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Nope, he hasn't a clue about the implications of wire size, much lessOn Dec 27, 12:00Â am, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The government must play some role in rural electrification and even
Maybe the government could pass a Rural Electrification Act and form a
Rural Electrification Admininstration.
Oh, wait, they did that in 1939 and 1935 respectively.
Since 98% of all farms in the US had electric service by the early 1970's,
the REA was abolished in 1994 and replaced with the Rural Utilities Service.
We're talking 200 kW in a remote field, not 2 kW at a farmhouse which
might even be in a town.
Bret Cahill
You put your finger on one of the many problems of using electric
powered farm tractors and such. Figure the wire size needed for a
150 hp. tractor, three phase 480 VAC and 2600 feet from the power
source. Somewhere around 165 amps would be about right. Imagine
moving that around in a field or from field to field.
You put your finger on one of the many problems of using electricThe government must play some role in rural electrification and even
Maybe the government could pass a Rural Electrification Act and form a
Rural Electrification Admininstration.
Oh, wait, they did that in 1939 and 1935 respectively.
Since 98% of all farms in the US had electric service by the early 1970's,
the REA was abolished in 1994 and replaced with the Rural Utilities Service.
We're talking 200 kW in a remote field, not 2 kW at a farmhouse which
might even be in a town.
Bret Cahill
The government must play some role in rural electrification and even
Maybe the government could pass a Rural Electrification Act and form a
Rural Electrification Admininstration.
Oh, wait, they did that in 1939 and 1935 respectively.
Since 98% of all farms in the US had electric service by the early 1970's,
the REA was abolished in 1994 and replaced with the Rural Utilities Service.
We're talking 200 kW in a remote field, not 2 kW at a farmhouse which
might even be in a town.
Bret Cahill
You put your finger on one of the many problems of using electric
powered farm tractors and such. Figure the wire size needed for a
150 hp. tractor, three phase 480 VAC and 2600 feet from the power
source. Somewhere around 165 amps would be about right. Imagine
moving that around in a field or from field to field.
We have irrigation wells in my area using commercial power. Most,
if not all, are on interruptible service. The power company can
start and stop them depending on total load they have. A lot of
wells are shut off during the day and early evening due too the high
power requirements from all the air conditioners running. Most of the
wells are 60 or 75 hp. A very few are 100 hp.
Yeah, a spool about 10 feet in diameter and "easily" depends on how muchThe government must play some role in rural electrification and even
Maybe the government could pass a Rural Electrification Act and form a
Rural Electrification Admininstration.
Oh, wait, they did that in 1939 and 1935 respectively.
Since 98% of all farms in the US had electric service by the early 1970's,
the REA was abolished in 1994 and replaced with the Rural Utilities Service.
We're talking 200 kW in a remote field, not 2 kW at a farmhouse which
might even be in a town.
Bret Cahill
  You put your finger on one of the many problems of using electric
powered farm tractors and such. Â Â Figure the wire size needed for a
150 hp. tractor, Â three phase 480 VAC and 2600 feet from the power
source. Â Â Somewhere around 165 amps would be about right. Â Imagine
moving that around in a field or from field to field.
Easily rolled up on a spool.
And no one in their right mind will because unless you either run distilled  We have irrigation wells in my area using commercial power.  Most,
if not all, are on interruptible service. Â The power company can
start and stop them depending on total load they have. Â Â A lot of
wells are shut off during the day and early evening due too the high
power requirements from all the air conditioners running. Â Most of the
wells are 60 or 75 hp. Â A very few are 100 hp.
Sounds pretty good. Here all pumps are on diesel.
What's even more screwed up is we have about 4500 degree days/year
here in the valley. Everyone is always moaning about ac costs and the
utility about peak power. Ducting a swamp cooler to the ac condenser
would pay for itself in a couple of months:
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp;jsessionid=FEE570CC7C2FFE990852B3D8DF8B0A5F?purl=/6777032-yRYERj/
Not one single person has done this here.
Easily rolled up on a spool.The government must play some role in rural electrification and even
Maybe the government could pass a Rural Electrification Act and form a
Rural Electrification Admininstration.
Oh, wait, they did that in 1939 and 1935 respectively.
Since 98% of all farms in the US had electric service by the early 1970's,
the REA was abolished in 1994 and replaced with the Rural Utilities Service.
We're talking 200 kW in a remote field, not 2 kW at a farmhouse which
might even be in a town.
Bret Cahill
You put your finger on one of the many problems of using electric
powered farm tractors and such. Figure the wire size needed for a
150 hp. tractor, three phase 480 VAC and 2600 feet from the power
source. Somewhere around 165 amps would be about right. Imagine
moving that around in a field or from field to field.
Sounds pretty good. Here all pumps are on diesel.We have irrigation wells in my area using commercial power. Most,
if not all, are on interruptible service. The power company can
start and stop them depending on total load they have. A lot of
wells are shut off during the day and early evening due too the high
power requirements from all the air conditioners running. Most of the
wells are 60 or 75 hp. A very few are 100 hp.
That's about the size of the tires on your 500 kW tractors.The government must play some role in rural electrification and even
Maybe the government could pass a Rural Electrification Act and form a
Rural Electrification Admininstration.
Oh, wait, they did that in 1939 and 1935 respectively.
Since 98% of all farms in the US had electric service by the early 1970's,
the REA was abolished in 1994 and replaced with the Rural Utilities Service.
We're talking 200 kW in a remote field, not 2 kW at a farmhouse which
might even be in a town.
Bret Cahill
You put your finger on one of the many problems of using electric
powered farm tractors and such. Figure the wire size needed for a
150 hp. tractor, three phase 480 VAC and 2600 feet from the power
source. Somewhere around 165 amps would be about right. Imagine
moving that around in a field or from field to field.
Easily rolled up on a spool.
Yeah, a spool about 10 feet in diameter
Everything is done with rental equipment and/or by service companiesand "easily" depends on how much
equipment you have.
Half the buildings in S. Arizona are swamp cooled with extremely hardWe have irrigation wells in my area using commercial power. Most,
if not all, are on interruptible service. The power company can
start and stop them depending on total load they have. A lot of
wells are shut off during the day and early evening due too the high
power requirements from all the air conditioners running. Most of the
wells are 60 or 75 hp. A very few are 100 hp.
Sounds pretty good. Here all pumps are on diesel.
What's even more screwed up is we have about 4500 degree days/year
here in the valley. Everyone is always moaning about ac costs and the
utility about peak power. Ducting a swamp cooler to the ac condenser
would pay for itself in a couple of months:
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp;jsessionid=FEE570CC7C2FFE99....
Not one single person has done this here.
And no one in their right mind will because unless you either run distilled
water in the swamp cooler
Hey, stoopid, 100% r. h. air never leaves a well designed swampor go through some heroic effort to prevent it,
Contact them researchers at Berkeley and tell them about yourthe A/C heat exchanger gets a giant crust of mineral deposits rather
quickly and the efficiency goes to hell.
Yep.Easily rolled up on a spool.
Yeah, a spool about 10 feet in diameter
That's about the size of the tires on your 500 kW tractors.
Irrelevant to the subject at hand, i.e. how "easy" it is to rool up aand "easily" depends on how much
equipment you have.
Everything is done with rental equipment and/or by service companies
nowadays.
Yep, but the swamp coolers aren't feeding an A/C, which is what was beingHalf the buildings in S. Arizona are swamp cooled with extremely hard
well water.
Irrelevant to the subject at hand.Hey, stoopid, 100% r. h. air never leaves a well designed swamp
cooler.
Nope, and you do know that when you fire up the tractor engine to move theEasily rolled up on a spool.
Yeah, a spool about 10 feet in diameter
That's about the size of the tires on your 500 kW tractors.
Yep.
You ain't flip floppin' on them 500kW tractors is ya?
Nope, the subject was how "easy" it is to roll up a big, heavy length ofand "easily" depends on how much
equipment you have.
Everything is done with rental equipment and/or by service companies
nowadays.
Irrelevant to the subject at hand
The subject is equipment to move a roll of wire.
You seem to have great difficulty comprehending that nobody is going toYou seem to have great difficulty comprehending that it is possible to
rent equipment to move a roll of wire.
It must be painful to be as ignorant of the real world as you are.It must be painful to be a stoopid as you.
In light of the fact that that is what you were talking out of your assHalf the buildings in S. Arizona are swamp cooled with extremely hard
well water.
Yep, but the swamp coolers aren't feeding an A/C,
What difference would that make?
You ain't flip floppin' on them 500kW tractors is ya?Easily rolled up on a spool.
Yeah, a spool about 10 feet in diameter
That's about the size of the tires on your 500 kW tractors.
Yep.
The subject is equipment to move a roll of wire.and "easily" depends on how much
equipment you have.
Everything is done with rental equipment and/or by service companies
nowadays.
Irrelevant to the subject at hand
What difference would that make?Half the buildings in S. Arizona are swamp cooled with extremely hard
well water.
Yep, but the swamp coolers aren't feeding an A/C,
Where are these mineral deposits coming from and how do the get on theWe have irrigation wells in my area using commercial power. Most,
if not all, are on interruptible service. The power company can
start and stop them depending on total load they have. A lot of
wells are shut off during the day and early evening due too the high
power requirements from all the air conditioners running. Most of the
wells are 60 or 75 hp. A very few are 100 hp.
Sounds pretty good. Here all pumps are on diesel.
What's even more screwed up is we have about 4500 degree days/year
here in the valley. Everyone is always moaning about ac costs and the
utility about peak power. Ducting a swamp cooler to the ac condenser
would pay for itself in a couple of months:
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp;jsessionid=FEE570CC7C2FFE99....
Not one single person has done this here.
And no one in their right mind will because unless you either run distilled
water in the swamp cooler or go through some heroic effort to prevent it,
the A/C heat exchanger gets a giant crust of mineral deposits rather
quickly and the efficiency goes to hell.
Good!Easily rolled up on a spool.
Yeah, a spool about 10 feet in diameter
That's about the size of the tires on your 500 kW tractors.
Yep.
You ain't flip floppin' on them 500kW tractors is ya?
Nope,
Couldn't it be electric?and you do know that when you fire up the tractor engine
Looks like someone did some plannin'!to move the
tractor the tires move with it,
Did you flunk the course on loadin' a spool of wire onto a wagon?unlike your giant wire spool?
You openly admit that confuses yer weedle noggin'?and "easily" depends on how much
equipment you have.
Everything is done with rental equipment and/or by service companies
nowadays.
Irrelevant to the subject at hand
The subject is equipment to move a roll of wire.
Nope, the subject was how "easy" it is to roll up a big, heavy length of
wire
Or have an IQ above single digits.then how "easy" it was to move it somewhere else.
Just about everything is "easy" if you throw enough money at the problem,
Everyone _already_ rents and outsources everything.You seem to have great difficulty comprehending that it is possible to
rent equipment to move a roll of wire.
You seem to have great difficulty comprehending that nobody is going to
want to have to rent equiment
.. . . that you don't have a clue of how a swamp cooler can foul an acHalf the buildings in S. Arizona are swamp cooled with extremely hard
well water.
Yep, but the swamp coolers aren't feeding an A/C,
What difference would that make?
In light of the fact that
Who cares?Easily rolled up on a spool.
Yeah, a spool about 10 feet in diameter
That's about the size of the tires on your 500 kW tractors.
Yep.
You ain't flip floppin' on them 500kW tractors is ya?
Nope,
Good!
and you do know that when you fire up the tractor engine
Couldn't it be electric?
Yeah, the tires usually go along with the vehicle.to move the
tractor the tires move with it,
Looks like someone did some plannin'!
What wagon?unlike your giant wire spool?
Did you flunk the course on loadin' a spool of wire onto a wagon?
If not you can sue to get your tuition money back.
Not at all as I have been involved with both rolling up and unrolling hugeand "easily" depends on how much
equipment you have.
Everything is done with rental equipment and/or by service companies
nowadays.
Irrelevant to the subject at hand
The subject is equipment to move a roll of wire.
Nope, the subject was how "easy" it is to roll up a big, heavy length of
wire
You openly admit that confuses yer weedle noggin'?
Well, I guess that leaves you out.then how "easy" it was to move it somewhere else.
Just about everything is "easy" if you throw enough money at the problem,
Or have an IQ above single digits.
Not if they don't have to fool.. . .
You seem to have great difficulty comprehending that it is possible to
rent equipment to move a roll of wire.
You seem to have great difficulty comprehending that nobody is going to
want to have to rent equiment
Everyone _already_ rents and outsources everything.
Are you talking to yourself?Half the buildings in S. Arizona are swamp cooled with extremely hard
well water.
Yep, but the swamp coolers aren't feeding an A/C,
What difference would that make?
In light of the fact that
. . . that you don't have a clue of how a swamp cooler can foul an ac
condenser.
You must have an IQ above 0 digits!to move the
tractor the tires move with it,
Looks like someone did some plannin'!
Yeah, the tires usually go along with the vehicle.
Sue. It's an easy small claims case.unlike your giant wire spool?
Did you flunk the course on loadin' a spool of wire onto a wagon?
If not you can sue to get your tuition money back.
What wagon?
Then there ain't no problem.Nope, the subject was how "easy" it is to roll up a big, heavy length of
wire
You openly admit that confuses yer weedle noggin'?
Not at all
Don't be envious.Just about everything is "easy" if you throw enough money at the problem,
Or have an IQ above single digits.
Well,
Here, we'll try again:You seem to have great difficulty comprehending that it is possible to
rent equipment to move a roll of wire.
You seem to have great difficulty comprehending that nobody is going to
want to have to rent equiment
Everyone _already_ rents and outsources everything.
Not if they don't have to
It must hurt to be as doogie poopie stoopid as you.In light of the fact that
. . . that you don't have a clue of how a swamp cooler can foul an ac
condenser.
Are you
What wagon?to move the
tractor the tires move with it,
Looks like someone did some plannin'!
Yeah, the tires usually go along with the vehicle.
You must have an IQ above 0 digits!
Ya think you could plan to put a reel on a wagon?
It only took you 7 days to come up with this childish response?to move the
tractor the tires move with it,
Looks like someone did some plannin'!
Yeah, the tires usually go along with the vehicle.
You must have an IQ above 0 digits!
Ya think you could plan to put a reel on a wagon?
What wagon?
The Wagon.
Where did this wagon come from?
From a Saudi charity.
First we were discussing farm equipment and now you
are discussin' wagons.
It's hurtin' yer weedle noggin'.
Bret Cahill
The Wagon.to move the
tractor the tires move with it,
Looks like someone did some plannin'!
Yeah, the tires usually go along with the vehicle.
You must have an IQ above 0 digits!
Ya think you could plan to put a reel on a wagon?
What wagon?
From a Saudi charity.Where did this wagon come from?
are discussin' wagons.First we were discussing farm equipment and now you
coming to?to move the
tractor the tires move with it,
Looks like someone did some plannin'!
Yeah, the tires usually go along with the vehicle.
You must have an IQ above 0 digits!
Ya think you could plan to put a reel on a wagon?
What wagon?
The Wagon.
Where did this wagon come from?
From a Saudi charity.
First we were discussing farm equipment and now you
are discussin' wagons.
It's hurtin' yer weedle noggin'.
Bret Cahill
Farmers dont use wagons anymore??? Tss.. what is this world
So many rightard idiots.to move the
tractor the tires move with it,
Looks like someone did some plannin'!
Yeah, the tires usually go along with the vehicle.
You must have an IQ above 0 digits!
Ya think you could plan to put a reel on a wagon?
What wagon?
The Wagon.
Where did this wagon come from?
From a Saudi charity.
First we were discussing farm equipment and now you
are discussin' wagons.
It's hurtin' yer weedle noggin'.
Bret Cahill
It only took you 7 days
No, I'm taunting you.
By being dumber than a stump?
Are you this stoopid in real life or are you just pulling our legs?