Mobile phone signal

[Rod Speed]

Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
Mike Harding <mike_harding@fastmail.fm> desperatey attempted
to bullshit its way out of its predicament wrote in message
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and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.

 

[Mike Harding]

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:05:59 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Doesn't know again - as I suspected.

Funny how so many of Rod's answers are of the ilk of:
"It's much more complicated than that"
but he never explains the complication - I think he
usually doesn't know.

And he always trims posts ONLY when he's uncomfortable
with the response - so this should create a dilemma

Mike Harding

 

[Rod Speed]

Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
Mike Harding <mike_harding@fastmail.fm> desperately attempted
to bullshit its way out of its predicament wrote in message
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and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.

 

[John Hopgood]

I've ended up doing just that.

At the moment Telstra have a Nokia 2112 for $129 on prepaid and
recharges are being credited with double the time. So for $159, I
bought a CDMA phone with 12 months use and $70 in credits.

It's only a dinky little thing but at least gives me 1 - 3 bars.
During the drive back from the property to suburbia, the cdma never
went over 4 bars but also never dropped out. My Optus dipped in and
out from full strength to zero.

Thanks for your input guys.

Regards.......John

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:10:57 +1030, John Hopgood <hopjohn@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Thanks Ralp and to all the other replies.

Yes I'm thinking that might also have to be the solution.

I've only got 12 months left on my contract so it might be the
cheapest option to get one of the cdma prepaid cheapies.

I've got a nokia 7210 and it doesn't have an external aerial socket.

Is it a possibility to open the phone up and add an external aerial
socket myself? Anyone done this?

Regards.......John





On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:53:50 +1100, "Ralph"
Ralph.Smith2@team4.telstra6.com> wrote:

I had the same problem.
I got my wife a CDMA and redirect my GSM calls to her phone when in a bad
service area. Probably not a good idea if you get a lot of calls. I kept my
GSM for roaming overseas, otherwise I would have swapped over.

You could also try an external aerial, if applicable to your phone.

 

[Mark]

I also had a similar problem to John.

Originally using a Nokia 1100 GSM 'phone, I changed
over to a Nokia 2280 CDMA The locations where the
dropouts were before have gone but the peak signal
strength in the area is about 1 to 2 "bars" lower.

Generally too, the peaks & troughs in the signal have been
considerably reduced with the middle region signal
strengths being more common. Is this typical of CDMA?

I've found it hard to find any technical comparisons of
GSM vs CDMA signal propagation. The CDMA signal
seems "weaker" than GSM in what would normally be a
high signal area but 'hangs on' for longer.

Does this mean fewer cells are needed due to the CDMA
coding system & frequencies used combining to make a
signal that propagates more easily than GSM?

Regards,
Mark.

"John Hopgood" <hopjohn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jpjn01hn53coe5g50m2al5l539agu6viq9@4ax.com...

I've ended up doing just that.

At the moment Telstra have a Nokia 2112 for $129 on prepaid and
recharges are being credited with double the time. So for $159,
I
bought a CDMA phone with 12 months use and $70 in credits.

It's only a dinky little thing but at least gives me 1 - 3
bars.
During the drive back from the property to suburbia, the cdma
never
went over 4 bars but also never dropped out. My Optus dipped in
and
out from full strength to zero.

Thanks for your input guys.

Regards.......John

 

[Rod Speed]

John Hopgood <hopjohn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jpjn01hn53coe5g50m2al5l539agu6viq9@4ax.com...

I've ended up doing just that.

At the moment Telstra have a Nokia 2112 for $129 on prepaid and
recharges are being credited with double the time. So for $159, I
bought a CDMA phone with 12 months use and $70 in credits.

It's only a dinky little thing but at least gives me 1 - 3 bars.
During the drive back from the property to suburbia, the
cdma never went over 4 bars but also never dropped out.

cdma bars are different to gsm bars. You'll usually
maintain a good session even with 1 bar with cdma.

My Optus dipped in and out from full strength to zero.

Thanks for your input guys.

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:10:57 +1030, John Hopgood <hopjohn@hotmail.com
wrote:

Thanks Ralp and to all the other replies.

Yes I'm thinking that might also have to be the solution.

I've only got 12 months left on my contract so it might be the
cheapest option to get one of the cdma prepaid cheapies.

I've got a nokia 7210 and it doesn't have an external aerial socket.

Is it a possibility to open the phone up and add an external aerial
socket myself? Anyone done this?

Regards.......John





On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:53:50 +1100, "Ralph"
Ralph.Smith2@team4.telstra6.com> wrote:

I had the same problem.
I got my wife a CDMA and redirect my GSM calls to her phone when in a bad
service area. Probably not a good idea if you get a lot of calls. I kept my
GSM for roaming overseas, otherwise I would have swapped over.

You could also try an external aerial, if applicable to your phone.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mark <b22@froggy.com.au> wrote in message
news:420bf269$0$25080$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

I also had a similar problem to John.

Originally using a Nokia 1100 GSM 'phone, I changed
over to a Nokia 2280 CDMA The locations where the
dropouts were before have gone but the peak signal
strength in the area is about 1 to 2 "bars" lower.

Thats normal with cdma and it varys from cdma phone
to cdma phone too, just what they show bars wise.

There's a complicated reason for the
difference, but it doesnt matter in practice.

Generally too, the peaks & troughs in the signal have
been considerably reduced with the middle region signal
strengths being more common. Is this typical of CDMA?

Yes.

I've found it hard to find any technical comparisons
of GSM vs CDMA signal propagation.

It isnt actually signal propagation that matters.

CDMA keeps working fine with much lower signal levels than
GSM and there is not digital cliff that you have with GSM either.

The CDMA signal seems "weaker" than GSM in what would
normally be a high signal area but 'hangs on' for longer.

You cant tell that from the bars.

Does this mean fewer cells are needed due to the CDMA
coding system & frequencies used combining to make a
signal that propagates more easily than GSM?

Its a completely different effect. GSM needs similar signal
levels at the base from the various handsets its talking to.

CDMA works very differently in that regard.

There is fuck all in it frequency and propagation wise.

The main difference is in how the RF is used.

"John Hopgood" <hopjohn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jpjn01hn53coe5g50m2al5l539agu6viq9@4ax.com...
I've ended up doing just that.

At the moment Telstra have a Nokia 2112 for $129 on prepaid and
recharges are being credited with double the time. So for $159,
I
bought a CDMA phone with 12 months use and $70 in credits.

It's only a dinky little thing but at least gives me 1 - 3
bars.
During the drive back from the property to suburbia, the cdma
never
went over 4 bars but also never dropped out. My Optus dipped in
and
out from full strength to zero.

Thanks for your input guys.

Regards.......John

 

[Mike Harding]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:24:18 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Originally using a Nokia 1100 GSM 'phone, I changed
over to a Nokia 2280 CDMA The locations where the
dropouts were before have gone but the peak signal
strength in the area is about 1 to 2 "bars" lower.

Thats normal with cdma and it varys from cdma phone
to cdma phone too, just what they show bars wise.

There's a complicated reason for the
difference, but it doesnt matter in practice.

Perhaps you would care to explain that "complicated reason"
to us? This is aus.electronics after all - we do talk about
complicated things.

I've found it hard to find any technical comparisons
of GSM vs CDMA signal propagation.

It isnt actually signal propagation that matters.

OK. What does matter?

Does this mean fewer cells are needed due to the CDMA
coding system & frequencies used combining to make a
signal that propagates more easily than GSM?

Its a completely different effect. GSM needs similar signal
levels at the base from the various handsets its talking to.

CDMA works very differently in that regard.

In what way is it different?

The main difference is in how the RF is used.

And what difference is that?

Mike Harding

 

[Rod Speed]

Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
Mike Harding <mike_harding@fastmail.fm> desperately attempted
to bullshit its way out of its predicament wrote in message
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and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.

 

[Mike Harding]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:16:02 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
Mike Harding <mike_harding@fastmail.fm> desperately attempted
to bullshit its way out of its predicament wrote in message
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and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.

Snipped the embarrasing stuff this time eh Rod.

So you don't know the answers then. Why am I
not surprised.

Mike Harding

 

[Rod Speed]

Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
Mike Harding <mike_harding@fastmail.fm> desperately attempted
to bullshit its way out of its predicament wrote in message
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and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.