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All the ones I have got have been just as good as the original.

You've been lucky. First time I bought one it was about half the
capacity of the original one, when I replaced that, both
replacements were less than 15% or original, when fully-charged. I
was trying
to keep my old Razr alive because its battery life was 4-6 days, but
the most recent replacements don't even last 6 hours on standby.

Not sure if urban myth

It is.
try freezing it in plastic bag in deep freeze
for a day then thaw it out and recharge.

That will fuck a battery.
Something to do with batteries getting a "memory"

That doesn't happen with the current battery technology.

NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again.

No, you're just plain wrong, again.

You broke my balls over this debate last time. You didn't convince me
any facts,

Doesn’t change a single fact.

and I didn't manage to convince you either.
Whether there is such effect or not,

There isnt.

I know this much, I successfully restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd
batteries by discharging them fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.

Its bullshit with NiMH.

Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this stuff.

Yep, there is no memory effect with NiMH.

and they use Li-Ion now anyway.

Yes, The latest Li-Ion technology suppose to be even better than Lead
acid batteries in terms of the power
they can hold and in some cases longevity as well, but such Li-Ion
batteries are still pretty expensive.

Not with the mobile phones being discussed they arent.

AFAIK, such high Li-Ion battery technology hasn't been introduced to mobile
phones yet.
They are just being used for high end electric cars AFAIK.
In time, they may phase out lead acid batteries.
Lead acids are powerful and long lasting, yet as heavy as an elephant.
It's time to let them go I reckon.
Downside of Li-Ion is that they are pretty capable TNT bombs in right
conditions.
You wouldn't wanna be inside an electric car, or anywhere near it, that
being caught fire.
Having said that, gasoline cars have the gasoline tank, which is as bad as
Li-Ion or even worse I reckon?!!

They use them in high end electric cars.

Sure, but there isnt anything in it price wise with mobile phones.

You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge the
battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

My experience so far with NiCD and NiMH says otherwise.

No it doesn’t. You're just fooling yourself.

My cordless phones all use NiMH and there is no memory effect
what so ever with those. They are never ever fully discharged and
when you use a good high quality NiMH there is never ever any
memory effect.

The word 'memory effect' may be a loose term. But, some NiCD and NiMH
batteries do get sluggish after continuous use without fully charging them.
Then I managed to restore to acceptable levels by discharging them for
hours, slowly, using the discharge function on a charger.
Then recharge/discharge couple more times.
You may be right about the good high quality NiMH.
But, where do you get such ones?!! Can you suggest brands, sellers?!!!!

I'm not sure about the memory effect on LiIon batteries though.

There is none.

Correct.

I always am.

You are being delusional. Is pope catholic?!! )

I do know, they don't like being fully discharged, just like Lead acid
batteries.

I've had some success with Motorola batteries (not always)

 

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I use
http://www.ausspecs.com.au/
so far no problems and I buy the cheapest model

The cheapest chinese are much cheaper than that.

No problems with the ones I had before that.

These are posted from Hong Kong

Mine came from Danyang (jiangsu)

The add $10 for "postage"

Only cost me $10 for Toll, full tracking 5 days including
a weekend.

This is my 2nd pair from their special basket

Mine were from a local supplier, on ebay. There are plenty
of them on ebay.

I can't see even a single supplier of PRESCRIPTION glasses
on ebay currently.

The only ones there are only supply the frames, not the
lenses.

he is probably talking about reading glasses

Yeah, very likely.

which you can get from two dollar shops without bothering
with ebay.

True.

http://www.ausspecs.com.au/

That's considerably more expensive than
http://omnioptics.com.au/cheap-glasses/

They do both and so far good quality

I suspect your "optometrist" gets them from same place at 100
times the cost

I doubt it, the frames are quite different.

Canceled my payment to my private fund for specs and save $400
a year

I never had that and don't have health insurance either.

If you look after yourself enough, I don't think you need health
insurance.

I don’t believe you need it even if you don’t.

That would be unrealistic.

Nope, I have never had it and never
needed it and don’t look after myself.

If you are working person and constantly under threat of injuries,
health issues,

I didn’t even bother with it when I physically built my own house.

The public hospital system worked fine every time.

Man, I dunno where you've been living. I've had multiple crippling
injuries and don't tell me about the public hospital system.

Its worked fine for me. And one of them was quite literally a
crippling injury.

There is something callled a waiting list for specialists, surgeries,
etc and sometimes you have to wait up to couple of years.

Not for a real crippling injury you don't. I only had to wait
overnight.

I've had my elbow operated and waited nearly two years. I'm still
waitng for the other elbow.

How did you manage to fuck both elbows ?

Only way around that to see a specialist privately, which isn't
funded by medicare totally,

All of mine were.

and neither are the surgeries, etc,

All of mine were. And the air ambulance to the state capital too.

if you want them have done straightaway.

Bullshit. I got mine done the next day, and that
was because it happened very late in the day.

then the current system and economics demand to have health
insurance.

Bullshit.

Dunno what you mean by that.

That there is no demand to have health insurance.

Specialists, physio, Osteo, etc all aren't funded by medicare.

Wrong. I got all of mine paid for entirely by medicare.

Yes, there are limited funding for certain cases, but nowhere near
enough for a rehabilitation.

Wrong, I got all my rehab for free.

You either need to have some hard cash savings or insurance.

Wrong. I didn’t pay a cent. With the last one the
ONLY thing I had to pay for was the newspapers
to read. Didn’t even have to pay for a TV to watch.

If you are at work or behind wheels, then the work and road
insurance scheme would help.

I've never need to use either for health care.

That 'cos you've never experienced either of the circumstances.

Wrong.

If the injury happens elsewhere, you can end up being screwed.

Bullshit. The public hospital system works fine for that sort of
thing.

That's bullshit.

Nope, its fact.

You should aquire an injury and see how it goes with the public
system.

Been there, done that. It worked fine.

The only thing that cost me anything with that one was the ambulance.

I've been there already. I have firsthand experience, so do many
people

So do I. And not just one of them either.

Then the illnesses and terminal illnesses can make the situation
even more complicated.

Nope. In fact a number of mates of mine have had those and only a
couple of them have health insurance.

Obviously they have enough savings.

Hasn’t cost them a cent.

In fact one of them has cost the system an immense amount of money.

There's help from public system in case termincal illnesses.

There's all the health care they need.

But, when you need knee replacement, hip replacement, shoulder, etc
issues, you have to wait in the public system or need money or
insurance to get the things done.

And with the immense amount of treatment the one
with diabetes needs, he has never had to wait at all,
and he is one of the ones with no health insurance at all.

And I didn’t have to wait for mine either.

I think, it would be great to have a tax funded health insurance
scheme.

That’s what we have.

I meant universal type of health care system, so we don't need to
have private insurance to have access to specialist services
straighaway.

I got access to specialist service straight away
and so does the mate of mine with diabetes.

Whether it's politically feasible under
current situtation is another story.

It's scam that we have to get health insurance now, when we
already pay medicare levy.

That’s overstated. If the levy was high enough
to pay for everything delivered as quick as anyone
ever wanted it, they voters wouldn’t wear it.

Yeah, that's a valid argument. But, it won't kill to give a go at
it.

It would actually. No one has anything like that world wide.

I think it's time we do.

Not enough do think that.

With growing populations and environmental hazards, etc, our health
problems are getting more and more complicated by the day.

Whats actually happening is that we can do much
more than we could in the past, particularly with
kid born premature and with the geriatrics and
with those that have heart attacks and diabetes etc.

Nothing to do with population numbers and
there are FAR fewer environmental problems
in the modern first world than there used to be.

A similar thing was spread around before the introduction of
medicare system, not it's still around, and seems to be doing the
job fine for all Australians.

Depends on what you want done. There are real downsides in some
situations like cataracts for example.

So, you do believe in on the need for private health insurance under
current system?!!

Nope, I still don’t bother with it.

Many people, like myself are more than happy to pay higher levy or
tax to get 'universal' medicare,

You are free to have that with health insurance.

That's not 'universal' health care. You get what you pay for.

You get it with the public system for free.

Then again, you argue we don't need it, or may be rather, you don't
need it?!!

Neither in fact. I rub your nose in the fact that the public system
provides it.

so we won't have to get screwed by private health insurers.

You don’t get screwed by them.

Sure you do.

Nope, none of them make outrageous profits.

All the insurance companies are there for that.

Wrong. They just provide a service which some decide they want.

Just make sure you read the fine print and microscopic print and
understand it pretty well. Many get screwed and raped in the arse by
not doing that homework.

Even sillier.

If should be a simpler system with a higher medicare levy.

There are certainly some advantages with that approach,
but its far from clear that its politically feasible.

Jillard just put the levy up by half a percent to pay for NDIS.

And that doesn’t even come close to raising what it costs.

Yeah, I think that's true.

We know it is from the numbers.

Wonder where the money's gona come from??!!!

The only place it can come from, the taxpayers.

I'm not sure people are pissed off with her on that.

Plenty are.

Yep, likely.

I think it's many other issues she stuffed up
that her ratings are pretty bad at the moment.

All of them in fact.

I think her work on school system is good,

I don’t. She's pissing MUCH more money against the
wall when the numbers of kids in schools is DROPPING.

Yeah, but it may be good to do something about it by restructuring the
school system.

Nothing like that is even being proposed.

But, I'm not sure whether her spending is doing that.

It isnt.

The real project following the Gonski review recommendations may be too
big a project for her at this stage.

Specially when she'll be lucky to even keep her seat in Sept.

No chance of her running a damned thing except the
local Labor branch either.

the problem is she's shuffling money to do that,

From tertiary education where the numbers arent dropping.

May she wants the number to drop, for whatever the reason??!!

Nar, its just a particularly stupid way of paying for it.

which is not good.

Its completely stupid.

Yeah, no argument there.

I think it's politically feasible,

I know it isnt. No one does that world wide.

Then it's time we do.

Nope.

With growing population

NOT ONE modern first world country is even
self replacing now if you take out immigration.

'cos we are having less and less children??!!

Yeah, basically. That’s why the numbers
of kids in school keeps dropping even
tho they stay longer than they used to.

The youngest turk is completing highschool
after having repeated one year. That never
happened before with someone that thick.

That’s tons of money pissed against the wall.

His older brother who is nothing like that thick still
hasn’t got a permanent job and is just another dole
bludger with wife and kid that we are paying for.

He completed highschool too.

Their mother never did go to school at all.

and growing health complications,

That’s bullshit too.

we do need a system like that.

Nope.

Capitalism, as we know and practice it, may not be conducive to such
system though.

Health care under any other system is MUCH worse.

Was it bad under Communist systems in Russia and East Germany?

Yeah, they were stupid enough to reuse
needles and spread HIV/AIDS that way.

Never managed to work out what stents and heart bypasses were about
either.

(one of my mates from Russia, who's a doctor, was really pissed off
with the communist system 'cos he
was getting paid the same as the janitor of the hospital, he's as happy
as a pig in shit to be in Australia, where such 'trauma' never occurs.
) )

Yeah, that’s a large part of the reason their system was so hopeless.

but probably not by the current government, by the sound and looks
of it, they need miracle to survive.

Not even a miracle would do that now.

Once you get to 30% of the primary vote,
no one has EVER come back from that.

Yeah, similar drama happened to John Coward six years ago.

Nope, their primary vote never go anything like that.

We are yet to see the results of the election.

Don’t need to. No one has ever managed to
come back from a 30% primary vote, EVER.

still three more months to go.

She'll be FUCKING lucky if she manages to stay PM for that long.

Jillard might turn things around by then

Not a chance.

She'll be FUCKING lucky if she manages to stay PM for that long.

What can happen now to kick her out before that??!!

Even the most stupid Labor caucus member
realises that they are gunna be flushed down
the tubes of history in their own personal seat.

When they realise that, they will try ANYTHING.

Like bringing Rudd back?! They seem to be getting desperate now.
Even Bill Shorten is rumoured to may have defected from Jillard camp.

and become the first female fully elected PM, eh?!!

Labor only ever has a woman when
there is no chance of staying in govt.

I'm beginning to believe, that might be true.

Its been true for a long time now.

What do u reckon?!

She's dead, Jim. You into necrophilia ?

Me??! Nah.
I've seen enough of you already. )

The pet hairdresser obviously is.

He's the only bloke hairdresser in da country who happens to be not gay.

Don’t believe that last.

Give him some credits.

He lost badly,

Pigs arse he did.

Didn't he lose his seat to McKew?!!

But not BADLY.

How bad can it be losing his own seat in addition to getting kicked out
of the governent, strainght to the cemetary??!!!

He'd decided to get out,

That's bullshit. You know that.
He wanted another go at being the PM and make sure his work (no)choices to
be the future of industry policy.
He would've been most certainly lost regardless of electoral boundary
reassignment.
He's dead now. Forget about him. He's the chairman of the 'Universal
conservative party', which is meant for retired pollies with dementia.
No body gives him a job anymore that matters to public. Just light a candle
for him. That's all we can do now.
Only good thing he's done was kicking the nuts of the gun nutters in the
country. A damn good job for sure.
The rest is a mess.
Focus on Tony the Abbot. He's the only one in the liberal party with a
direct connection between his and Howard's head.
He's your only hope, Jim.

the boundary changes made that
seat unwinnable by the Libs. That’s all that happened.

That's bullshit. Libs have won it in the last election quite comfortably.

regardless of all the tax handouts.

Even sillier.

And I may need to choose between the rope and exile in Antarctica,
eh?!!

Yep.

Now, we don't have a choice and get punished by the tax man if
we don't get health insurance.

I don’t.

That because you earnings are below 84K.

Nope.

Because you don't earn at all?!!

Still wrong.


Then, help me to get it right man.

So much for living in the lucky country.

It still leaves the US and British systems for dead.

US for dead sure, but not sure about UK though.

I am on being able to use any doctor you like any time you like.

You may be right about them as well, since they have cut down lot
of public spending recently though.

That was true even before that.

But, I think there are countries out there which may have far
better system than us(Germany, etc).

Nope.

 

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All the ones I have got have been just as good as the original.

You've been lucky. First time I bought one it was about half the
capacity of the original one, when I replaced that, both
replacements were less than 15% or original, when fully-charged. I
was trying
to keep my old Razr alive because its battery life was 4-6 days,
but the most recent replacements don't even last 6 hours on
standby.

Not sure if urban myth

It is.
try freezing it in plastic bag in deep freeze
for a day then thaw it out and recharge.

That will fuck a battery.
Something to do with batteries getting a "memory"

That doesn't happen with the current battery technology.

NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again.

No, you're just plain wrong, again.

You broke my balls over this debate last time. You didn't convince me
any facts,

Doesn’t change a single fact.

and I didn't manage to convince you either.
Whether there is such effect or not,

There isnt.

I know this much, I successfully restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd
batteries by discharging them fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.

Its bullshit with NiMH.

Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
stuff.

Yep, there is no memory effect with NiMH.

and they use Li-Ion now anyway.

Yes, The latest Li-Ion technology suppose to be even better than Lead
acid batteries in terms of the power
they can hold and in some cases longevity as well, but such Li-Ion
batteries are still pretty expensive.

Not with the mobile phones being discussed they arent.

AFAIK, such high Li-Ion battery technology hasn't been introduced to
mobile phones yet.

Been there for a long time now. Even the Nokia 6310i had it
and it’s a FUCKING old stupidphone now.

They are just being used for high end electric cars AFAIK.

Fraid not. Almost universal in phones now, and laptops too.

In time, they may phase out lead acid batteries.

I don’t it with normal car batterys.

Lead acids are powerful and long lasting, yet as heavy as an elephant.

Not necessarily with the smaller sealed ones.

It's time to let them go I reckon.

Just not viable to do that with car batterys alone.

Downside of Li-Ion is that they are pretty capable TNT bombs in right
conditions.

They don’t actually explode, just catch fire.

You wouldn't wanna be inside an electric car, or anywhere near it, that
being caught fire.

Its no worse than a petrol car.

Having said that, gasoline cars have the gasoline tank, which is as bad as
Li-Ion or even worse I reckon?!!

Much worse in fact.

They use them in high end electric cars.

Sure, but there isnt anything in it price wise with mobile phones.

You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge the
battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

My experience so far with NiCD and NiMH says otherwise.

No it doesn’t. You're just fooling yourself.

My cordless phones all use NiMH and there is no memory effect
what so ever with those. They are never ever fully discharged and
when you use a good high quality NiMH there is never ever any
memory effect.

The word 'memory effect' may be a loose term.

It basically refers to the effect where you don’t get the full capacity
on a charge unless you discharge it completely occasionally.

But, some NiCD and NiMH batteries do get sluggish after continuous use
without fully charging them.

Not the good NiMH batterys with a well designed charger.

Then I managed to restore to acceptable levels by discharging them for
hours, slowly, using the discharge function on a charger.
Then recharge/discharge couple more times.
You may be right about the good high quality NiMH.
But, where do you get such ones?!! Can you suggest brands, sellers?!!!!

Eneloops are fine. Dick Smith has them at half price occasionally
in their email offers.

I'm not sure about the memory effect on LiIon batteries though.

There is none.

Correct.

I always am.

You are being delusional.

Nope.

Is pope catholic?!! )

Just another child molester.

I do know, they don't like being fully discharged, just like Lead acid
batteries.

I've had some success with Motorola batteries (not always)

 

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I use
http://www.ausspecs.com.au/
so far no problems and I buy the cheapest model

The cheapest chinese are much cheaper than that.

No problems with the ones I had before that.

These are posted from Hong Kong

Mine came from Danyang (jiangsu)

The add $10 for "postage"

Only cost me $10 for Toll, full tracking 5 days including
a weekend.

This is my 2nd pair from their special basket

Mine were from a local supplier, on ebay. There are plenty
of them on ebay.

I can't see even a single supplier of PRESCRIPTION glasses
on ebay currently.

The only ones there are only supply the frames, not the
lenses.

he is probably talking about reading glasses

Yeah, very likely.

which you can get from two dollar shops without bothering
with ebay.

True.

http://www.ausspecs.com.au/

That's considerably more expensive than
http://omnioptics.com.au/cheap-glasses/

They do both and so far good quality

I suspect your "optometrist" gets them from same place at 100
times the cost

I doubt it, the frames are quite different.

Canceled my payment to my private fund for specs and save $400
a year

I never had that and don't have health insurance either.

If you look after yourself enough, I don't think you need health
insurance.

I don’t believe you need it even if you don’t.

That would be unrealistic.

Nope, I have never had it and never
needed it and don’t look after myself.

If you are working person and constantly under threat of injuries,
health issues,

I didn’t even bother with it when I physically built my own house.

The public hospital system worked fine every time.

Man, I dunno where you've been living. I've had multiple crippling
injuries and don't tell me about the public hospital system.

Its worked fine for me. And one of them was quite literally a
crippling injury.

There is something callled a waiting list for specialists,
surgeries, etc and sometimes you have to wait up to couple of years.

Not for a real crippling injury you don't. I only had to wait
overnight.

I've had my elbow operated and waited nearly two years. I'm still
waitng for the other elbow.

How did you manage to fuck both elbows ?

Only way around that to see a specialist privately, which isn't
funded by medicare totally,

All of mine were.

and neither are the surgeries, etc,

All of mine were. And the air ambulance to the state capital too.

if you want them have done straightaway.

Bullshit. I got mine done the next day, and that
was because it happened very late in the day.

then the current system and economics demand to have health
insurance.

Bullshit.

Dunno what you mean by that.

That there is no demand to have health insurance.

Specialists, physio, Osteo, etc all aren't funded by medicare.

Wrong. I got all of mine paid for entirely by medicare.

Yes, there are limited funding for certain cases, but nowhere near
enough for a rehabilitation.

Wrong, I got all my rehab for free.

You either need to have some hard cash savings or insurance.

Wrong. I didn’t pay a cent. With the last one the
ONLY thing I had to pay for was the newspapers
to read. Didn’t even have to pay for a TV to watch.

If you are at work or behind wheels, then the work and road
insurance scheme would help.

I've never need to use either for health care.

That 'cos you've never experienced either of the circumstances.

Wrong.

If the injury happens elsewhere, you can end up being screwed.

Bullshit. The public hospital system works fine for that sort of
thing.

That's bullshit.

Nope, its fact.

You should aquire an injury and see how it goes with the public
system.

Been there, done that. It worked fine.

The only thing that cost me anything with that one was the ambulance.

I've been there already. I have firsthand experience, so do many
people

So do I. And not just one of them either.

Then the illnesses and terminal illnesses can make the situation
even more complicated.

Nope. In fact a number of mates of mine have had those and only a
couple of them have health insurance.

Obviously they have enough savings.

Hasn’t cost them a cent.

In fact one of them has cost the system an immense amount of money.

There's help from public system in case termincal illnesses.

There's all the health care they need.

But, when you need knee replacement, hip replacement, shoulder, etc
issues, you have to wait in the public system or need money or
insurance to get the things done.

And with the immense amount of treatment the one
with diabetes needs, he has never had to wait at all,
and he is one of the ones with no health insurance at all.

And I didn’t have to wait for mine either.

I think, it would be great to have a tax funded health insurance
scheme.

That’s what we have.

I meant universal type of health care system, so we don't need to
have private insurance to have access to specialist services
straighaway.

I got access to specialist service straight away
and so does the mate of mine with diabetes.

Whether it's politically feasible under
current situtation is another story.

It's scam that we have to get health insurance now, when we
already pay medicare levy.

That’s overstated. If the levy was high enough
to pay for everything delivered as quick as anyone
ever wanted it, they voters wouldn’t wear it.

Yeah, that's a valid argument. But, it won't kill to give a go at
it.

It would actually. No one has anything like that world wide.

I think it's time we do.

Not enough do think that.

With growing populations and environmental hazards, etc, our health
problems are getting more and more complicated by the day.

Whats actually happening is that we can do much
more than we could in the past, particularly with
kid born premature and with the geriatrics and
with those that have heart attacks and diabetes etc.

Nothing to do with population numbers and
there are FAR fewer environmental problems
in the modern first world than there used to be.

A similar thing was spread around before the introduction of
medicare system, not it's still around, and seems to be doing the
job fine for all Australians.

Depends on what you want done. There are real downsides in some
situations like cataracts for example.

So, you do believe in on the need for private health insurance under
current system?!!

Nope, I still don’t bother with it.

Many people, like myself are more than happy to pay higher levy or
tax to get 'universal' medicare,

You are free to have that with health insurance.

That's not 'universal' health care. You get what you pay for.

You get it with the public system for free.

Then again, you argue we don't need it, or may be rather, you don't
need it?!!

Neither in fact. I rub your nose in the fact that the public system
provides it.

so we won't have to get screwed by private health insurers.

You don’t get screwed by them.

Sure you do.

Nope, none of them make outrageous profits.

All the insurance companies are there for that.

Wrong. They just provide a service which some decide they want.

Just make sure you read the fine print and microscopic print and
understand it pretty well. Many get screwed and raped in the arse by
not doing that homework.

Even sillier.

If should be a simpler system with a higher medicare levy.

There are certainly some advantages with that approach,
but its far from clear that its politically feasible.

Jillard just put the levy up by half a percent to pay for NDIS.

And that doesn’t even come close to raising what it costs.

Yeah, I think that's true.

We know it is from the numbers.

Wonder where the money's gona come from??!!!

The only place it can come from, the taxpayers.

I'm not sure people are pissed off with her on that.

Plenty are.

Yep, likely.

I think it's many other issues she stuffed up
that her ratings are pretty bad at the moment.

All of them in fact.

I think her work on school system is good,

I don’t. She's pissing MUCH more money against the
wall when the numbers of kids in schools is DROPPING.

Yeah, but it may be good to do something about it by restructuring the
school system.

Nothing like that is even being proposed.

But, I'm not sure whether her spending is doing that.

It isnt.

The real project following the Gonski review recommendations may be
too big a project for her at this stage.

Specially when she'll be lucky to even keep her seat in Sept.

No chance of her running a damned thing except the
local Labor branch either.

the problem is she's shuffling money to do that,

From tertiary education where the numbers arent dropping.

May she wants the number to drop, for whatever the reason??!!

Nar, its just a particularly stupid way of paying for it.

which is not good.

Its completely stupid.

Yeah, no argument there.

I think it's politically feasible,

I know it isnt. No one does that world wide.

Then it's time we do.

Nope.

With growing population

NOT ONE modern first world country is even
self replacing now if you take out immigration.

'cos we are having less and less children??!!

Yeah, basically. That’s why the numbers
of kids in school keeps dropping even
tho they stay longer than they used to.

The youngest turk is completing highschool
after having repeated one year. That never
happened before with someone that thick.

That’s tons of money pissed against the wall.

His older brother who is nothing like that thick still
hasn’t got a permanent job and is just another dole
bludger with wife and kid that we are paying for.

He completed highschool too.

Their mother never did go to school at all.

and growing health complications,

That’s bullshit too.

we do need a system like that.

Nope.

Capitalism, as we know and practice it, may not be conducive to such
system though.

Health care under any other system is MUCH worse.

Was it bad under Communist systems in Russia and East Germany?

Yeah, they were stupid enough to reuse
needles and spread HIV/AIDS that way.

Never managed to work out what stents and heart bypasses were about
either.

(one of my mates from Russia, who's a doctor, was really pissed off
with the communist system 'cos he
was getting paid the same as the janitor of the hospital, he's as
happy as a pig in shit to be in Australia, where such 'trauma' never
occurs. ) )

Yeah, that’s a large part of the reason their system was so hopeless.

but probably not by the current government, by the sound and looks
of it, they need miracle to survive.

Not even a miracle would do that now.

Once you get to 30% of the primary vote,
no one has EVER come back from that.

Yeah, similar drama happened to John Coward six years ago.

Nope, their primary vote never go anything like that.

We are yet to see the results of the election.

Don’t need to. No one has ever managed to
come back from a 30% primary vote, EVER.

still three more months to go.

She'll be FUCKING lucky if she manages to stay PM for that long.

Jillard might turn things around by then

Not a chance.

She'll be FUCKING lucky if she manages to stay PM for that long.

What can happen now to kick her out before that??!!

Even the most stupid Labor caucus member
realises that they are gunna be flushed down
the tubes of history in their own personal seat.

When they realise that, they will try ANYTHING.

Like bringing Rudd back?!

Time will tell.

I doubt it given the utter fiasco we saw the last time,
but in the very unlikely event that the bulk of the caucus
want him, he would certainly accept being drafted.

I just cant see the bulk of the caucus being that stupid.

Those who have some confidence that they will keep
their own seats appear to be doing things for the best
result for them after they lose the next election.

They seem to be getting desperate now. Even Bill Shorten is rumoured to
may have defected from Jillard camp.

But doesn’t appear to have the balls to see if anyone
will vote for him instead.

Bet he's waiting till Juliar loses the election as comprehsively
as NSW Labor lost theirs and then stand for leadership when
Juliar gets flushed where she belongs and Swan has lost his seat.

and become the first female fully elected PM, eh?!!

Labor only ever has a woman when
there is no chance of staying in govt.

I'm beginning to believe, that might be true.

Its been true for a long time now.

What do u reckon?!

She's dead, Jim. You into necrophilia ?

Me??! Nah.
I've seen enough of you already. )

The pet hairdresser obviously is.

He's the only bloke hairdresser in da country who happens to be not gay.

Don’t believe that last.

Give him some credits.

He lost badly,

Pigs arse he did.

Didn't he lose his seat to McKew?!!

But not BADLY.

How bad can it be losing his own seat in addition to getting kicked out
of the governent, strainght to the cemetary??!!!

He'd decided to get out,

That's bullshit.

Nope. He just didn’t see that that fool costello had
a better change of not losing the election for the govt.

He was right on that.

You know that.

Nope.

He wanted another go at being the PM

Nope. He certainly wanted to see his govt
returned, but planned to quit once it was.

and make sure his work (no)choices to be the future of industry policy.

He didn’t have to stay in parliament to see
that, just get his govt re-elected again.

He would've been most certainly lost regardless of electoral boundary
reassignment.

Wrong.

He's dead now. Forget about him.

No thanks. He leaves Juliar for dead even now on what he got done.

He's the chairman of the 'Universal conservative party', which is meant
for retired pollies with dementia.

Even sillier.

No body gives him a job anymore that matters to public. Just light a
candle for him. That's all we can do now.

He leaves Hawke for dead.

Only good thing he's done was kicking the nuts of the gun nutters in the
country. A damn good job for sure.

That was the stupidest thing he ever did.

The rest is a mess.

Nope, leaves anything the dud or Juliar has done for dead.

Focus on Tony the Abbot. He's the only one in the liberal party with a
direct connection between his and Howard's head.
He's your only hope, Jim.

Anything would be a vast improvement on the dud and Juliar.

the boundary changes made that seat unwinnable by the Libs. That’s all
that happened.

That's bullshit. Libs have won it in the last election quite comfortably.

That’s just plain wrong.

regardless of all the tax handouts.

Even sillier.

And I may need to choose between the rope and exile in Antarctica,
eh?!!

Yep.

Now, we don't have a choice and get punished by the tax man if
we don't get health insurance.

I don’t.

That because you earnings are below 84K.

Nope.

Because you don't earn at all?!!

Still wrong.


Then, help me to get it right man.

So much for living in the lucky country.

It still leaves the US and British systems for dead.

US for dead sure, but not sure about UK though.

I am on being able to use any doctor you like any time you like.

You may be right about them as well, since they have cut down lot
of public spending recently though.

That was true even before that.

But, I think there are countries out there which may have far
better system than us(Germany, etc).

Nope.

 

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All the ones I have got have been just as good as the original.

You've been lucky. First time I bought one it was about half the
capacity of the original one, when I replaced that, both
replacements were less than 15% or original, when fully-charged. I
was trying
to keep my old Razr alive because its battery life was 4-6 days,
but the most recent replacements don't even last 6 hours on
standby.

Not sure if urban myth

It is.
try freezing it in plastic bag in deep freeze
for a day then thaw it out and recharge.

That will fuck a battery.
Something to do with batteries getting a "memory"

That doesn't happen with the current battery technology.

NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again.

No, you're just plain wrong, again.

You broke my balls over this debate last time. You didn't convince me
any facts,

Doesn’t change a single fact.

and I didn't manage to convince you either.
Whether there is such effect or not,

There isnt.

I know this much, I successfully restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd
batteries by discharging them fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.

Its bullshit with NiMH.

Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
stuff.

Yep, there is no memory effect with NiMH.

and they use Li-Ion now anyway.

Yes, The latest Li-Ion technology suppose to be even better than Lead
acid batteries in terms of the power
they can hold and in some cases longevity as well, but such Li-Ion
batteries are still pretty expensive.

Not with the mobile phones being discussed they arent.

AFAIK, such high Li-Ion battery technology hasn't been introduced to
mobile phones yet.

Been there for a long time now. Even the Nokia 6310i had it
and it’s a FUCKING old stupidphone now.

I meant the latest Li-Ion ones in high end electric cars.
They are still proto-type kind of thing.
Not the traditional Li-Ion ones.
They are meant to replace Lead acid in time.
I'm yet to see that.

They are just being used for high end electric cars AFAIK.

Fraid not. Almost universal in phones now, and laptops too.

I meant the latest high tech Li-Ion ones. They are just being used in high
end electric cars.
Pretty expensive, but very effective, according to the manufacturer.
They are meant to replace the lead acid batteries in time. Dunno about that.
We have to wait and see.

In time, they may phase out lead acid batteries.

I don’t it with normal car batterys.

Lead acids are powerful and long lasting, yet as heavy as an elephant.

Not necessarily with the smaller sealed ones.

It's time to let them go I reckon.

Just not viable to do that with car batterys alone.

Downside of Li-Ion is that they are pretty capable TNT bombs in right
conditions.

They don’t actually explode, just catch fire.

You wouldn't wanna be inside an electric car, or anywhere near it, that
being caught fire.

Its no worse than a petrol car.

Having said that, gasoline cars have the gasoline tank, which is as bad
as Li-Ion or even worse I reckon?!!

Much worse in fact.

They use them in high end electric cars.

Sure, but there isnt anything in it price wise with mobile phones.

You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge
the battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

My experience so far with NiCD and NiMH says otherwise.

No it doesn’t. You're just fooling yourself.

My cordless phones all use NiMH and there is no memory effect
what so ever with those. They are never ever fully discharged and
when you use a good high quality NiMH there is never ever any
memory effect.

The word 'memory effect' may be a loose term.

It basically refers to the effect where you don’t get the full capacity
on a charge unless you discharge it completely occasionally.

But, some NiCD and NiMH batteries do get sluggish after continuous use
without fully charging them.

Not the good NiMH batterys with a well designed charger.

Then I managed to restore to acceptable levels by discharging them for
hours, slowly, using the discharge function on a charger.
Then recharge/discharge couple more times.
You may be right about the good high quality NiMH.
But, where do you get such ones?!! Can you suggest brands, sellers?!!!!

Eneloops are fine. Dick Smith has them at half price occasionally
in their email offers.

Ok. I usually go for ALDI ones. I will try them next time.

I'm not sure about the memory effect on LiIon batteries though.

There is none.

Correct.

I always am.

You are being delusional.

Nope.

Is pope catholic?!! )

Just another child molester.

Come on! You know he isn't. It's that he's hopeless at stopping it.
And the church has done a good job hiding them for past thirty-fourty years.
I don't think they will be doing it anymore, they can't afford to.

I do know, they don't like being fully discharged, just like Lead
acid batteries.

I've had some success with Motorola batteries (not always)

 

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All the ones I have got have been just as good as the original.

You've been lucky. First time I bought one it was about half the
capacity of the original one, when I replaced that, both
replacements were less than 15% or original, when fully-charged.
I was trying
to keep my old Razr alive because its battery life was 4-6 days,
but the most recent replacements don't even last 6 hours on
standby.

Not sure if urban myth

It is.
try freezing it in plastic bag in deep freeze
for a day then thaw it out and recharge.

That will fuck a battery.
Something to do with batteries getting a "memory"

That doesn't happen with the current battery technology.

NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again.

No, you're just plain wrong, again.

You broke my balls over this debate last time. You didn't convince me
any facts,

Doesn’t change a single fact.

and I didn't manage to convince you either.
Whether there is such effect or not,

There isnt.

I know this much, I successfully restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd
batteries by discharging them fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.

Its bullshit with NiMH.

Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
stuff.

Yep, there is no memory effect with NiMH.

and they use Li-Ion now anyway.

Yes, The latest Li-Ion technology suppose to be even better than Lead
acid batteries in terms of the power
they can hold and in some cases longevity as well, but such Li-Ion
batteries are still pretty expensive.

Not with the mobile phones being discussed they arent.

AFAIK, such high Li-Ion battery technology hasn't been introduced to
mobile phones yet.

Been there for a long time now. Even the Nokia 6310i had it
and it’s a FUCKING old stupidphone now.


I meant the latest Li-Ion ones in high end electric cars.
They are still proto-type kind of thing.
Not the traditional Li-Ion ones.
They are meant to replace Lead acid in time.
I'm yet to see that.

They are just being used for high end electric cars AFAIK.

Fraid not. Almost universal in phones now, and laptops too.


I meant the latest high tech Li-Ion ones. They are just being used in high
end electric cars.
Pretty expensive, but very effective, according to the manufacturer.
They are meant to replace the lead acid batteries in time. Dunno about
that.
We have to wait and see.

In time, they may phase out lead acid batteries.

I don’t it with normal car batterys.

Lead acids are powerful and long lasting, yet as heavy as an elephant.

Not necessarily with the smaller sealed ones.

It's time to let them go I reckon.

Just not viable to do that with car batterys alone.

Downside of Li-Ion is that they are pretty capable TNT bombs in right
conditions.

They don’t actually explode, just catch fire.

You wouldn't wanna be inside an electric car, or anywhere near it, that
being caught fire.

Its no worse than a petrol car.

Having said that, gasoline cars have the gasoline tank, which is as bad
as Li-Ion or even worse I reckon?!!

Much worse in fact.

They use them in high end electric cars.

Sure, but there isnt anything in it price wise with mobile phones.

You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge
the battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

My experience so far with NiCD and NiMH says otherwise.

No it doesn’t. You're just fooling yourself.

My cordless phones all use NiMH and there is no memory effect
what so ever with those. They are never ever fully discharged and
when you use a good high quality NiMH there is never ever any
memory effect.

The word 'memory effect' may be a loose term.

It basically refers to the effect where you don’t get the full capacity
on a charge unless you discharge it completely occasionally.

But, some NiCD and NiMH batteries do get sluggish after continuous use
without fully charging them.

Not the good NiMH batterys with a well designed charger.

Then I managed to restore to acceptable levels by discharging them for
hours, slowly, using the discharge function on a charger.
Then recharge/discharge couple more times.
You may be right about the good high quality NiMH.
But, where do you get such ones?!! Can you suggest brands, sellers?!!!!

Eneloops are fine. Dick Smith has them at half price occasionally
in their email offers.


Ok. I usually go for ALDI ones. I will try them next time.

I'm not sure about the memory effect on LiIon batteries though.

There is none.

Correct.

I always am.

You are being delusional.

Nope.

Is pope catholic?!! )

Just another child molester.

Come on! You know he isn't.

I know nothing of the sort. He was a school teacher for a long time.

It's that he's hopeless at stopping it.

Because he did it himself.

And the church has done a good job hiding them for past thirty-fourty
years.

And with what the popes have got up to in spades.

I don't think they will be doing it anymore,

They do anyway.

they can't afford to.

Pel hasn’t even had to flog the palace in Rome that he stays in.

I do know, they don't like being fully discharged, just like Lead
acid batteries.

I've had some success with Motorola batteries (not always)

 

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[...]
NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again. You broke my balls over this debate last time. You
didn't convince me any facts, and I didn't manage to convince you
either.
Whether there is such effect or not, I know this much, I successfully
restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd batteries by discharging them
fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.
Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
stuff.

Actually, you are both right. Rod is right with his "No", because NiMH
batteries do indeed not have a memeory effect. But you are also right
with the experience/process which you describe.

Here's an example reference which explains it:

http://www.greenbatteries.com/nibafa.html#NiMH memory

["I'm Feely Lucky" result of Google search on "nimh rechargeable
batteries memory [effect]", i.e. not *really* rocket science! :-(]

"Do NiMH batteries have memory effect?

Technically, NiMH batteries do not have a "memory effect", but strictly
speaking neither do NiCds. However NiMH batteries can experience
voltage depletion, also called voltage depression, similar to that of
NiCd batteries, but the effect is normally less noticeable. To
completely eliminate the possibility of NiMH batteries suffering any
voltage depletion effect manufacturers recommend an occasional,
complete discharge of NiMH batteries followed by a full recharge. NiMH
batteries can also be damaged by overcharge and improper storage (see
the NiCd section immediately above this one). Most users of NiMH
batteries don't have to be concerned with this voltage depletion
effect. But if you use a device say a flashlight, radio, or digital
camera for only a short time every day and then charge the batteries
every night, you will need to let the NiMH (or NiCd) batteries run down
occasionally."

That?s just plain wrong. My cordless phones all get used
like that and never ever get run down even occasionally.

My torch doesn?t either.

[...]

You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge
the
battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

Well, as the above reference explains, and as your, mine and other
people's experience confirms, Rod's quite wrong on this one.

Nope.

Like I said, I ain't capable of convincing you. You are the one with the
Chemistry experties.

Roddles is wrong. His 'counter' is meaningless. He basically says "I
haven't had problem X, so problem X doesn't exist!". That kind of
'logic' might 'work' in his parallel universe, in the real world we
don't accept such bollocks.

 

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[...]
NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again. You broke my balls over this debate last time. You
didn't convince me any facts, and I didn't manage to convince you
either.
Whether there is such effect or not, I know this much, I successfully
restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd batteries by discharging them
fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.
Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
stuff.

Actually, you are both right. Rod is right with his "No", because NiMH
batteries do indeed not have a memeory effect. But you are also right
with the experience/process which you describe.


Ok. Then we can suggest the 'memory effect' is a crude name for the voltage
depletion/depression effect?!
Since NiCD/NiMH batteries don't have memories, we can use a better term for
it as above?!!

Agreed.

Here's an example reference which explains it:

http://www.greenbatteries.com/nibafa.html#NiMH memory

["I'm Feely Lucky" result of Google search on "nimh rechargeable
batteries memory [effect]", i.e. not *really* rocket science! :-(]

"Do NiMH batteries have memory effect?

Technically, NiMH batteries do not have a "memory effect", but strictly
speaking neither do NiCds. However NiMH batteries can experience
voltage depletion, also called voltage depression, similar to that of
NiCd batteries, but the effect is normally less noticeable. To
completely eliminate the possibility of NiMH batteries suffering any
voltage depletion effect manufacturers recommend an occasional,
complete discharge of NiMH batteries followed by a full recharge. NiMH
batteries can also be damaged by overcharge and improper storage (see
the NiCd section immediately above this one). Most users of NiMH
batteries don't have to be concerned with this voltage depletion
effect. But if you use a device say a flashlight, radio, or digital
camera for only a short time every day and then charge the batteries
every night, you will need to let the NiMH (or NiCd) batteries run down
occasionally."

[...]

You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge the
battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

Well, as the above reference explains, and as your, mine and other
people's experience confirms, Rod's quite wrong on this one.

[...]

 

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[...]
NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again. You broke my balls over this debate last time. You
didn't convince me any facts, and I didn't manage to convince you
either.
Whether there is such effect or not, I know this much, I successfully
restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd batteries by discharging them
fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.
Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
stuff.

Actually, you are both right. Rod is right with his "No", because
NiMH
batteries do indeed not have a memeory effect. But you are also right
with the experience/process which you describe.

Here's an example reference which explains it:

http://www.greenbatteries.com/nibafa.html#NiMH memory

["I'm Feely Lucky" result of Google search on "nimh rechargeable
batteries memory [effect]", i.e. not *really* rocket science! :-(]

"Do NiMH batteries have memory effect?

Technically, NiMH batteries do not have a "memory effect", but
strictly
speaking neither do NiCds. However NiMH batteries can experience
voltage depletion, also called voltage depression, similar to that of
NiCd batteries, but the effect is normally less noticeable. To
completely eliminate the possibility of NiMH batteries suffering any
voltage depletion effect manufacturers recommend an occasional,
complete discharge of NiMH batteries followed by a full recharge. NiMH
batteries can also be damaged by overcharge and improper storage (see
the NiCd section immediately above this one). Most users of NiMH
batteries don't have to be concerned with this voltage depletion
effect. But if you use a device say a flashlight, radio, or digital
camera for only a short time every day and then charge the batteries
every night, you will need to let the NiMH (or NiCd) batteries run
down
occasionally."

That?s just plain wrong. My cordless phones all get used
like that and never ever get run down even occasionally.

My torch doesn?t either.

[...]

You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge
the
battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

Well, as the above reference explains, and as your, mine and other
people's experience confirms, Rod's quite wrong on this one.

Nope.

Like I said, I ain't capable of convincing you. You are the one with the
Chemistry experties.

Roddles is wrong. His 'counter' is meaningless.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

That’s the evidence that there is no memory effect with NiMH, fuckwit.

 

[Frank Slootweg]

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[...]
NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again. You broke my balls over this debate last time. You
didn't convince me any facts, and I didn't manage to convince you
either.
Whether there is such effect or not, I know this much, I successfully
restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd batteries by discharging them
fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.
Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
stuff.

Actually, you are both right. Rod is right with his "No", because
NiMH
batteries do indeed not have a memeory effect. But you are also right
with the experience/process which you describe.

Here's an example reference which explains it:

http://www.greenbatteries.com/nibafa.html#NiMH memory

["I'm Feely Lucky" result of Google search on "nimh rechargeable
batteries memory [effect]", i.e. not *really* rocket science! :-(]

"Do NiMH batteries have memory effect?

Technically, NiMH batteries do not have a "memory effect", but
strictly
speaking neither do NiCds. However NiMH batteries can experience
voltage depletion, also called voltage depression, similar to that of
NiCd batteries, but the effect is normally less noticeable. To
completely eliminate the possibility of NiMH batteries suffering any
voltage depletion effect manufacturers recommend an occasional,
complete discharge of NiMH batteries followed by a full recharge. NiMH
batteries can also be damaged by overcharge and improper storage (see
the NiCd section immediately above this one). Most users of NiMH
batteries don't have to be concerned with this voltage depletion
effect. But if you use a device say a flashlight, radio, or digital
camera for only a short time every day and then charge the batteries
every night, you will need to let the NiMH (or NiCd) batteries run
down
occasionally."

That?s just plain wrong. My cordless phones all get used
like that and never ever get run down even occasionally.

My torch doesn?t either.

[...]

You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge
the
battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

Well, as the above reference explains, and as your, mine and other
people's experience confirms, Rod's quite wrong on this one.

Nope.

Like I said, I ain't capable of convincing you. You are the one with the
Chemistry experties.

Roddles is wrong. His 'counter' is meaningless.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

That?s the evidence that there is no memory effect with NiMH, fuckwit.

I would think that a 'chemistry expert' would know the difference
between the blue and pink pills, but apparently this particular one
doesn't.

 

[Rod Speed]

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Damian <damianandrews@y7mail.com> wrote:

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"Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
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"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[...]
NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again. You broke my balls over this debate last time.
You
didn't convince me any facts, and I didn't manage to convince you
either.
Whether there is such effect or not, I know this much, I
successfully
restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd batteries by discharging them
fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.
Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
stuff.

Actually, you are both right. Rod is right with his "No", because
NiMH
batteries do indeed not have a memeory effect. But you are also
right
with the experience/process which you describe.

Here's an example reference which explains it:

http://www.greenbatteries.com/nibafa.html#NiMH memory

["I'm Feely Lucky" result of Google search on "nimh rechargeable
batteries memory [effect]", i.e. not *really* rocket science! :-(]

"Do NiMH batteries have memory effect?

Technically, NiMH batteries do not have a "memory effect", but
strictly
speaking neither do NiCds. However NiMH batteries can experience
voltage depletion, also called voltage depression, similar to that
of
NiCd batteries, but the effect is normally less noticeable. To
completely eliminate the possibility of NiMH batteries suffering
any
voltage depletion effect manufacturers recommend an occasional,
complete discharge of NiMH batteries followed by a full recharge.
NiMH
batteries can also be damaged by overcharge and improper storage
(see
the NiCd section immediately above this one). Most users of NiMH
batteries don't have to be concerned with this voltage depletion
effect. But if you use a device say a flashlight, radio, or
digital
camera for only a short time every day and then charge the
batteries
every night, you will need to let the NiMH (or NiCd) batteries run
down
occasionally."

That?s just plain wrong. My cordless phones all get used
like that and never ever get run down even occasionally.

My torch doesn?t either.

[...]

You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to
discharge
the
battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

Well, as the above reference explains, and as your, mine and other
people's experience confirms, Rod's quite wrong on this one.

Nope.

Like I said, I ain't capable of convincing you. You are the one with
the
Chemistry experties.

Roddles is wrong. His 'counter' is meaningless.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

That?s the evidence that there is no memory effect with NiMH, fuckwit.

I would think that a 'chemistry expert' would know the difference
between the blue and pink pills, but apparently this particular one
doesn't.

Like I said, you never ever could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

 

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Rod Speed wrote

All the ones I have got have been just as good as the original.

You've been lucky. First time I bought one it was about half the
capacity of the original one, when I replaced that, both
replacements were less than 15% or original, when fully-charged.
I was trying
to keep my old Razr alive because its battery life was 4-6 days,
but the most recent replacements don't even last 6 hours on
standby.

Not sure if urban myth

It is.
try freezing it in plastic bag in deep freeze
for a day then thaw it out and recharge.

That will fuck a battery.
Something to do with batteries getting a "memory"

That doesn't happen with the current battery technology.

NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again.

No, you're just plain wrong, again.

You broke my balls over this debate last time. You didn't convince me
any facts,

Doesn’t change a single fact.

and I didn't manage to convince you either.
Whether there is such effect or not,

There isnt.

I know this much, I successfully restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd
batteries by discharging them fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.

Its bullshit with NiMH.

Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
stuff.

Yep, there is no memory effect with NiMH.

and they use Li-Ion now anyway.

Yes, The latest Li-Ion technology suppose to be even better than Lead
acid batteries in terms of the power
they can hold and in some cases longevity as well, but such Li-Ion
batteries are still pretty expensive.

Not with the mobile phones being discussed they arent.

AFAIK, such high Li-Ion battery technology hasn't been introduced to
mobile phones yet.

Been there for a long time now. Even the Nokia 6310i had it
and it’s a FUCKING old stupidphone now.


I meant the latest Li-Ion ones in high end electric cars.
They are still proto-type kind of thing.
Not the traditional Li-Ion ones.
They are meant to replace Lead acid in time.
I'm yet to see that.

They are just being used for high end electric cars AFAIK.

Fraid not. Almost universal in phones now, and laptops too.


I meant the latest high tech Li-Ion ones. They are just being used in high
end electric cars.
Pretty expensive, but very effective, according to the manufacturer.
They are meant to replace the lead acid batteries in time. Dunno about
that.
We have to wait and see.

In time, they may phase out lead acid batteries.

I don’t it with normal car batterys.

Lead acids are powerful and long lasting, yet as heavy as an elephant.

Not necessarily with the smaller sealed ones.

It's time to let them go I reckon.

Just not viable to do that with car batterys alone.

Downside of Li-Ion is that they are pretty capable TNT bombs in right
conditions.

They don’t actually explode, just catch fire.

You wouldn't wanna be inside an electric car, or anywhere near it, that
being caught fire.

Its no worse than a petrol car.

Having said that, gasoline cars have the gasoline tank, which is as bad
as Li-Ion or even worse I reckon?!!

Much worse in fact.

They use them in high end electric cars.

Sure, but there isnt anything in it price wise with mobile phones.

You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge
the battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

My experience so far with NiCD and NiMH says otherwise.

No it doesn’t. You're just fooling yourself.

My cordless phones all use NiMH and there is no memory effect
what so ever with those. They are never ever fully discharged and
when you use a good high quality NiMH there is never ever any
memory effect.

The word 'memory effect' may be a loose term.

It basically refers to the effect where you don’t get the full capacity
on a charge unless you discharge it completely occasionally.

But, some NiCD and NiMH batteries do get sluggish after continuous use
without fully charging them.

Not the good NiMH batterys with a well designed charger.

Then I managed to restore to acceptable levels by discharging them for
hours, slowly, using the discharge function on a charger.
Then recharge/discharge couple more times.
You may be right about the good high quality NiMH.
But, where do you get such ones?!! Can you suggest brands, sellers?!!!!

Eneloops are fine. Dick Smith has them at half price occasionally
in their email offers.


Ok. I usually go for ALDI ones. I will try them next time.

http://www.dicksmith.com.au/eneloop-tones-rechargeable-batteries

I'm not sure about the memory effect on LiIon batteries though.

There is none.

Correct.

I always am.

You are being delusional.

Nope.

Is pope catholic?!! )

Just another child molester.


Come on! You know he isn't. It's that he's hopeless at stopping it.
And the church has done a good job hiding them for past thirty-fourty
years.
I don't think they will be doing it anymore, they can't afford to.

I do know, they don't like being fully discharged, just like Lead
acid batteries.

I've had some success with Motorola batteries (not always)

 

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Rod Speed wrote



All the ones I have got have been just as good as the original.



You've been lucky. First time I bought one it was about half the

capacity of the original one, when I replaced that, both

replacements were less than 15% or original, when fully-charged. I

was trying

to keep my old Razr alive because its battery life was 4-6 days,

but the most recent replacements don't even last 6 hours on

standby.



Not sure if urban myth



It is.

try freezing it in plastic bag in deep freeze

for a day then thaw it out and recharge.



That will fuck a battery.

Something to do with batteries getting a "memory"



That doesn't happen with the current battery technology.



NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.



No,



Here we go again.



No, you're just plain wrong, again.



You broke my balls over this debate last time. You didn't convince me

any facts,



Doesn�t change a single fact.



and I didn't manage to convince you either.

Whether there is such effect or not,



There isnt.



I know this much, I successfully restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd

batteries by discharging them fullly and recharging them again.

I had to do it couple or times or more though.



Its bullshit with NiMH.



Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this

stuff.



Yep, there is no memory effect with NiMH.



and they use Li-Ion now anyway.



Yes, The latest Li-Ion technology suppose to be even better than Lead

acid batteries in terms of the power

they can hold and in some cases longevity as well, but such Li-Ion

batteries are still pretty expensive.



Not with the mobile phones being discussed they arent.



AFAIK, such high Li-Ion battery technology hasn't been introduced to

mobile phones yet.



Been there for a long time now. Even the Nokia 6310i had it

and it�s a FUCKING old stupidphone now.



They are just being used for high end electric cars AFAIK.



Fraid not. Almost universal in phones now, and laptops too.



In time, they may phase out lead acid batteries.



I don�t it with normal car batterys.



Lead acids are powerful and long lasting, yet as heavy as an elephant.



Not necessarily with the smaller sealed ones.



It's time to let them go I reckon.



Just not viable to do that with car batterys alone.



Downside of Li-Ion is that they are pretty capable TNT bombs in right

conditions.



They don�t actually explode, just catch fire.



You wouldn't wanna be inside an electric car, or anywhere near it, that

being caught fire.



Its no worse than a petrol car.



Having said that, gasoline cars have the gasoline tank, which is as bad as

Li-Ion or even worse I reckon?!!



Much worse in fact.



They use them in high end electric cars.



Sure, but there isnt anything in it price wise with mobile phones.



You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge the

battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.



No.



My experience so far with NiCD and NiMH says otherwise.



No it doesn�t. You're just fooling yourself.



My cordless phones all use NiMH and there is no memory effect

what so ever with those. They are never ever fully discharged and

when you use a good high quality NiMH there is never ever any

memory effect.



The word 'memory effect' may be a loose term.



It basically refers to the effect where you don�t get the full capacity

on a charge unless you discharge it completely occasionally.



But, some NiCD and NiMH batteries do get sluggish after continuous use

without fully charging them.



Not the good NiMH batterys with a well designed charger.



Then I managed to restore to acceptable levels by discharging them for

hours, slowly, using the discharge function on a charger.

Then recharge/discharge couple more times.

You may be right about the good high quality NiMH.

But, where do you get such ones?!! Can you suggest brands, sellers?!!!!



Eneloops are fine. Dick Smith has them at half price occasionally

in their email offers.

http://www.dicksmith.com.au/eneloop-tones-rechargeable-batteries

I'm not sure about the memory effect on LiIon batteries though.



There is none.



Correct.



I always am.



You are being delusional.



Nope.



Is pope catholic?!! )



Just another child molester.



I do know, they don't like being fully discharged, just like Lead acid

batteries.



I've had some success with Motorola batteries (not always)