muddy sound

Eeyore wrote:
N_Cook wrote:

In present case due to disintegrating 40 yearold record cartridge. Is there
a more technical name for this sort of distortion like the terms cross-over,
clipping, phasing etc ?
I've heard similar muddy sound with a collapsing loudspeaker cone,
presumably due to a resonance that modulates the wanted signal.

I don't BELIEVE it !
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You are Victor Meldrew and I claim the five pounds

Ron
 
Eeyore wrote:
Ross Herbert wrote:

I have never heard the term "Grams" used anywhere in conjunction with radio or
live production.

You certainly would have in the BBC !

Indeed they still refer to the person who plays recorded music, sound
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effects etc. as the Grams Operator

Ron
 
David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 2/2/2009 9:15 PM Eeyore spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

Here, that's always just been called a "cartridge" (the "phonograph"
part being implicit) for as long as I can remember. Nobody here ever
said "pickup cartridge". The things *might* have been identified as
"phono" or "phonograph" cartridges in catalogs, but again not in common
parlance.

An old Shure box didn't help either.

It says high trackability stereo dynetic cartridge.

Yeah, but that's pure marketing-speak. I'll bet they had an interesting
explanation of what "dynetic" meant ...
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I read that as Diuretic !
 
Ron wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 2/2/2009 9:15 PM Eeyore spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

Here, that's always just been called a "cartridge" (the "phonograph"
part being implicit) for as long as I can remember. Nobody here ever
said "pickup cartridge". The things *might* have been identified as
"phono" or "phonograph" cartridges in catalogs, but again not in common
parlance.

An old Shure box didn't help either.

It says high trackability stereo dynetic cartridge.

Yeah, but that's pure marketing-speak. I'll bet they had an interesting
explanation of what "dynetic" meant ...

I read that as Diuretic !
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What a pissy joke! ;-)


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Eeyore wrote:
Ross Herbert wrote:

I have never heard the term "Grams" used anywhere in conjunction with radio or
live production.

You certainly would have in the BBC !
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No one expects anything right from the BBC.

(Cue Monty Python's 'No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!') :)

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spanish_Inquisition_(Monty_Python)>


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On 2/1/2009 11:00 PM philsvintageradios spake thus:

I wonder where that expression came from, most mud is usually very
quiet :)
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It's a visual metaphor, not an auditory one.


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On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:07:35 +0000, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

:
:
:N_Cook wrote:
:
:> Yes you never know until you burrow inside. Ground down the rivet of this
:> BSR X3M piezo element phono cartridge, about 1970. The blue rubbery
:> suspension element breaking down "doll's disease" fashion or whatever the
:> chemical process is. The same process that makes "rubber" grommets melt the
:> hard plastic of drawered storage cabinets. Anyway the surrounding hard
:> plastic "melting" and vinegar/plasticizer or whatever interfering with the
:> contact between piezo foil tails and the contacts leading out, or the goo
:> having a damping effect or both.
:
:Why the HELL would you want to examine the inside of an ultra cheap 40 y.o.
:crystal / ceramic cartridge that's probably never seen a new needle in its
:entire life ?
:

Now there's a throwback from the old Edison days.... "needle".

Perhaps you meant "stylus"?


:They ALL sounded shit btw.
:
:Graham
 
On 2/3/2009 6:59 PM Ross Herbert spake thus:

On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:07:35 +0000, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

:N_Cook wrote:
:
:> Yes you never know until you burrow inside. Ground down the rivet of this
:> BSR X3M piezo element phono cartridge, about 1970. The blue rubbery
:> suspension element breaking down "doll's disease" fashion or whatever the
:> chemical process is. The same process that makes "rubber" grommets melt the
:> hard plastic of drawered storage cabinets. Anyway the surrounding hard
:> plastic "melting" and vinegar/plasticizer or whatever interfering with the
:> contact between piezo foil tails and the contacts leading out, or the goo
:> having a damping effect or both.
:
:Why the HELL would you want to examine the inside of an ultra cheap 40 y.o.
:crystal / ceramic cartridge that's probably never seen a new needle in its
:entire life ?

Now there's a throwback from the old Edison days.... "needle".

Perhaps you meant "stylus"?
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I still call them that. No need to be anal about it.

Styli have been commonly called "needles" since forever.


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Ross Herbert wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:07:35 +0000, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

:Why the HELL would you want to examine the inside of an ultra cheap 40 y.o.
:crystal / ceramic cartridge that's probably never seen a new needle in its
:entire life ?
:

Now there's a throwback from the old Edison days.... "needle".

Perhaps you meant "stylus"?
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78 RPM records were played with either a steel needle, or a cactus
needle.


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David Nebenzahl wrote:
No need to be anal about it.



WHAT! it`s some peoples vocation in life to be anal about it!

Styli have been commonly called "needles" since forever.
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Certainly since the late mid 19th century, and people may well still ask
for a needle for their record player here.

Ron
 
In article <a-udnaLjQfEcQxTUnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@bt.com>, Ron <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote:
No need to be anal about it.



WHAT! it`s some peoples vocation in life to be anal about it!

Styli have been commonly called "needles" since forever.


Certainly since the late mid 19th century, and people may well still ask
for a needle for their record player here.

Ron
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I recall actually trying a needle on an old jukebox we used to have.
It basically used stainless needles of some size. I
can here it now, Sha Boomm Sha Booom.

greg
 
In article <gmcovu$8pk$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote:
In article <a-udnaLjQfEcQxTUnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@bt.com>, Ron
ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote:
No need to be anal about it.



WHAT! it`s some peoples vocation in life to be anal about it!

Styli have been commonly called "needles" since forever.


Certainly since the late mid 19th century, and people may well still ask
for a needle for their record player here.

Ron

I recall actually trying a needle on an old jukebox we used to have.
It basically used stainless needles of some size. I
can here it now, Sha Boomm Sha Booom.
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I can't remeber hearing that since the 60's

Hey nonny ding dong, alang alang alang
Boom ba-doh, ba-doo ba-doodle-ay

Oh, life could be a dream (sh-boom)
If I could take you up in paradise up above (sh-boom)
If you would tell me I'm the only one that you love
Life could be a dream sweetheart
(Hello hello again, sh-boom and hopin' we'll meet again
 
In article <gmcr85$99p$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote:
In article <gmcovu$8pk$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com
(GregS) wrote:
In article <a-udnaLjQfEcQxTUnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@bt.com>, Ron
ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote:
No need to be anal about it.



WHAT! it`s some peoples vocation in life to be anal about it!

Styli have been commonly called "needles" since forever.


Certainly since the late mid 19th century, and people may well still ask
for a needle for their record player here.

Ron

I recall actually trying a needle on an old jukebox we used to have.
It basically used stainless needles of some size. I
can here it now, Sha Boomm Sha Booom.

I can't remeber hearing that since the 60's

Hey nonny ding dong, alang alang alang
Boom ba-doh, ba-doo ba-doodle-ay

Oh, life could be a dream (sh-boom)
If I could take you up in paradise up above (sh-boom)
If you would tell me I'm the only one that you love
Life could be a dream sweetheart
(Hello hello again, sh-boom and hopin' we'll meet again
Click to expand...

I also had one of thos small box phonographs that had a needle (removable
by thunmscrew) very similar to the one in the Juke..

There were three songs I distincly remember from my folks
collection...
Sha Boom
Bluebury Hill
You Ain't Nothin Like a Houndog


grge
 
In article <_tudnZm1Wc8fURTUnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ross Herbert wrote:

On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:07:35 +0000, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

:Why the HELL would you want to examine the inside of an ultra cheap 40 y.o.
:crystal / ceramic cartridge that's probably never seen a new needle in its
:entire life ?
:

Now there's a throwback from the old Edison days.... "needle".

Perhaps you meant "stylus"?


78 RPM records were played with either a steel needle, or a cactus
needle.
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The crystal cartridge had a thumscrew to replace the needle. I had
a box of needles at one point. It seems like needle was the term on the box.

greg
 
GregS <zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com> wrote in message
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In article <gmcr85$99p$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote:
In article <gmcovu$8pk$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com
(GregS) wrote:
In article <a-udnaLjQfEcQxTUnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@bt.com>, Ron
ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote:
No need to be anal about it.



WHAT! it`s some peoples vocation in life to be anal about it!

Styli have been commonly called "needles" since forever.


Certainly since the late mid 19th century, and people may well still
ask
for a needle for their record player here.

Ron

I recall actually trying a needle on an old jukebox we used to have.
It basically used stainless needles of some size. I
can here it now, Sha Boomm Sha Booom.

I can't remeber hearing that since the 60's

Hey nonny ding dong, alang alang alang
Boom ba-doh, ba-doo ba-doodle-ay

Oh, life could be a dream (sh-boom)
If I could take you up in paradise up above (sh-boom)
If you would tell me I'm the only one that you love
Life could be a dream sweetheart
(Hello hello again, sh-boom and hopin' we'll meet again


I also had one of thos small box phonographs that had a needle (removable
by thunmscrew) very similar to the one in the Juke..

There were three songs I distincly remember from my folks
collection...
Sha Boom
Bluebury Hill
You Ain't Nothin Like a Houndog


grge
Click to expand...

I used to collect odd hand tools - usually ones I did not know what they
were and try and then identify them. One such, I was told , was a phonograph
needle sharpener. If anyone is interested I will try and locate it and take
a photo.


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On 2/4/2009 11:58 AM GregS spake thus:

You Ain't Nothin Like a Houndog
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I b'leeves that's "You Ain't Nothing *But* a Hounddog".


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N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
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I also had one of thos small box phonographs that had a needle
(removable
by thunmscrew) very similar to the one in the Juke..

There were three songs I distincly remember from my folks
collection...
Sha Boom
Bluebury Hill
You Ain't Nothin Like a Houndog


grge


I used to collect odd hand tools - usually ones I did not know what they
were and try and then identify them. One such, I was told , was a
phonograph
needle sharpener. If anyone is interested I will try and locate it and
take
a photo.
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dug it out

Not many cactii in Conn I would have thought. At least no one tried
sharpening a steel needle with them as the mini guillotine blade is not
nicked at all. No patent number but inscribed on the parallel jaw action

The Wade No 2 W. Schellhorn Co (E looks like a reversed C or maybe
incomplete O), Newhaven Conn.
Bernard's Pat , May 6 1890 (and manufacture ? date ) Jan 1 1901



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Ron wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Ross Herbert wrote:

I have never heard the term "Grams" used anywhere in conjunction with
radio or
live production.

You certainly would have in the BBC !

Indeed they still refer to the person who plays recorded music, sound
effects etc. as the Grams Operator

Not 'just' in the BBC - in fact anywhere professional TV is
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still made. (In my experience).

(Discounting all those terrible gambling/shopping channels
of course, where the ops probably think grams is short for
grandma :) )

To digress; Believe it or not, I freelanced at a TV studio a
while back where green room was actually painted a light
shade of green, very tasteful. It was later painted a subtle
shade of rose and you've guessed it some jumped up media
student with no experience or knowledge and too much
authority actually had the label on the door changed to
'rose room'..
 
f825_633 wrote:
Ron wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Ross Herbert wrote:

I have never heard the term "Grams" used anywhere in conjunction with
radio or
live production.

You certainly would have in the BBC !

Indeed they still refer to the person who plays recorded music, sound
effects etc. as the Grams Operator

Not 'just' in the BBC - in fact anywhere professional TV is
still made. (In my experience).
Click to expand...

Your experience is quite limited, then. I was a broadcast engineer at
three different US TV stations over a 20 year period, and have never
heard that term used. Terms like sound man, audio engineer, audio board
operator, or even the odd military term of 'Broadcaster' who could be
anything from a DJ who played records & tapes, to being an on air
'talking head' for the live AFRTS newscasts.


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