Mobile phone signal

[John Hopgood]

I've just moved to a country area in SA and I get virtually no mobile
signal. There is only one spot by a lounge room window that gives me 1
bar every now and then. I received the following suggestion to help
induct a signal "Some thing you can try for your Mobile. Stick a car
antenna on the roof of the house and hook up the centre core cable to
a coil of copper wire inside the house. Leave your mobile(s) near it.
They should pick up the inducted signal fron the coil. (no g'tee
but!!"

Will this work? ANy other suggestions avaialble?

What is the best way to make this coil, big, little, lots of turns or
just a few?

Thanks in advance.......

 

[John Crighton]

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:26:59 +1030, John Hopgood <hopjohn@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I've just moved to a country area in SA and I get virtually no mobile
signal. There is only one spot by a lounge room window that gives me 1
bar every now and then. I received the following suggestion to help
induct a signal "Some thing you can try for your Mobile. Stick a car
antenna on the roof of the house and hook up the centre core cable to
a coil of copper wire inside the house. Leave your mobile(s) near it.
They should pick up the inducted signal fron the coil. (no g'tee
but!!"

Will this work? ANy other suggestions avaialble?

Hello John,
sounds to me that you are the ideal person to do the
experimenting with your one bar of signal strength. Whatever
you do to improve the signal in you house, you are on to
a winner and can then tell other people what you did.

Regards,
John Crighton
Hornsby

 

[Phil Allison]

"John Hopgood"

I've just moved to a country area in SA and I get virtually no mobile
signal. There is only one spot by a lounge room window that gives me 1
bar every now and then. I received the following suggestion to help
induct a signal "Some thing you can try for your Mobile. Stick a car
antenna on the roof of the house and hook up the centre core cable to
a coil of copper wire inside the house. Leave your mobile(s) near it.
They should pick up the inducted signal fron the coil. (no g'tee
but!!"

Will this work? ANy other suggestions avaialble?

What is the best way to make this coil, big, little, lots of turns or
just a few?

** Unless the nearest GSM base is no more than 35 kms away you are out of
luck no matter what.

See: http://gsm.argospress.com/maximurang.htm


Maybe look at getting a CDMA phone which has not got that problem.




................ Phil

 

[Lord-Data]

I think even if you could get a roof antenna to pick up the signal and
repeat it somewhat into your house, it doesnt help your phone reply ..
Mobile communication is 2-way .. you woudlnt be able to boost your
transmission power this way ..

I'd suggest looking into changing to CDMA for better coverage in rural areas
...



"John Hopgood" <hopjohn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:klof01dlcma0vurlf3r1igs40os754sprl@4ax.com...

I've just moved to a country area in SA and I get virtually no mobile
signal. There is only one spot by a lounge room window that gives me 1
bar every now and then. I received the following suggestion to help
induct a signal "Some thing you can try for your Mobile. Stick a car
antenna on the roof of the house and hook up the centre core cable to
a coil of copper wire inside the house. Leave your mobile(s) near it.
They should pick up the inducted signal fron the coil. (no g'tee
but!!"

Will this work? ANy other suggestions avaialble?

What is the best way to make this coil, big, little, lots of turns or
just a few?

Thanks in advance.......

 

[Mr.T]

"John Hopgood" <hopjohn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:klof01dlcma0vurlf3r1igs40os754sprl@4ax.com...

I've just moved to a country area in SA and I get virtually no mobile
signal. There is only one spot by a lounge room window that gives me 1
bar every now and then. I received the following suggestion to help
induct a signal "Some thing you can try for your Mobile. Stick a car
antenna on the roof of the house and hook up the centre core cable to
a coil of copper wire inside the house. Leave your mobile(s) near it.
They should pick up the inducted signal fron the coil. (no g'tee
but!!"

Will this work? ANy other suggestions avaialble?

If you are going to use a car antenna, plug it into the mobile phone as
intended.
But then why do you need a mobile in the house anyway, don't you have a
landline? Maybe a cordless phone is what you need at home.

MrT.

 

[Nathan L,]

"John Hopgood" <hopjohn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:klof01dlcma0vurlf3r1igs40os754sprl@4ax.com...

I've just moved to a country area in SA and I get virtually no mobile
signal. There is only one spot by a lounge room window that gives me 1
bar every now and then. I received the following suggestion to help
induct a signal "Some thing you can try for your Mobile. Stick a car
antenna on the roof of the house and hook up the centre core cable to
a coil of copper wire inside the house. Leave your mobile(s) near it.
They should pick up the inducted signal fron the coil. (no g'tee
but!!"

Will this work? ANy other suggestions avaialble?

What is the best way to make this coil, big, little, lots of turns or
just a few?

Thanks in advance.......

Many phones have a rubber gromet in the back of them that when removed,
reveals an antenna socket for plugging into a car kit (/car kit holster).
You could try that. Some simply uncover a piece of metal, which is often
the base of the phones antenna.

 

[David]

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:58:39 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:

"John Hopgood"

I've just moved to a country area in SA and I get virtually no mobile
signal. There is only one spot by a lounge room window that gives me 1
bar every now and then. I received the following suggestion to help
induct a signal "Some thing you can try for your Mobile. Stick a car
antenna on the roof of the house and hook up the centre core cable to
a coil of copper wire inside the house. Leave your mobile(s) near it.
They should pick up the inducted signal fron the coil. (no g'tee
but!!"

Will this work? ANy other suggestions avaialble?

What is the best way to make this coil, big, little, lots of turns or
just a few?




** Unless the nearest GSM base is no more than 35 kms away you are out of
luck no matter what.

See: http://gsm.argospress.com/maximurang.htm


Maybe look at getting a CDMA phone which has not got that problem.

No, GSM can be extended by changing the time slots. By using Extended
Range, they can be easily extended to 70kms, with half the number of
users. This is used in country areas where large numbers of connections
are not expected. There is also "EER" mode (Enhanced Extended
Range). According to Vodafone they have made called over 120kms using GSM
technology.


David

 

[KLR]

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:26:59 +1030, John Hopgood <hopjohn@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I've just moved to a country area in SA and I get virtually no mobile
signal. There is only one spot by a lounge room window that gives me 1
bar every now and then. I received the following suggestion to help
induct a signal "Some thing you can try for your Mobile. Stick a car
antenna on the roof of the house and hook up the centre core cable to
a coil of copper wire inside the house. Leave your mobile(s) near it.
They should pick up the inducted signal fron the coil. (no g'tee
but!!"

Will this work? ANy other suggestions avaialble?

What is the best way to make this coil, big, little, lots of turns or
just a few?

Thanks in advance.......

I recall being advertised some years back GSM car phones (and also GSM
"bag phones" - like the old analogs) that would supposedly operate at
2-3w power range.

Couple this with a decent car phone antenna on the roof of your house
and I think it would have to make a big improvement


However I would try a CDMA phone first. Have had both for about 5
years, regularly travel for work in country areas and the CDMA wins
hands down for being usuable in poor signal areas. I have found the
"Kyocera" (I currently have 3245) and some of the early "LG" brand
CDMA handsets seems to work much better in bad signal areas.




The only trouble with CDMA (which might not be a problem for most) is
that it will not work (roam) overseas, where GSM it does with no
problem whatsoever.

 

[Phil Allison]

"David" = arrogant wanker
Phil Allison wrote:

No, GSM can be extended by changing the time slots. By using Extended
Range, they can be easily extended to 70kms, with half the number of
users. This is used in country areas where large numbers of connections
are not expected. There is also "EER" mode (Enhanced Extended
Range). According to Vodafone they have made called over 120kms using GSM
technology.

** A standard GSM phone with its 3 cm long antenna would be lucky to
transmit 35 km even under ideal ( line of sight) conditions. Normally,
conditions are for less than ideal and signals have to be reflected several
times to make the path from a phone to base station. Bit like clutching at
(RF ) straws.

Sounds also like more utter BULLSHIT form David the Dickhead.

BTW

Has the cretinous EE jerk-off even figured out that the tempco of copper is
linear yet ????

Quote, 16 Jan 2005:

" The tempco is not linear, but exponential. If you had finished Uni, you
would know that it is really (1+ 0.0039)^125 not 125 * 0.0039. "



** How hysterical !!




............. Phil

 

[David]

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:46:16 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:

"Phil Allison" = arrogant wanker wrote

No, GSM can be extended by changing the time slots. By using Extended
Range, they can be easily extended to 70kms, with half the number of
users. This is used in country areas where large numbers of connections
are not expected. There is also "EER" mode (Enhanced Extended
Range). According to Vodafone they have made called over 120kms using GSM
technology.



** A standard GSM phone with its 3 cm long antenna would be lucky to
transmit 35 km even under ideal ( line of sight) conditions. Normally,
conditions are for less than ideal and signals have to be reflected several
times to make the path from a phone to base station. Bit like clutching at
(RF ) straws.

Sounds also like more utter BULLSHIT form David the Dickhead.

A quick google would have found it for you Phil, and then you wouldn't
be proved wrong yet again.

http://www.ericsson.com.au/press/2000/20000302_vodafone.shtml

David

 

[Phil Allison]

"David" = mentally retarded wanker

Phil Allison wrote:


No, GSM can be extended by changing the time slots. By using Extended
Range, they can be easily extended to 70kms, with half the number of
users. This is used in country areas where large numbers of connections
are not expected. There is also "EER" mode (Enhanced Extended
Range). According to Vodafone they have made called over 120kms using
GSM
technology.


** A standard GSM phone with its 3 cm long antenna would be lucky to
transmit 35 km even under ideal ( line of sight) conditions. Normally,
conditions are for less than ideal and signals have to be reflected
several
times to make the path from a phone to base station. Bit like clutching
at
(RF ) straws.

Sounds also like more utter BULLSHIT form David the Dickhead.


A quick google would have found it for you Phil,

** Found what ???

Nothing but a pile of worthless marketing hype in that old press release.

and then you wouldn't be proved wrong yet again.

** Not a word of what I wrote was proved wrong by that stupid press
release.

David the Googling Dickhead makes an utter ASS of himself again.



BTW - here's the bit he snipped cos he cannot admit his pig ignorance
........


Has the cretinous EE jerk-off even figured out that the tempco of copper is
linear yet ????

Quote, 16 Jan 2005:

" The tempco is not linear, but exponential. If you had finished Uni, you
would know that it is really (1+ 0.0039)^125 not 125 * 0.0039. "


** How hysterical !!




............ Phil

 

[Mike Harding]

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:46:16 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

No, GSM can be extended by changing the time slots. By using Extended
Range, they can be easily extended to 70kms, with half the number of
users. This is used in country areas where large numbers of connections
are not expected. There is also "EER" mode (Enhanced Extended
Range). According to Vodafone they have made called over 120kms using GSM
technology.

** A standard GSM phone with its 3 cm long antenna would be lucky to
transmit 35 km even under ideal ( line of sight) conditions. Normally,
conditions are for less than ideal and signals have to be reflected several
times to make the path from a phone to base station. Bit like clutching at
(RF ) straws.

Why? My CDMA with it's 3cm antenna regularly does just that
and for far more than 35km. In fact didn't you suggest CDMA
for just this application?

David is quite correct about GSM time slots and the fact that
they are sometimes doubled in country areas.

Mike Harding

 

[Ralph]

I had the same problem.
I got my wife a CDMA and redirect my GSM calls to her phone when in a bad
service area. Probably not a good idea if you get a lot of calls. I kept my
GSM for roaming overseas, otherwise I would have swapped over.

You could also try an external aerial, if applicable to your phone.

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John Hopgood wrote in message ...

I've just moved to a country area in SA and I get virtually no mobile
signal. There is only one spot by a lounge room window that gives me 1
bar every now and then. I received the following suggestion to help
induct a signal "Some thing you can try for your Mobile. Stick a car
antenna on the roof of the house and hook up the centre core cable to
a coil of copper wire inside the house. Leave your mobile(s) near it.
They should pick up the inducted signal fron the coil. (no g'tee
but!!"

Will this work? ANy other suggestions avaialble?

What is the best way to make this coil, big, little, lots of turns or
just a few?

Thanks in advance.......

 

[John Hopgood]

Thanks Ralp and to all the other replies.

Yes I'm thinking that might also have to be the solution.

I've only got 12 months left on my contract so it might be the
cheapest option to get one of the cdma prepaid cheapies.

I've got a nokia 7210 and it doesn't have an external aerial socket.

Is it a possibility to open the phone up and add an external aerial
socket myself? Anyone done this?

Regards.......John





On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:53:50 +1100, "Ralph"
<Ralph.Smith2@team4.telstra6.com> wrote:

I had the same problem.
I got my wife a CDMA and redirect my GSM calls to her phone when in a bad
service area. Probably not a good idea if you get a lot of calls. I kept my
GSM for roaming overseas, otherwise I would have swapped over.

You could also try an external aerial, if applicable to your phone.

 

[Mr.T]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:36r21aF54nitjU1@individual.net...

No, GSM can be extended by changing the time slots. By using Extended
Range, they can be easily extended to 70kms, with half the number of
users. This is used in country areas where large numbers of connections
are not expected. There is also "EER" mode (Enhanced Extended
Range). According to Vodafone they have made called over 120kms using
GSM
technology.

** A standard GSM phone with its 3 cm long antenna would be lucky to
transmit 35 km even under ideal ( line of sight) conditions. Normally,
conditions are for less than ideal and signals have to be reflected
several
times to make the path from a phone to base station. Bit like clutching
at
(RF ) straws.

Yes, but where did he say it was done using a 3cm antenna?
The devil is in the detail, as usual.

MrT.

 

[Rod Speed]

"David" <no_way@hotmail.com> wrote in message
newsan.2005.02.08.03.25.43.625000@hotmail.com...

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:58:39 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:


"John Hopgood"

I've just moved to a country area in SA and I get virtually no mobile
signal. There is only one spot by a lounge room window that gives me 1
bar every now and then. I received the following suggestion to help
induct a signal "Some thing you can try for your Mobile. Stick a car
antenna on the roof of the house and hook up the centre core cable to
a coil of copper wire inside the house. Leave your mobile(s) near it.
They should pick up the inducted signal fron the coil. (no g'tee
but!!"

Will this work? ANy other suggestions avaialble?

What is the best way to make this coil, big, little, lots of turns or
just a few?




** Unless the nearest GSM base is no more than 35 kms away you are out of
luck no matter what.

See: http://gsm.argospress.com/maximurang.htm


Maybe look at getting a CDMA phone which has not got that problem.

No, GSM can be extended by changing the time slots.
By using Extended Range, they can be easily extended
to 70kms, with half the number of users. This is used in
country areas where large numbers of connections are not expected.

Wrong, while that can be done, it isnt in fact very common at all.

There is also "EER" mode (Enhanced Extended Range). According to
Vodafone they have made called over 120kms using GSM technology.

Pity about the dearth of bases implemented like that.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding@nixspam.fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:3lug01lssj13l9ced1d04ngmtu0ehqkijs@4ax.com...

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:46:16 +1100, "Phil Allison"
philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

No, GSM can be extended by changing the time slots. By using Extended
Range, they can be easily extended to 70kms, with half the number of
users. This is used in country areas where large numbers of connections
are not expected. There is also "EER" mode (Enhanced Extended
Range). According to Vodafone they have made called over 120kms using GSM
technology.

** A standard GSM phone with its 3 cm long antenna would be lucky to
transmit 35 km even under ideal ( line of sight) conditions. Normally,
conditions are for less than ideal and signals have to be reflected several
times to make the path from a phone to base station. Bit like clutching at
(RF ) straws.

Why? My CDMA with it's 3cm antenna regularly does just that
and for far more than 35km. In fact didn't you suggest CDMA
for just this application?

David is quite correct about GSM time slots and the fact that
they are sometimes doubled in country areas.

Not very often fact, particularly with some GSM carriers.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
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"John Hopgood" <hopjohn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:klof01dlcma0vurlf3r1igs40os754sprl@4ax.com...
I've just moved to a country area in SA and I get virtually no mobile
signal. There is only one spot by a lounge room window that gives me 1
bar every now and then. I received the following suggestion to help
induct a signal "Some thing you can try for your Mobile. Stick a car
antenna on the roof of the house and hook up the centre core cable to
a coil of copper wire inside the house. Leave your mobile(s) near it.
They should pick up the inducted signal fron the coil. (no g'tee
but!!"

Will this work? ANy other suggestions avaialble?

If you are going to use a car antenna, plug it into the mobile phone as
intended.

It aint done like that with the most recent GSM handsets.

But then why do you need a mobile in the house anyway, don't you
have a landline? Maybe a cordless phone is what you need at home.

 

[Rod Speed]

"John Hopgood" <hopjohn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uifi01d0qjbj7u59nnkiovg1u5sc4b34vf@4ax.com...

Thanks Ralp and to all the other replies.

Yes I'm thinking that might also have to be the solution.

I've only got 12 months left on my contract so it might be the
cheapest option to get one of the cdma prepaid cheapies.

I've got a nokia 7210 and it doesn't have an external aerial socket.

Is it a possibility to open the phone up
and add an external aerial socket myself?

Nope.

Anyone done this?

Not successfully.

You could try a car kit for the phone, that might be good enough
with the antenna on the top of the window outside etc.

You could use a bluetooth headset with the phone if it works.

CDMA would be cheaper tho.

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:53:50 +1100, "Ralph"
Ralph.Smith2@team4.telstra6.com> wrote:

I had the same problem.
I got my wife a CDMA and redirect my GSM calls to her phone when in a bad
service area. Probably not a good idea if you get a lot of calls. I kept my
GSM for roaming overseas, otherwise I would have swapped over.

You could also try an external aerial, if applicable to your phone.

 

[Mike Harding]

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:09:29 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
wrote:

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding@nixspam.fastmail.fm> wrote in message
David is quite correct about GSM time slots and the fact that
they are sometimes doubled in country areas.

Not very often fact, particularly with some GSM carriers.

Indeed that is the case - Hence the word "sometimes" in
my post - Gawd!

Perhaps you would care to elucidate upon your comment?
ie. How often? Where? Which carriers? Do you know?

Mike Harding