses leveraging of spectrum to provide much better latency then 3G (this is already evident by Verizon’s
deployment, which cut latency by average in half)

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollout/#more-12337

Cheers Don...

==========================

There will never be enough radio spectrum to give everyone high speed
access.

--
Don McKenzie

It will Never replace existing Broadband as a Primary contender.

Just like Solar and Wind Power Generator. It's nice to have
but will never replace anything.

 

[Jack Simms]

As long as you live in the big smoke ... typical friggin Telstra

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:49:55 +1100, Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote:

4G IS HERE: Telstra’s 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

The nation’s largest telco Telstra has revealed plans to upgrade its Next G mobile network in central business districts
around the nation to the Long-Term Evolution (LTE) standard by the end of 2011, introducing the ’4G’ or fourth
generation marketing term into the Australian market as it is doing so.

From the Comments:
If you did radio telecommunications engineering, you would realise that the amount of spectrum available for 4G services
would probably be able to give everyone 100mbit speeds uncongested, even in high density areas. In fact its even in the
4G standard to use much more spectrum available (which you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G)

Furthermore, 4G has numerous benefits over 3G (not including being able to use more spectrum)
- It can jump to different spectrum bands ‘instantly’, which is what allows 4G to download so much faster
- It has much higher spectral efficiency (that is, it is able to deliver much more bits per spectrum, i.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency)
- It uses topologies much better then 3G
- It uses leveraging of spectrum to provide much better latency then 3G (this is already evident by Verizon’s
deployment, which cut latency by average in half)

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollout/#more-12337

Cheers Don...

==========================

 

[Rod Speed]

Master Who wrote

son of a bitch wrote
Barry OGrady wrote
Don McKenzie<5V@2.5A> wrote

4G IS HERE: Telstra's 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

The nation's largest telco Telstra has revealed plans to upgrade
its Next G mobile network in central business districts around
the nation to the Long-Term Evolution (LTE) standard by the end
of 2011, introducing the '4G' or fourth generation marketing term
into the Australian market as it is doing so.

From the Comments:
If you did radio telecommunications engineering, you would
realise that the amount of spectrum available for 4G services
would probably be able to give everyone 100mbit speeds
uncongested, even in high density areas. In fact its even in the
4G standard to use much more spectrum available (which you can
see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G)

Furthermore, 4G has numerous benefits over 3G (not including
being able to use more spectrum) - It can jump to different
spectrum bands 'instantly', which is what allows 4G to download
so much faster - It has much higher spectral efficiency (that is,
it is able to deliver much more bits per spectrum, i.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency) - It uses
topologies much better then 3G - It uses leveraging of spectrum
to provide much better latency then 3G (this is already evident
by Verizon's deployment, which cut latency by average in half)

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollout/#more-12337

There will never be enough radio spectrum to give everyone high speed access.

It will Never replace existing Broadband as a Primary contender.

Just like Solar and Wind Power Generator.
It's nice to have but will never replace anything.

In five years time will you still say that?

Yep.

Like IBM and the first computers

Nothing like, actually.

I think history will tell it differently.

Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.

You can't stop trechnology.

Yes, but even someone as stupid as you will eventually notice that the
wireless bases just happened to be connected by fiber optic and that
you will never be able to deliver hundreds of TV channels via wireless.

No one saw thwe internet comming

Some did, actually.

and no one knows where the future will be.

Wrong, as always. We know that there just isnt enough bandwith with wireless alone.

If you believe wireless has no future

He never ever said anything like that either, fool.

then you are truly a caveman.

Having fun thrashing that straw man, child ?

 

[Dr Who]

son of a bitch wrote:

On 2011/02/15 15:07, Barry OGrady wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:49:55 +1100, Don McKenzie<5V@2.5A> wrote:


4G IS HERE: Telstra’s 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

The nation’s largest telco Telstra has revealed plans to upgrade
its Next G mobile network in central business districts around
the nation to the Long-Term Evolution (LTE) standard by the end
of 2011, introducing the ’4G’ or fourth generation marketing term
into the Australian market as it is doing so.

From the Comments:
If you did radio telecommunications engineering, you would
realise that the amount of spectrum available for 4G services
would probably be able to give everyone 100mbit speeds
uncongested, even in high density areas. In fact its even in the
4G standard to use much more spectrum available (which you can
see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G)

Furthermore, 4G has numerous benefits over 3G (not including
being able to use more spectrum) - It can jump to different
spectrum bands ‘instantly’, which is what allows 4G to download
so much faster - It has much higher spectral efficiency (that is,
it is able to deliver much more bits per spectrum, i.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency) - It uses
topologies much better then 3G - It uses leveraging of spectrum
to provide much better latency then 3G (this is already evident
by Verizon’s deployment, which cut latency by average in half)

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollou
t/#more-12337

Cheers Don...

==========================

There will never be enough radio spectrum to give everyone high
speed access.

--
Don McKenzie


It will Never replace existing Broadband as a Primary contender.

Just like Solar and Wind Power Generator. It's nice to have
but will never replace anything.

In five years time will you still say that?

Like IBM and the first computers I think history will tell it
differently.

You can't stop trechnology.

No one saw thwe internet comming and no one knows where the future will
be.

If you believe wireless has no future then you are truly a caveman.

 

[N]

On 15/02/2011, Don McKenzie wrote:

4G IS HERE: Telstra’s 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

The nation’s largest telco Telstra has revealed plans to upgrade its Next G
mobile network in central business districts around the nation to the
Long-Term Evolution (LTE) standard by the end of 2011, introducing the ’4G’
or fourth generation marketing term into the Australian market as it is doing
so.

From the Comments:
If you did radio telecommunications engineering, you would realise that the
amount of spectrum available for 4G services would probably be able to give
everyone 100mbit speeds uncongested, even in high density areas. In fact its
even in the 4G standard to use much more spectrum available (which you can
see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G)

Furthermore, 4G has numerous benefits over 3G (not including being able to
use more spectrum)
- It can jump to different spectrum bands ‘instantly’, which is what allows
4G to download so much faster
- It has much higher spectral efficiency (that is, it is able to deliver much
more bits per spectrum, i.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency)
- It uses topologies much better then 3G
- It uses leveraging of spectrum to provide much better latency then 3G (this
is already evident by Verizon’s deployment, which cut latency by average in
half)

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollout/#more-12337

Cheers Don...

==========================

http://www.vividwireless.com.au/home

 

[B J Foster]

On 15/02/2011 5:38 PM, Jack Simms wrote:

As long as you live in the big smoke ... typical friggin Telstra

It is a business, not a charity

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:49:55 +1100, Don McKenzie<5V@2.5A> wrote:


4G IS HERE: Telstra’s 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

....

 

[son of a bitch]

On 2011/02/15 20:34, Dr Who wrote:

son of a bitch wrote:

On 2011/02/15 15:07, Barry OGrady wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:49:55 +1100, Don McKenzie<5V@2.5A> wrote:


4G IS HERE: Telstra’s 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

The nation’s largest telco Telstra has revealed plans to upgrade
its Next G mobile network in central business districts around
the nation to the Long-Term Evolution (LTE) standard by the end
of 2011, introducing the ’4G’ or fourth generation marketing term
into the Australian market as it is doing so.

From the Comments:
If you did radio telecommunications engineering, you would
realise that the amount of spectrum available for 4G services
would probably be able to give everyone 100mbit speeds
uncongested, even in high density areas. In fact its even in the
4G standard to use much more spectrum available (which you can
see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G)

Furthermore, 4G has numerous benefits over 3G (not including
being able to use more spectrum) - It can jump to different
spectrum bands ‘instantly’, which is what allows 4G to download
so much faster - It has much higher spectral efficiency (that is,
it is able to deliver much more bits per spectrum, i.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency) - It uses
topologies much better then 3G - It uses leveraging of spectrum
to provide much better latency then 3G (this is already evident
by Verizon’s deployment, which cut latency by average in half)

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollou
t/#more-12337

Cheers Don...

==========================

There will never be enough radio spectrum to give everyone high
speed access.

--
Don McKenzie


It will Never replace existing Broadband as a Primary contender.

Just like Solar and Wind Power Generator. It's nice to have
but will never replace anything.


In five years time will you still say that?

Like IBM and the first computers I think history will tell it
differently.

You can't stop trechnology.

No one saw thwe internet comming and no one knows where the future will
be.

If you believe wireless has no future then you are truly a caveman.

Wireless Broadband is for Yuppies with Phones or Use Laptops on a Bus.
So yes, I will still say that in 5 Years

 

[kreed]

On Feb 15, 7:34 pm, "Dr Who" <dead_letter_off...@hotmail.com> wrote:

son of a bitch wrote:



On 2011/02/15 15:07, Barry OGrady wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:49:55 +1100, Don McKenzie<5...@2.5A>  wrote:

4G IS HERE: Telstra’s 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

The nation’s largest telco Telstra has revealed plans to upgrade
its Next G mobile network in central business districts around
the nation to the Long-Term Evolution (LTE) standard by the end
of 2011, introducing the ’4G’ or fourth generation marketing term
into the Australian market as it is doing so.

From the Comments:
If you did radio telecommunications engineering, you would
realise that the amount of spectrum available for 4G services
would probably be able to give everyone 100mbit speeds
uncongested, even in high density areas. In fact its even in the
4G standard to use much more spectrum available (which you can
see herehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G)

Furthermore, 4G has numerous benefits over 3G (not including
being able to use more spectrum) - It can jump to different
spectrum bands ‘instantly’, which is what allows 4G to download
so much faster - It has much higher spectral efficiency (that is,
it is able to deliver much more bits per spectrum, i.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency) - It uses
topologies much better then 3G - It uses leveraging of spectrum
to provide much better latency then 3G (this is already evident
by Verizon’s deployment, which cut latency by average in half)

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollou
t/#more-12337

Cheers Don...

=========================
There will never be enough radio spectrum to give everyone high
speed access.

--
Don McKenzie

It will Never replace existing Broadband as a Primary contender.

Just like Solar and Wind Power Generator. It's nice to have
but will never replace anything.

In five years time will you still say that?

Like IBM and the first computers I think history will tell it
differently.

You can't stop trechnology.

No one saw thwe internet comming and no one knows where the future will
be.

If you believe wireless has no future then you are truly a caveman.

While you have Telstra involved, it will be like having a new Ferrari,
that becomes speed limted to the level of a pushbike after you drive
it more than 10k a month. In other words, totally useless.

Total waste of time in this non-competitive profit bloated market.
In more advanced countries - it would be great.

 

[Don McKenzie]

On 15-Feb-11 8:37 PM, N wrote:

On 15/02/2011, Don McKenzie wrote:
4G IS HERE: Telstra’s 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollout/#more-12337

http://www.vividwireless.com.au/home

If the video at:
http://www.vividwireless.com.au/discover-it-now
is to be believed, it is about 3 times as fast as my 3G USB modem, but only about half the speed of my slow Optus cable
at 19061 kbps.

Vividwireless comes in at around 9000-10000 kbps.
But for the mobile generation, WOW!

Wireless is the fastest growing internet comms method, but it appears to be up against a few technology hurdles.

BTW
Can't wait to test a 4G modem for my "MOBILE" travels.

Cheers Don...

========================


--
Don McKenzie

Site Map: http://www.dontronics.com/sitemap
E-Mail Contact Page: http://www.dontronics.com/email
Web Camera Page: http://www.dontronics.com/webcam
No More Damn Spam: http://www.dontronics.com/spam

These products will reduce in price by 5% every month:
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/minus-5-every-month.html
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/ics.html

Bare Proto PCB for PIC or AVR projects?
"I'd buy that for a Dollar!".

 

[Rod Speed]

kreed wrote

Dr Who <dead_letter_off...@hotmail.com> wrote
son of a bitch wrote
Barry OGrady wrote
Don McKenzie<5...@2.5A> wrote

4G IS HERE: Telstra’s 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

The nation’s largest telco Telstra has revealed plans to upgrade
its Next G mobile network in central business districts around
the nation to the Long-Term Evolution (LTE) standard by the end
of 2011, introducing the ’4G’ or fourth generation marketing term
into the Australian market as it is doing so.

From the Comments:
If you did radio telecommunications engineering, you would
realise that the amount of spectrum available for 4G services
would probably be able to give everyone 100mbit speeds
uncongested, even in high density areas. In fact its even in the
4G standard to use much more spectrum available (which you can
see herehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G)

Furthermore, 4G has numerous benefits over 3G (not including
being able to use more spectrum) - It can jump to different
spectrum bands ‘instantly’, which is what allows 4G to download
so much faster - It has much higher spectral efficiency (that is,
it is able to deliver much more bits per spectrum, i.e.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency) - It uses
topologies much better then 3G - It uses leveraging of spectrum
to provide much better latency then 3G (this is already evident
by Verizon’s deployment, which cut latency by average in half)

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollou
t/#more-12337

There will never be enough radio spectrum to give everyone high speed access.

It will Never replace existing Broadband as a Primary contender.

Just like Solar and Wind Power Generator. It's nice to have
but will never replace anything.

In five years time will you still say that?

Like IBM and the first computers I think history will tell it differently.

You can't stop trechnology.

No one saw thwe internet comming and no one knows where the future will be.

If you believe wireless has no future then you are truly a caveman.

While you have Telstra involved, it will be like having a new Ferrari,
that becomes speed limted to the level of a pushbike after you drive
it more than 10k a month. In other words, totally useless.

How odd that NextG isnt.

Total waste of time in this non-competitive profit bloated market.

How odd that NextG isnt.

In more advanced countries - it would be great.

Its great here too.

And will put a bomb under Optarse just like 3G did too.

 

[B J Foster]

On 15/02/2011 10:00 PM, son of a bitch wrote:

If you believe wireless has no future then you are truly a caveman.

Wireless Broadband is for Yuppies with Phones or Use Laptops on a Bus.
So yes, I will still say that in 5 Years

It is also a way to provide broadband to an entire suburb, instantly,
cheaply and without unsightly wires and poles.

*If* there is a case for FTTP then there is a case *first* wireless,
then FTTP. The cost/benefit is massively in favour of wireless and in no
way does it exclude doing FTTP later.

The real problem to be solved is how to dismiss this idiot Labor
government that is wasting $49.5b of our money.

Actually, if Telstra employs the $11b (ROTFL) to implement LTE, then you
can't truly say it is "wasted", can you?

Labor idiots.

 

[N]

On 16/02/2011, Don McKenzie wrote:

On 15-Feb-11 8:37 PM, N wrote:
On 15/02/2011, Don McKenzie wrote:
4G IS HERE: Telstra’s 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollout/#more-12337

http://www.vividwireless.com.au/home

If the video at:
http://www.vividwireless.com.au/discover-it-now
is to be believed, it is about 3 times as fast as my 3G USB modem, but only
about half the speed of my slow Optus cable at 19061 kbps.

Vividwireless comes in at around 9000-10000 kbps.
But for the mobile generation, WOW!

Wireless is the fastest growing internet comms method, but it appears to be
up against a few technology hurdles.

BTW
Can't wait to test a 4G modem for my "MOBILE" travels.

Cheers Don...

========================

What would bother me, is the patchy coverage. I suspect the distance
around each repeater is quite short.

 

[Petzl]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 06:33:09 +1100, B J Foster
<bjfoster@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

On 15/02/2011 10:00 PM, son of a bitch wrote:
If you believe wireless has no future then you are truly a caveman.

Wireless Broadband is for Yuppies with Phones or Use Laptops on a Bus.
So yes, I will still say that in 5 Years

It is also a way to provide broadband to an entire suburb, instantly,
cheaply and without unsightly wires and poles.

*If* there is a case for FTTP then there is a case *first* wireless,
then FTTP. The cost/benefit is massively in favour of wireless and in no
way does it exclude doing FTTP later.

The real problem to be solved is how to dismiss this idiot Labor
government that is wasting $49.5b of our money.

Actually, if Telstra employs the $11b (ROTFL) to implement LTE, then you
can't truly say it is "wasted", can you?

Labor idiots.

4G Bases will still need a optic fibre connections and its speed will
be determined by distance and will only be in major centres
While handy for those that can access it, it won't replace the need
for the NBN. It will compete with the need for a landline in the
Cities or major regional centres. These areas though are where it's
economic for Telstra to provide landline, though outskirts of these
centres it becomes less profitable
--
Petzl
Is Gillard Australian? Is Abbott?
Robert Wood was elected in 1987 to take his seat in the Senate in 1988 The High Court, in its decision In Re Wood ((1988)167 CLR 145),declared Wood s election to be invalid, as he was not an Australian citizen at the time of his election.

 

[B J Foster]

On 16/02/2011 7:45 AM, Petzl wrote:

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 06:33:09 +1100, B J Foster
bjfoster@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

On 15/02/2011 10:00 PM, son of a bitch wrote:
If you believe wireless has no future then you are truly a caveman.

Wireless Broadband is for Yuppies with Phones or Use Laptops on a Bus.
So yes, I will still say that in 5 Years

It is also a way to provide broadband to an entire suburb, instantly,
cheaply and without unsightly wires and poles.

*If* there is a case for FTTP then there is a case *first* wireless,
then FTTP. The cost/benefit is massively in favour of wireless and in no
way does it exclude doing FTTP later.

The real problem to be solved is how to dismiss this idiot Labor
government that is wasting $49.5b of our money.

Actually, if Telstra employs the $11b (ROTFL) to implement LTE, then you
can't truly say it is "wasted", can you?

Labor idiots.

4G Bases will still need a optic fibre connections

Really?

and its speed will
be determined by distance

Nope.

be determined by distance and will only be in major centres

That is Telstra's choice.

The guvmint's choice is *also* to provide broadband in major centre
where there are ample providers already. Why? Labor idiots.

While handy for those that can access it, it won't replace the need
for the NBN.

What is the need for the NBN?

It will compete with the need for a landline in the

How does a *need* compete?

Cities or major regional centres. These areas though are where it's
economic for Telstra to provide landline, though outskirts of these
centres it becomes less profitable

Have you idiots any idea how big this country is?
Try to venture a little west of Paramatta, Penrith will do to start with.

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[Don McKenzie]

On 16-Feb-11 7:07 AM, N wrote:

On 16/02/2011, Don McKenzie wrote:

Wireless is the fastest growing internet comms method, but it appears to be up against a few technology hurdles.

BTW
Can't wait to test a 4G modem for my "MOBILE" travels.

Cheers Don...

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What would bother me, is the patchy coverage. I suspect the distance around each repeater is quite short.

True. My travels are generally in areas that would be well populated, and hopefully will receive good coverage.

Looks like we will find out about 4G very soon, as Optus and others are getting aboard.

LTE? We’ve got that too, say Optus, VHA
http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/15/lte-weve-got-that-too-say-optus-vha/

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[Rod Speed]

B J Foster wrote

son of a bitch wrote

If you believe wireless has no future then you are truly a caveman.

Wireless Broadband is for Yuppies with Phones or Use Laptops on a Bus. So yes, I will still say that in 5 Years

It is also a way to provide broadband to an entire suburb, instantly,

Nothing even remotely resembling anything like instantly or an entire suburb either.

cheaply and without unsightly wires and poles.

Another pig ignorant lie. You still need the bases and the antennas fool.

*If* there is a case for FTTP then there is a case *first* wireless, then FTTP.

Nope, because wireless is almost universal now where there is any population at all.

The cost/benefit is massively in favour of wireless

Pity about the bandwidth that nothing can be done about.

and in no way does it exclude doing FTTP later.

Wireless is already done, fool.

The real problem to be solved is how to dismiss this idiot Labor government that is wasting $49.5b of our money.

That last is a lie.

Actually, if Telstra employs the $11b (ROTFL) to implement LTE,

They aint gunna spend anything like that on it and wont be getting the $11B either when the ACCC kills it.

then you can't truly say it is "wasted", can you?

It is if no one much uses it and they mostly use the NBN and the current broadband instead.

 

[Rod Speed]

N wrote

Don McKenzie wrote
N wrote
Don McKenzie wrote

4G IS HERE: Telstraâ?Ts 2011 rollout.
February 14, 2011

http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/14/4g-is-here-telstras-2011-rollout/#more-12337

http://www.vividwireless.com.au/home

If the video at:
http://www.vividwireless.com.au/discover-it-now
is to be believed, it is about 3 times as fast as my 3G USB modem,
but only about half the speed of my slow Optus cable at 19061 kbps.

Vividwireless comes in at around 9000-10000 kbps.
But for the mobile generation, WOW!

Wireless is the fastest growing internet comms method, but it appears to be up against a few technology hurdles.

BTW
Can't wait to test a 4G modem for my "MOBILE" travels.

What would bother me, is the patchy coverage.

You have no idea if that will be the case or not.

I suspect the distance around each repeater is quite short.

You're wrong.