Most Realistic Solution To Farm Electrification

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Bret Cahill

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Instead of trolly wiring the entire field only one or 2 conductors
need to be located at each edge of a field, permanent or portable.

A slotted insulator keeps the last leg of the system, the wire to the
tractor, just off the ground.

The tractor starts off each row with the slotted insulator wire on the
plowed side. On each pass a pulley on the tractor lifts the slotted
insulator wire off the ground, over the tractor and over to the
unplowed side of the tractor for the next pass.

Most farm operations aren't on wet ground so the fins or other slotted
insulation geometry would not need to extend more than a few inches.

The wires at the end of the field could be conventional and suspended
on poles or lay on the ground using the same slotted insulation wire.


Bret Cahill
 
what would be the effect upon plant growth?

ever seen PAYeoman's _Water for Every Farm_?

Europe is Western Asia, but yes, it could
be that wintertime record coolth
is an aspect of "global" warming. what I have said for years,
though -- having studied it since about '82 or so --
is that global warming is an oxymoron, a nonsequiter, or
a misnomer, based upon a lackadaisical interpretation
of Ahrrenius's 1896 coinage of Glass House Gasses,
without ever bothering to model a particular glass house
at a particular lattitude. and,
it is really just a)
computerized simulacra, and b)
extremely selective reporting -- "look;
a big berg just calved off of the Ross Ice Shelf!..." big God-am deal.
 
On 10-12-26 10:05 AM, Bret Cahill wrote:

Instead of trolly wiring the entire field only one or 2 conductors
need to be located at each edge of a field, permanent or portable.
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Our definitions of 'realistic' are at odds.





mike
 
Rich Grise wrote:

Bret Cahill wrote:

Most farm operations aren't on wet ground ...


If the ground isn't wet, how do crops grow?

Thanks,
Rich

Magic dust
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jamie
 
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:05:29 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
<Bret_E_Cahill@yahoo.com> wrote:

Instead of trolly wiring the entire field only one or 2 conductors
need to be located at each edge of a field, permanent or portable.

A slotted insulator keeps the last leg of the system, the wire to the
tractor, just off the ground.

The tractor starts off each row with the slotted insulator wire on the
plowed side. On each pass a pulley on the tractor lifts the slotted
insulator wire off the ground, over the tractor and over to the
unplowed side of the tractor for the next pass.

Most farm operations aren't on wet ground so the fins or other slotted
insulation geometry would not need to extend more than a few inches.

The wires at the end of the field could be conventional and suspended
on poles or lay on the ground using the same slotted insulation wire.


Bret Cahill
Click to expand...
I forgot which forum I saw the link on, maybe the theoildrum.com

But the design entailed a 6-15ft high suspended wheeled beam with a
detachable central pivot mechanism, current design is sized for 1/2
acre circular fields.. Irrigation water can be supplied via the
central pivots. Two pairs of outer wheels track over the same
compacted soil just outside of central growing area. Unit can plow,
sow, harvest, irrigate, etc, crops laid out in a spirals. (It has
a movable working head(s) that can be positioned dynamically like a
ink jet printer/plotter head.)

Solar powered a possibility (lot's of un-used surface area on top of
triangular beams). When it's done, it can detach from center pivot
and move onto an adjacent circular field. One of these machines can
replace tractor, and service dozens of acre sized fields.
 
On Dec 26, 6:13 pm, Rich Grise <ri...@example.net.invalid> wrote:
Bret Cahill wrote:

Most farm operations aren't on wet ground ...

If the ground isn't wet, how do crops grow?

Thanks,
Rich
Click to expand...
Ř there is a distinct difference between wet and moist
 
On Dec 26, 6:49 pm, T. Keating <tkuse...@ktcnslt.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:05:29 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill



Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Instead of trolly wiring the entire field only one or 2 conductors
need to be located at each edge of a field, permanent or portable.

A slotted insulator keeps the last leg of the system, the wire to the
tractor, just off the ground.

The tractor starts off each row with the slotted insulator wire on the
plowed side.  On each pass a pulley on the tractor lifts the slotted
insulator wire off the ground, over the tractor and over to the
unplowed side of the tractor for the next pass.

Most farm operations aren't on wet ground so the fins or other slotted
insulation geometry would not need to extend more than a few inches.

The wires at the end of the field could be conventional and suspended
on poles or lay on the ground using the same slotted insulation wire.

Bret Cahill

 I forgot which forum I saw the link on, maybe the theoildrum.com

  But the design entailed a 6-15ft high suspended wheeled beam with a
detachable central pivot mechanism, current design is sized for 1/2
acre circular fields..  Irrigation water can be supplied via the
central pivots.  Two pairs of outer wheels track over the same
compacted soil just outside of central growing area.  Unit can plow,
sow, harvest, irrigate, etc, crops laid out in a spirals.     (It has
a movable working head(s) that can be positioned dynamically like a
ink jet printer/plotter head.)

Solar powered a possibility (lot's of un-used surface area on top of
triangular beams).   When it's done, it can detach from center pivot
and move onto an adjacent circular field.  One of these machines can
replace tractor, and service dozens of acre sized fields.
Click to expand...
ø Outragious idiocy even coming from Keating and Cahill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis

Photosynthesis a process that converts carbon
dioxide into organic compounds, especially sugars,
using the energy from sunlight.[1]

Photosynthesis occurs in plants, algae, and many
species of Bacteria. Photosynthetic organisms are
called photoautotrophs, since it allows them to
create their own food.

In plants, algae and cyanobacteria, photosynthesis
uses carbon dioxide and water, releasing oxygen as
a waste product.

Photosynthesis (CO2) is vital for life on Earth.

As well as maintaining the normal level of oxygen in
the atmosphere, nearly all life either depends on it
directly as a source of energy, or indirectly as the
ultimate source of the energy in their food.[β][2]

The amount of energy trapped by photosynthesis is
immense, approximately 100 terawatts:[3] which is
about six times larger than the power consumption
of human civilization.[4]

As well as energy, photosynthesis is also the source
of the carbon in all the organic compounds within
organisms' bodies. In all, photosynthetic organisms
ĂĽĂĽconvert around 100,000,000,000 tonnes of carbon
into biomass per year.[5]

Photosynthesis evolved early in the evolutionary
history of life, when all forms of life on Earth were
microorganisms and the atmosphere had much more
carbon dioxide. The first photosynthetic organisms
probably evolved about 3,500 million years ago, and
used hydrogen or hydrogen sulfide as sources of
electrons, rather than water.[6]

Cyanobacteria appeared later, around 3,000 million
years ago, and changed the Earth forever when they
began to oxygenate the atmosphere, beginning
about 2,400 million years ago.[7]

This new atmosphere allowed the evolution of
complex life such as protists. Eventually, about 550
million years ago, one of these protists formed a
symbiotic relationship with a cyanobacterium,
producing the ancestor of the plants and algae.[8]

The chloroplasts in modern plants are the
descendants of these ancient symbiotic cyanobacteria.

2n CO2 + 2n H2O + photons → 2(CH2O)n + 2n O2
carbon dioxide + water + light energy → carbohydrate + oxygen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis

— —
Tyndall was the first to correctly measure the
infrared absorptive powers of the gases nitrogen,
oxygen, water vapour, carbon dioxide, ozone,
methane, etc. He concluded that water vapour is
the strongest absorber of radiant heat in the
atmosphere and is the principal gas controlling air
temperature. Absorption by the bulk of the other
gases is negligible.

Absorption_by_the_bulk_of_the_other_gases_is_negligible.
 
Instead of trolly wiring the entire field only one or 2 conductors
need to be located at each edge of a field, permanent or portable.

A slotted insulator keeps the last leg of the system, the wire to the
tractor, just off the ground.

The tractor starts off each row with the slotted insulator wire on the
plowed side.  On each pass a pulley on the tractor lifts the slotted
insulator wire off the ground, over the tractor and over to the
unplowed side of the tractor for the next pass.

Most farm operations aren't on wet ground so the fins or other slotted
insulation geometry would not need to extend more than a few inches.

The wires at the end of the field could be conventional and suspended
on poles or lay on the ground using the same slotted insulation wire.

Bret Cahill

 I forgot which forum I saw the link on, maybe the theoildrum.com

  But the design entailed a 6-15ft high suspended wheeled beam with a
detachable central pivot mechanism, current design is sized for 1/2
acre circular fields..  Irrigation water can be supplied via the
central pivots.  Two pairs of outer wheels track over the same
compacted soil just outside of central growing area.  Unit can plow,
sow, harvest, irrigate, etc, crops laid out in a spirals.     (It has
a movable working head(s) that can be positioned dynamically like a
ink jet printer/plotter head.)

Solar powered a possibility (lot's of un-used surface area on top of
triangular beams).   When it's done, it can detach from center pivot
and move onto an adjacent circular field.  One of these machines can
replace tractor, and service dozens of acre sized fields.
Click to expand...
A "super pivot" would be cost effective too but this would provide an
electrification opportunity at very low capital costs.


Bret Cahill
 
Most farm operations aren't on wet ground ...

If the ground isn't wet, how do crops grow?
Click to expand...
Obviously not during the plowing planting and harvesting operations.

Are you this stoopid in real life or are you just pulling our legs?


Bret Cahill
 
On Dec 26, 5:49 pm, T. Keating <tkuse...@ktcnslt.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:05:29 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill





Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Instead of trolly wiring the entire field only one or 2 conductors
need to be located at each edge of a field, permanent or portable.

A slotted insulator keeps the last leg of the system, the wire to the
tractor, just off the ground.

The tractor starts off each row with the slotted insulator wire on the
plowed side.  On each pass a pulley on the tractor lifts the slotted
insulator wire off the ground, over the tractor and over to the
unplowed side of the tractor for the next pass.

Most farm operations aren't on wet ground so the fins or other slotted
insulation geometry would not need to extend more than a few inches.

The wires at the end of the field could be conventional and suspended
on poles or lay on the ground using the same slotted insulation wire.

Bret Cahill

 I forgot which forum I saw the link on, maybe the theoildrum.com

  But the design entailed a 6-15ft high suspended wheeled beam with a
detachable central pivot mechanism, current design is sized for 1/2
acre circular fields..  Irrigation water can be supplied via the
central pivots.  Two pairs of outer wheels track over the same
compacted soil just outside of central growing area.  Unit can plow,
sow, harvest, irrigate, etc, crops laid out in a spirals.     (It has
a movable working head(s) that can be positioned dynamically like a
ink jet printer/plotter head.)

Solar powered a possibility (lot's of un-used surface area on top of
triangular beams).   When it's done, it can detach from center pivot
and move onto an adjacent circular field.  One of these machines can
replace tractor, and service dozens of acre sized fields.
Click to expand...
For perspective, the average size farm in my area of southeast
Nebraska is over 500 acres. The wheat farms in the southwest part
and the Panhandle are probably over 2000 acres. There are a lot of
places where there are no power lines.
 
Instead of trolly wiring the entire field only one or 2 conductors
need to be located at each edge of a field, permanent or portable.

A slotted insulator keeps the last leg of the system, the wire to the
tractor, just off the ground.

The tractor starts off each row with the slotted insulator wire on the
plowed side.  On each pass a pulley on the tractor lifts the slotted
insulator wire off the ground, over the tractor and over to the
unplowed side of the tractor for the next pass.

Most farm operations aren't on wet ground so the fins or other slotted
insulation geometry would not need to extend more than a few inches.

The wires at the end of the field could be conventional and suspended
on poles or lay on the ground using the same slotted insulation wire.

Bret Cahill

 I forgot which forum I saw the link on, maybe the theoildrum.com

  But the design entailed a 6-15ft high suspended wheeled beam with a
detachable central pivot mechanism, current design is sized for 1/2
acre circular fields..  Irrigation water can be supplied via the
central pivots.  Two pairs of outer wheels track over the same
compacted soil just outside of central growing area.  Unit can plow,
sow, harvest, irrigate, etc, crops laid out in a spirals.     (It has
a movable working head(s) that can be positioned dynamically like a
ink jet printer/plotter head.)

Solar powered a possibility (lot's of un-used surface area on top of
triangular beams).   When it's done, it can detach from center pivot
and move onto an adjacent circular field.  One of these machines can
replace tractor, and service dozens of acre sized fields.

     For perspective,   the average size farm in my area of southeast
Nebraska is over 500 acres.     The wheat farms in the southwest part
and the Panhandle are probably over 2000 acres.    There are a lot of
places where there are no power lines.
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There's no question it is daunting.

The government must play some role in rural electrification and even
then every field or crop might not be cost effective on grid power.
There are a lots of problems to be solved and therefore lots of
opportunities.

As Buffet said, the secret to success is being open minded and
optimistic.

He was addressing the intelligent but too cynical people who could
make a difference if they took his advice. The assumption, of course,
was the idiots won't matter either way.


Bret Cahill


"If I belonged to the latter group I would not have written this book
but would have deplored in secret the future of man . . ."

-- Tocqueville
 
Bret Cahill wrote:
His usual bullshit.


The REA was the"Most Realistic Solution To Farm Electrification".


--
For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off
scientist!!!
 
In sci.physics Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cahill@yahoo.com>, from deep in his bunker
where no trace of the real world seeps in, wrote:

The government must play some role in rural electrification and even
Click to expand...
Maybe the government could pass a Rural Electrification Act and form a
Rural Electrification Admininstration.

Oh, wait, they did that in 1939 and 1935 respectively.

Since 98% of all farms in the US had electric service by the early 1970's,
the REA was abolished in 1994 and replaced with the Rural Utilities Service.


--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.
 
The government must play some role in rural electrification and even

Maybe the government could pass a Rural Electrification Act and form a
Rural Electrification Admininstration.

Oh, wait, they did that in 1939 and 1935 respectively.

Since 98% of all farms in the US had electric service by the early 1970's,
the REA was abolished in 1994 and replaced with the Rural Utilities Service.
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We're talking 200 kW in a remote field, not 2 kW at a farmhouse which
might even be in a town.


Bret Cahill
 
Bret Cahill wrote:

Most farm operations aren't on wet ground ...

If the ground isn't wet, how do crops grow?

Obviously not during the plowing planting and harvesting operations.

Are you this stoopid in real life or are you just pulling our legs?

No, I'm taunting you.
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Hope This Helps!
Rich
 
In sci.physics Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cahill@yahoo.com> wrote:
The government must play some role in rural electrification and even

Maybe the government could pass a Rural Electrification Act and form a
Rural Electrification Admininstration.

Oh, wait, they did that in 1939 and 1935 respectively.

Since 98% of all farms in the US had electric service by the early 1970's,
the REA was abolished in 1994 and replaced with the Rural Utilities Service.

We're talking 200 kW in a remote field, not 2 kW at a farmhouse which
might even be in a town.
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Who is this "we" other than perhaps the voices in your head?

And just what practical use is this "200 kW in a remote field"?

Let me guess, you think the only machinery on a farm is the tractor and
electric tractors are going to magically appear for free.


--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.
 
Most farm operations aren't on wet ground ...

If the ground isn't wet, how do crops grow?

Obviously not during the plowing planting and harvesting operations.

Are you this stoopid in real life or are you just pulling our legs?

No, I'm taunting you.
Click to expand...
By being dumber than a stump?

Are you this stoopid in real life or are you just pulling our legs?


Bret Cahill
 
In sci.physics Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cahill@yahoo.com> wrote:
The government must play some role in rural electrification and even

Maybe the government could pass a Rural Electrification Act and form a
Rural Electrification Admininstration.

Oh, wait, they did that in 1939 and 1935 respectively.

Since 98% of all farms in the US had electric service by the early 1970's,
the REA was abolished in 1994 and replaced with the Rural Utilities Service.

We're talking 200 kW in a remote field, not 2 kW at a farmhouse which
might even be in a town.

Who is this "we"

To be sure, idiots like you weren't included. You were taling FIVE
hundred kW/tractor.
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Yep, in round numbers, or close to 600 HP again in round numbers, which
means a large, commercial, farm machine, not a garden tractor.

So make it a 250 kW machine, which isn't really all that big these days
and keep in mind a real farm has lots of diffenent machines.

The John Deere 9000 series tractors run from 310 HP to 543 HP and
harvesters run around 200 HP.

Since that is engine HP out, it doesn't matter whether the fuel is diesel
at about 35% efficiency or electricity at around 85% efficiency, it is
still HP out which means you have to have at least that many HP in.



--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.
 
The government must play some role in rural electrification and even

Maybe the government could pass a Rural Electrification Act and form a
Rural Electrification Admininstration.

Oh, wait, they did that in 1939 and 1935 respectively.

Since 98% of all farms in the US had electric service by the early 1970's,
the REA was abolished in 1994 and replaced with the Rural Utilities Service.

We're talking 200 kW in a remote field, not 2 kW at a farmhouse which
might even be in a town.

Who is this "we"
Click to expand...
To be sure, idiots like you weren't included. You were taling FIVE
hundred kW/tractor.


Bret Cahill
 
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