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On Dec 17, 9:49 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:12:24 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
...
Penicillin has a lot of different names. The VA likes Amoxicillin.
Amoxicillin <> penicillin. Close, but they're not the same.
A gal like her, with her extensive experience with VD
would know that.
It's also far more effective when taken orally. ...as effective, or more,"krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Penicillin has a lot of different names. The VA likes Amoxicillin.
Amoxicillin <> penicillin. Close, but they're not the same.
They are the same family, but the VA uses Amoxicillin because it's a
wider spectrum antibiotic.
Ack! A bacterial skin infection? Where did you pick that up? ...or is it anI have spent most of the last couple months
on various antibiotics because of the swollen, gray patches of swollen
dead skin on my legs. It's gone on one leg, but about half of it is
still on the other.
Oh yeah, PMs are known for their scientific abilities... the former PM of
Norway (ref item a, 'authority', above), Brundtland, went
on public record stating that "it is immoral to question
the standpoints of IPCC." Such statements leave little
room for scepticism.
Rubbish. The opposing arguments have been listened"(h) being fallible and put forth tentatively rather
than being put forth as infallible or inerrant."
There are no identifiable
signs of tentativeness or conditionals, in the
'argumnetation' originating from the IPCC side
of the debate.
Only in your head.So the IPCC side fails eight out of eight listed
identifiers of pseudo science.
No.Food for thought...?
The drug of life my boy, work hard, play hard. learn fast."Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Dec 17, 9:49 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:12:24 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
...
Penicillin has a lot of different names. The VA likes Amoxicillin.
Amoxicillin <> penicillin. Close, but they're not the same.
A gal like her, with her extensive experience with VD
would know that.
What kind of drugs are you on?
I said I was treated at a local emergency room. My primary careJerry Avins wrote:
On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
...
Penicillin has a lot of different names. The VA likes Amoxicillin.
This one didn't have "cillin" as part of the name, but don't you think
the prescribing physician should have known that he was steering his
patient to anaphylactic shock? The warning in my computerized records
was clear (and unnecessary, but we didn't know that at the time). My
pharmacist knew it was a penicillin, and knew about my supposed allergy
without consulting a computer.
You haven't said who provides your medical care, but at the VA clinic
the pharmacy is right across the hall from the Primary Care Physicians
at the CBOC I am assigned to.
Certainly, but would they then incur an obligation to maintain it?Several large hospital chains have tried to get the government to force
the VA to give them copies of the medical care software they created at
no charge, because it has one of the lowest error rates in the
industry. The VA developed it to lower their operating costs and the
ones who want it don't want to spend the money to duplicate it. I think
that the VA should be allowed to license it to outside use, and use that
money on homeless Veterans.
On 12/17/2011 4:09 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Jerry Avins wrote:
On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
...
Penicillin has a lot of different names. The VA likes Amoxicillin.
This one didn't have "cillin" as part of the name, but don't you think
the prescribing physician should have known that he was steering his
patient to anaphylactic shock? The warning in my computerized records
was clear (and unnecessary, but we didn't know that at the time). My
pharmacist knew it was a penicillin, and knew about my supposed allergy
without consulting a computer.
You haven't said who provides your medical care, but at the VA clinic
the pharmacy is right across the hall from the Primary Care Physicians
at the CBOC I am assigned to.
I said I was treated at a local emergency room. My primary care
physician has sent me there because she believed the wound would require
stitching.
Several large hospital chains have tried to get the government to force
the VA to give them copies of the medical care software they created at
no charge, because it has one of the lowest error rates in the
industry. The VA developed it to lower their operating costs and the
ones who want it don't want to spend the money to duplicate it. I think
that the VA should be allowed to license it to outside use, and use that
money on homeless Veterans.
Certainly, but would they then incur an obligation to maintain it?
Ick! Cellphones have even more germs than computerHow about texting while operating in the OR?
On Dec 17, 1:20 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net
wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Dec 17, 9:49 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:12:24 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
...
Penicillin has a lot of different names. The VA likes Amoxicillin.
Amoxicillin <> penicillin. Close, but they're not the same.
A gal like her, with her extensive experience with VD
would know that.
What kind of drugs are you on?
The drug of life my boy, work hard, play hard. learn fast.
Got some bad food poisoning, that opened an old stab wound
from wretching, so I figure proton inhibitors are ok, to
get the rewound healed better.
On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:20:18 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
"krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Penicillin has a lot of different names. The VA likes Amoxicillin.
Amoxicillin <> penicillin. Close, but they're not the same.
They are the same family, but the VA uses Amoxicillin because it's a
wider spectrum antibiotic.
It's also far more effective when taken orally. ...as effective, or more,
than a lump of penicillin in the butt.
I have spent most of the last couple months on various antibiotics
because of the swollen, gray patches of swollen dead skin on my legs.
It's gone on one leg, but about half of it is still on the other.
Ack! A bacterial skin infection? Where did you pick that up? ...or is it an
immune system problem?
Really? They're dimmer than I'd thought, then. The VA's codebase is in... Several large hospital chains have tried to get the government to
force the VA to give them copies of the medical care software they
created at no charge....
Whhatever other differences of opinions we meght have,On Dec 15, 11:46 pm, Rune Allnor <all...@tele.ntnu.no> wrote:
... the former PM of
Norway (ref item a, 'authority', above), Brundtland, went
on public record stating that "it is immoral to question
the standpoints of IPCC." Such statements leave little
room for scepticism.
Oh yeah, PMs are known for their scientific abilities
and tendency not to make stupid claims in public.
Not.
If it was only that one nutter, you might have a point....and you're claiming that one nutter saying the wrong
thing invalidates the opinions of 97% of the scientists
of the world?
Uhuh.
Those mechanisms were proposed in the early/mid '90s."(h) being fallible and put forth tentatively rather
than being put forth as infallible or inerrant."
There are no identifiable
signs of tentativeness or conditionals, in the
'argumnetation' originating from the IPCC side
of the debate.
Rubbish. The opposing arguments have been listened
to and shot down one by one. The deniers have
adjusted their argument accordingly and the only thing
they have left is "it might be some cyclic thing...",
without specifying what that might be or proposing
a mechanism.
Im a scientist. I present the premises for theSo the IPCC side fails eight out of eight listed
identifiers of pseudo science.
Only in your head.
RuneFood for thought...?
No.
In this thread I have referred numerous times toRead Svensmark's 'The Chilling Stars' to get an idea
of what kinds of mechanisms to look for: Solar radiation
governs cloud formations, which in turn reflects
heat away from Earth. Variations of solar activity
correlates with variations in climate.
Once it has been established that the sun, which
drives the whole system, also drive the climate
variations, the whole CO2 issue becomes ridiculous.
Nobody doubts that solar radiation plays a dominant role in establishingOn 12 Des, 12:22, Rune Allnor<all...@tele.ntnu.no> wrote:
Read Svensmark's 'The Chilling Stars' to get an idea
of what kinds of mechanisms to look for: Solar radiation
governs cloud formations, which in turn reflects
heat away from Earth. Variations of solar activity
correlates with variations in climate.
Once it has been established that the sun, which
drives the whole system, also drive the climate
variations, the whole CO2 issue becomes ridiculous.
In this thread I have referred numerous times to
Svensmark and his work. A quick summary can be
found here:
http://www.sciencebits.com/NothingNewUnderTheSun-III
Do note the data displayed in figure 6. Those kinds
of co-variations deserve very close scrutiony, which
is what Svensmark and his team has worked on, for the
past 15 years.
How was wound created?"Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Dec 17, 1:20 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net
wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Dec 17, 9:49 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:12:24 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
...
Penicillin has a lot of different names. The VA likes Amoxicillin.
Amoxicillin <> penicillin. Close, but they're not the same.
A gal like her, with her extensive experience with VD
would know that.
What kind of drugs are you on?
The drug of life my boy, work hard, play hard. learn fast.
I did all that, when I was young. Right now I have a seeping wound
that's over five years old in my left leg. Then I have some idiot tell
me that I should get out and jog five miles every morning, even though I
have trouble walking without a cane.
Got some bad food poisoning, that opened an old stab wound
from wretching, so I figure proton inhibitors are ok, to
get the rewound healed better.
I have almost a square foot of scar tissue on my lower legs that
constantly breaks open.
On Dec 17, 5:44 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net
wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Dec 17, 1:20 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net
wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Dec 17, 9:49 am, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:12:24 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
...
Penicillin has a lot of different names. The VA likes Amoxicillin.
Amoxicillin <> penicillin. Close, but they're not the same.
A gal like her, with her extensive experience with VD
would know that.
What kind of drugs are you on?
The drug of life my boy, work hard, play hard. learn fast.
I did all that, when I was young. Right now I have a seeping wound
that's over five years old in my left leg. Then I have some idiot tell
me that I should get out and jog five miles every morning, even though I
have trouble walking without a cane.
Got some bad food poisoning, that opened an old stab wound
from wretching, so I figure proton inhibitors are ok, to
get the rewound healed better.
I have almost a square foot of scar tissue on my lower legs that
constantly breaks open.
How was wound created?
That's the basic problem with politics today, yes.Oh yeah, PMs are known for their scientific abilities
and tendency not to make stupid claims in public.
Not.
Whhatever other differences of opinions we meght have,
here we we certainly agree.
But you *should* contemplate the fact that politicians
(including those at the UN and IPCC) lay the foundations
and framework ougt-to-be-competent scientists have to
relate to in order to recieve funding for their work.
Look up the acronyme IPCC. You might get a surprise,On Dec 18, 6:03 am, Rune Allnor <all...@tele.ntnu.no> wrote:
Oh yeah, PMs are known for their scientific abilities
and tendency not to make stupid claims in public.
Not.
Whhatever other differences of opinions we meght have,
here we we certainly agree.
But you *should* contemplate the fact that politicians
(including those at the UN and IPCC) lay the foundations
and framework ougt-to-be-competent scientists have to
relate to in order to recieve funding for their work.
That's the basic problem with politics today, yes.
It doesn't matter. Science is not about popularityGetting back to climate though, the voices of
scientists are getting through and apparently 97%
of them are saying the current climate change
is very likely to be man made.
The disadvantage is in what one does. Whateverhttps://encrypted.google.com/search?q=percent+of+scientists+climate+c....
Even if we assume a few nutters and put the
probability at 80%, 70% if you want...what's
the disadvantage to doing something about it?
Sure. But what does that have to do withRemember:
1) Oil is running out anyway. Expect prices
to go up an order of magnitude in the next
decade.
The economy is tough enough as it is, with the2) The whole "it will damage the economy"
thing is exaggerated. Besides, oil is running
out anyway.
Energy economization is a good idea, AGW or not.What do I really think? I think
1) The people are too stupid to act. They imagine
that "doing something" means driving one of those
horrible compact cars, not being able to have their
central heating set to "sauna" and not being able to
leave all their "security lights" switched on 24/7.
What it really means is things like demanding modern
nuclear power stations, but that would require educating
themselves so I'm not holding my breath.
Order who? Ordering people around has been2) The politicians are too weak to order them
into doing something.
'Don't have'? When energy becomes scarce, people3) The momentum of the energy infrastructure
is so great that turning it around at the current
rate will take three or four decades - which we
don't have.
Where do you get this from? What energy is concerned,Result: Things will go the the brink of collapse,
the world economy will be wrecked beyond repair
(national debts will have to be discarded and we'll
have to start over), and the same scientists who
we're so busy ignoring will be a) blamed, then
b) called upon to "do something", like dumping
sulfur in the atmosphere*.
Who?Then they'll be ignored again the next time around.
While energy management certainly will become a bigYeah, it's a cynical viewpoint, but looking around at
the average human's set of priorities I don't think it's
unrealistic.
[*] More... I'm fairly sure that many politicians and
people today secretly expect geoengineering to
magically/cheaply solve the problem after they've
left office so that's why they're not doing anything.
Problem with this thinking: Geoengineering doesn't
solve the looming energy crisis. When oil runs out the
global demand for electricity will double or even triple
in a single decade. There simply won't be enough of
it to go around and the result will be far worse than
starting to do something today.
How does "reducing CO2 emissions" sound?Even if we assume a few nutters and put the
probability at 80%, 70% if you want...what's
the disadvantage to doing something about it?
The disadvantage is in what one does.
Very strange that you would consider doingIf somebody decides to take physical action,
e.g. by screening sun light from heating the
earth, as some people have suggested (diffusors
or mirrors in space), the action might well be
efficient enough to reduce the sunlight
significantly. If they are wrong, and the
warming is not man-made, one might well kick
the planet into a persistent ice age.
Funny how the exact same politicians2) The politicians are too weak to order them
into doing something.
Order who? Ordering people around has been
tested, in Europe some 80 years ago. Not many
lasting successes.
This is where your 'debate' fails.While energy management certainly will become a big
issue in a few years, none of this has to do with AWG.
Expensive and unnecessary.On Dec 20, 4:14Â pm, Rune Allnor <all...@tele.ntnu.no> wrote:
Even if we assume a few nutters and put the probability at 80%, 70%
if you want...what's the disadvantage to doing something about it?
The disadvantage is in what one does.
How does "reducing CO2 emissions" sound?
Lots of things are possible but unwise.You don't seem to see that as a possibility.
If somebody decides to take physical action, e.g. by screening sun
light from heating the earth, as some people have suggested (diffusors
or mirrors in space), the action might well be efficient enough to
reduce the sunlight significantly. If they are wrong, and the warming
is not man-made, one might well kick the planet into a persistent ice
age.
Very strange that you would consider doing that before you'd consider
reducing CO2 emissions.
2) The politicians are too weak to order them into doing something.
Order who? Ordering people around has been tested, in Europe some 80
years ago. Not many lasting successes.
Funny how the exact same politicians
who can't build new-tech power stations can manage to start wars, give
trillions of dollars to bankers, raise/lower taxes at will, etc.
The problem is politics, not science. This is why I believe that nothing
will ever be done until it's to late to avoid a lot of (unnecessary)
suffering.