MSY targeted by ACCC

On Nov 4, 5:38 pm, atec77 <ate...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/11/2010 4:19 PM, kreed wrote:> On Nov 4, 3:02 pm, atec77<ate...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
On 4/11/2010 2:54 PM, kreed wrote:

On Nov 4, 5:31 am, "Trevor Wilson"<tre...@rage

   you do realise by answering twevy the dumbfcktroll you continue to
propagate his retarded shit across the net ?
   Perhaps trimming and ignoring is an option in his case ?

I wasnt aware that we were not supposed to be responding to posts from
Trev ?

do so if you wish but watch the patterns as he trolls and bullshite his
way across the net moving goal posts at will to suite his  silly
childish ideas  , for peace of mind ignoring it might be best to praise
the thing
"life is to short
Guns and global warming yes. Have experienced those ones first hand.



not that much else happens on here these days. It was a lot more fun
in the early 2000's

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"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8jd9t5FenkU1@mid.individual.net...
If they're doing this, they're hardly the only ones. If the ACCC are
trying to make an example of them, the fines, if any, should reflect
that (i.e. be nominal).
Nope, about time to make an example for other retailers to finally take heed
of.


It's not as if resources are unavailable to inform people of their true
rights, if they can be bothered to find out. In the real world, one only
has the rights one's willing to stand up for.
You obviously haven't tried "standing up" for your rights with many
retailers, unless you really do have unlimited time to take them all to
small claims?


The ACCC would much better spend their resources chasing those who make
misleading, or more often than not, outright false, claims about what
their product will do, which people are generally much less equipped to
form their own judgement about.
They should do both, it should not be an "either or situation". At the
moment they appear to do neither :-(

MrT.
 
On 5/11/2010 6:03 PM, Mr.T wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8jd9t5FenkU1@mid.individual.net...
If they're doing this, they're hardly the only ones. If the ACCC are
trying to make an example of them, the fines, if any, should reflect
that (i.e. be nominal).

Nope, about time to make an example for other retailers to finally take heed
of.


It's not as if resources are unavailable to inform people of their true
rights, if they can be bothered to find out. In the real world, one only
has the rights one's willing to stand up for.

You obviously haven't tried "standing up" for your rights with many
retailers, unless you really do have unlimited time to take them all to
small claims?
It rarely gets that far. You just need to show that you know what your
rights are.

The ACCC would much better spend their resources chasing those who make
misleading, or more often than not, outright false, claims about what
their product will do, which people are generally much less equipped to
form their own judgement about.

They should do both, it should not be an "either or situation". At the
moment they appear to do neither :-(
They don't have an unlimited supply of staff or money, and chasing
people requires both.

Sylvia.
 
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8jhpbdF6d4U1@mid.individual.net...
You obviously haven't tried "standing up" for your rights with many
retailers, unless you really do have unlimited time to take them all to
small claims?

It rarely gets that far. You just need to show that you know what your
rights are.
You obviously haven't tried arguing with an Asian then who has NO idea of
your rights, and cares FAR less, even assuming they can even understand
English!!!
I have many times unfortunately. Success rate is VERY low, same as most
other people I know.


They don't have an unlimited supply of staff or money, and chasing
people requires both.
Of course, that's what we pay taxes for! However simply fine the offenders
more and use the money to pay the costs, and it all becomes self funding.
They can even make a *huge* profit if they wanted too, just like they do
with traffic offences/fines. They simply choose not to bother. And don't say
the system isn't *currently* set up that way. Of course it isn't, but could
be if the wanted.

MrT.
 
On 6/11/2010 9:31 AM, Mr.T wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8jhpbdF6d4U1@mid.individual.net...
You obviously haven't tried "standing up" for your rights with many
retailers, unless you really do have unlimited time to take them all to
small claims?

It rarely gets that far. You just need to show that you know what your
rights are.

You obviously haven't tried arguing with an Asian then who has NO idea of
your rights, and cares FAR less, even assuming they can even understand
English!!!
I have many times unfortunately. Success rate is VERY low, same as most
other people I know.
If you're having this problem often enough to support your claim of
"many times", it suggests you're not choosing your suppliers very well.

They don't have an unlimited supply of staff or money, and chasing
people requires both.

Of course, that's what we pay taxes for! However simply fine the offenders
more and use the money to pay the costs, and it all becomes self funding.
They can even make a *huge* profit if they wanted too, just like they do
with traffic offences/fines. They simply choose not to bother. And don't say
the system isn't *currently* set up that way. Of course it isn't, but could
be if the wanted.
Imposing fines is not that simple. It will often involve a prosecution,
with requirements to have evidence to support proof beyond reasonable
doubt. The amount of the fine will then be determined by a court, and
may easily not cover the costs of mounting the case.

Sylvia.
 
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8jjqdgFdisU1@mid.individual.net...
If you're having this problem often enough to support your claim of
"many times", it suggests you're not choosing your suppliers very well.
Well we can't all be clairvoyant. It would help if the Consumer Affairs and
DFT did a better job.


Imposing fines is not that simple. It will often involve a prosecution,
with requirements to have evidence to support proof beyond reasonable
doubt.
What a magistrate determines is sufficient evidence is often the same as
most other peoples "reasonable doubt".


The amount of the fine will then be determined by a court, and
may easily not cover the costs of mounting the case.
Rubbish, the courts are well trained in what is expected of them with
traffic fines, plenty of revenue is made there. It's simply a lack of will
on the part of governments.

MrT.
 
On Nov 6, 11:47 am, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
On 6/11/2010 9:31 AM, Mr.T wrote:

"Sylvia Else"<syl...@not.here.invalid>  wrote in message
news:8jhpbdF6d4U1@mid.individual.net...
You obviously haven't tried "standing up" for your rights with many
retailers, unless you really do have unlimited time to take them all to
small claims?

It rarely gets that far. You just need to show that you know what your
rights are.

You obviously haven't tried arguing with an Asian then who has NO idea of
your rights, and cares FAR less, even assuming they can even understand
English!!!
I have many times unfortunately. Success rate is VERY low, same as most
other people I know.

If you're having this problem often enough to support your claim of
"many times", it suggests you're not choosing your suppliers very well.



They don't have an unlimited supply of staff or money, and chasing
people requires both.

Of course, that's what we pay taxes for! However simply fine the offenders
more and use the money to pay the costs, and it all becomes self funding.
They can even make a *huge* profit if they wanted too, just like they do
with traffic offences/fines. They simply choose not to bother. And don't say
the system isn't *currently* set up that way. Of course it isn't, but could
be if the wanted.

Imposing fines is not that simple. It will often involve a prosecution,
with requirements to have evidence to support proof beyond reasonable
doubt. The amount of the fine will then be determined by a court, and
may easily not cover the costs of mounting the case.

Sylvia.
While that might sound fine in theory - it doesn't work that way in
the real world.
 

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