Microwave oven

[Phil Allison]

three_jeeps wrote:

https://www.repairfaq.org/sam/micfaq.htm#micpre

j

like so many documents, too many errors early in the
piece to finish reading.


NT

Care to elaborate on the errors?

** The is nothing wrong with the information in the link.

There is EVERYTHING wrong with NT's lunatic ideas.

The strong and very correct warning out the risk of going inside a microwave oven:

" Careless troubleshooting of a microwave oven can result in death or worse.. Experienced technicians have met their maker as a result of a momentary lapse of judgement while testing an oven with the cover removed. Microwave ovens are without a doubt, the most deadly type of consumer electronic equipment in wide spread use. "


NT is a dangerous, raving nut case who needs to be driven off usenet.



...... Phil

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 13:14:02 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

A simple nonsequitur. You might not wish to do a minor repair to save
$100-400, but some do. And sometimes getting an oven that fits a certain
space can be tricky, repairing is then much quicker.

And of course it's not all about the money. AFAIC, the prime motivation
is not throwing out a perfectly serviceable appliance simply because it
"packed up one day" when the fault most often is the failure of some
minor component costing just pennies.

If there's one thing I can't stomach, it's waste. It's verging on
criminal for someone with an electrical background to not even bother to
investigate the cause of a problem in an electrical appliance.





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[Cursitor Doom]

On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:11:09 -0500, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

A cheap microwave for under $30 used.
And a new toaster oven for under $30.

Any questions?

Your *own* microwave back in service for under $3 worth of parts and half
an hour of your time.
No contest.





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[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/26/19 8:43 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:11:09 -0500, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

A cheap microwave for under $30 used.
And a new toaster oven for under $30.

Any questions?

Your *own* microwave back in service for under $3 worth of parts and half
an hour of your time.
No contest.

Have you priced a mechanical timer? Or a CPU based controller?



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On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 22:11:17 UTC, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

On 3/26/19 4:55 PM, tabbypurr wrote:
On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 20:56:32 UTC, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
On 3/26/19 3:14 PM, tabbypurr wrote:

A simple nonsequitur. You might not wish to do a minor repair
to save $100-400, but some do. And sometimes getting an oven
that fits a certain space can be tricky, repairing is then
much quicker.

I haven't paid more than $30 for a microwave oven in the past
20 years. And typically between $15-20 at the Good Will.

The two failures I've had were the processor based control from
The first one just quit working. In retrospect it might have
just been something loose from moving to Texas. The other was
a "twist the knob" timer. The knob fell apart. I found a new,
not matching, knob and found out why the old one broke. The
mechanical timer seized up.

One of the microwaves I bought, I paid $10 for and rewound the
transformer to turn it into a spot welder.

But, hey, if you want to spend $100-400 on a microwave oven, be
my guest.

Combi cookers are in that price range, and hard to find used.


NT


A cheap microwave for under $30 used.
And a new toaster oven for under $30.

Any questions?

Yes. What wally thinks a cheap nuke and a toaster oven is a good replacement for a combi oven?

 

On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 02:16:55 UTC, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

On 3/26/19 8:43 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:11:09 -0500, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

A cheap microwave for under $30 used.
And a new toaster oven for under $30.

Any questions?

Your *own* microwave back in service for under $3 worth of parts and half
an hour of your time.
No contest.

Have you priced a mechanical timer? Or a CPU based controller?

I don't recall paying more than around $3 for a dead nuke for tranplant purposes.
And a lot of faults are cheap parts like diodes & fuses.


NT

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

On Tuesday, March 26, 2019 at 4:14:04 PM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

> A simple nonsequitur. You might not wish to do a minor repair to save $100-400, but some do. And sometimes getting an oven that fits a certain space can be tricky, repairing is then much quicker.

OK - let's cut to the chase:

a) Combination Microwave Ovens are much like BMW cars. Wannabes. As a BMW wannabe a Porsche or Wannabe a Mercedes, but does neither as well, a combination microwave does neither function as well as a dedicated oven. That is not to suggest that a BMW is not a well-made vehicle, but that it is neither a Porsche nor a Mercedes.

b) "For a certain space" - Fitting a function to a specific device has consequences, and in the case of a failure, not good ones. And, for the record, when it comes to a kitchen, aesthetics will ALWAYS defer to function, cleanliness and good light on our house. It is entirely possible to have both, but built-in devices are difficult to service, often difficult to replace quickly - as in on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, or Christmas Eve.

c) Quicker - sure. If the parts are in hand and/or the problem is simple. If not, I could have a new *insert appliance here* installed in our house within 24 hours at the outside, and if on a non-holiday before 8:00 pm, within 2 hours.

d) Waste and Landfill - metal parts, appliances and such in this region go to Acelor-Mittal in Coatesville, PA, where they are shredded, materials separated, then become new steel in the oldest continuously operating steel mill in the United States - over 206 years.

https://usa.arcelormittal.com/our-operations/steelmaking/coatesville

https://hsp.org/blogs/archival-adventures-in-small-repositories/the-land-of-iron-and-steel

So, at one level, recycling steel reduces the use of energy, mine waste, transportation, coking, smelting and so forth. And. Acelor's shredding plant pulls out the copper, aluminum, glass and plastics as well - all highly automated.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 21:16:48 -0500, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

On 3/26/19 8:43 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:11:09 -0500, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

A cheap microwave for under $30 used.
And a new toaster oven for under $30.

Any questions?

Your *own* microwave back in service for under $3 worth of parts and
half an hour of your time.
No contest.

Have you priced a mechanical timer? Or a CPU based controller?

Why on earth would I? Only a fuse and a diode failed!





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On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 12:44:22 UTC, pf...@aol.com wrote:

On Tuesday, March 26, 2019 at 4:14:04 PM UTC-4, tabby wrote:

A simple nonsequitur. You might not wish to do a minor repair to save $100-400, but some do. And sometimes getting an oven that fits a certain space can be tricky, repairing is then much quicker.

OK - let's cut to the chase:

a) Combination Microwave Ovens are much like BMW cars. Wannabes. As a BMW wannabe a Porsche or Wannabe a Mercedes, but does neither as well, a combination microwave does neither function as well as a dedicated oven. That is not to suggest that a BMW is not a well-made vehicle, but that it is neither a Porsche nor a Mercedes.

Firstly that's total rubbish. They also do what a separate nuke & oven never can, even if you don't know how they work.
Second, your opinion on other people's appliance buying decisions really has nothing to do with whether they're better repaired or chucked.
3rd there is nowhere here you can go to buy a used combi cooker, they're seldom sold used, so there is no quick cheap availability.


> b) "For a certain space" - Fitting a function to a specific device has consequences, and in the case of a failure, not good ones. And, for the record, when it comes to a kitchen, aesthetics will ALWAYS defer to function, cleanliness and good light on our house. It is entirely possible to have both, but built-in devices are difficult to service, often difficult to replace quickly - as in on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, or Christmas Eve.

too much waffle, a little nonsense. One of the reasons some buyers get combis is lack of enough space for separate appliances. In those cases they're often fitted appliances, making getting a replacment harder & more expensive than a simple new buy.


> c) Quicker - sure. If the parts are in hand and/or the problem is simple. If not, I could have a new *insert appliance here* installed in our house within 24 hours at the outside, and if on a non-holiday before 8:00 pm, within 2 hours.

again what do your appliance buying policies have to do with others' choices?


> d) Waste and Landfill - metal parts, appliances and such in this region go to Acelor-Mittal in Coatesville, PA, where they are shredded, materials separated, then become new steel in the oldest continuously operating steel mill in the United States - over 206 years.

Guess what, most of the world is not in PA, and most of the world does not run according to US practices.


NT

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/27/19 11:56 AM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
> again what do your appliance buying policies have to do with others' choices?

What makes your opinion more valid than his?

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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:25:30 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, 25 March 2019 20:08:42 UTC, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

If the microwave oven doesn't kill you, perhaps the popcorn will?
"Man shocked to death by exploding microwave"
https://www.news24.com/World/News/man-shocked-to-death-by-exploding-microwave-20181109
Please remember that you have only one life to give to your hobby or
profession.

Which part of a microwave is even capable of explosion?

It's difficult to tell from the article, which offers several
theories. The first paragraph suggests that microwave exploded,
giving him a shock. The fifth paragraph suggests that he was
electrocuted. Forensic investigators are still investigating. The
usual online expert claimed "The high-voltage microwave oven may have
charged something intentionally left inside and caused the explosion"
which I presume means he left a hand grenade in the oven while
preparing the popcorn. Another suggested that he was murdered by his
wife and then blamed the microwave. For all I know, it could have
been the vacuum cleaners fault.

I prefer to believe that he was killed by the popcorn. Popcorn is
normally quite safe prepared in a microwave oven, as long as each
kernel pops at a different time. However, if all the kernels were to
pop at exactly the same time, they might produce a steam explosion.
Statistically, that's very unlikely, but still possible.

This is what happens when I cooked a yam for 16 minutes instead of 6
minutes:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/burned-yam.html>
There was no explosion, but there was plenty of fire, smoke, and
stench. When I opened the door, the inside of the yam was glowing
dull red.

Why do microwaves explode?
<https://www.quora.com/Why-do-microwaves-explode>

>And how would said explosion result in electrocution?

Good questions. I don't have an answer. Explosive disassembly
normally disconnects the wires that might present an electrocution
hazard. In this situation, explosive assembly (with burns) is very
unlikely.

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 20:12:43 UTC, Fox's Mercantile wrote:

On 3/27/19 11:56 AM, tabbypurr wrote:

again what do your appliance buying policies have to do with others' choices?

What makes your opinion more valid than his?

ookay. I'm done here.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 12:33:45 -0700 (PDT), "pfjw@aol.com"
<peterwieck33@gmail.com> wrote:

... there is no reason on this planet to attempt to repair
such a device...

Waving money at me is usually sufficient reason.

I've only repaired a few microwave ovens. Maybe 10 or so. Most of
the repairs were inspired by the owner having purchased a microwave
oven that was built into a kitchen cabinet, RV cabinet, or was in some
way unique (i.e. smart kitchen with remote controls). All of them
were quite old. Amazingly, I was able to find old stock parts, but at
the usual exorbitant prices. I charged far more for the repair than
the cost of a new microwave oven. None of the owners complained about
the price.

Incidentally, one of these oven repairs had a few broken plastic
parts. I had a machine shop make one from my drawings. It was NOT
cheap. Today, I might try a 3D printing service for appliance parts:
<https://3dprint.com/138241/happy-3d-replacement-parts/>
<https://www.yeggi.com/q/appliance+parts/>
etc...


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[John Robertson]

On 2019/03/27 5:36 p.m., Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:25:30 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, 25 March 2019 20:08:42 UTC, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

If the microwave oven doesn't kill you, perhaps the popcorn will?
....

This is what happens when I cooked a yam for 16 minutes instead of 6
minutes:
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/burned-yam.html
There was no explosion, but there was plenty of fire, smoke, and
stench. When I opened the door, the inside of the yam was glowing
dull red.

You aren't married, are you Jeff?

If you are then she is a gem if she lets you blow stuff up in the kitchen!

John ;-#)#

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 3/27/19 7:49 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 20:12:43 UTC, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
On 3/27/19 11:56 AM, tabbypurr wrote:

again what do your appliance buying policies have to do with others' choices?

What makes your opinion more valid than his?

ookay. I'm done here.

Good.

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Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 18:13:55 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
wrote:

On 2019/03/27 5:36 p.m., Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:25:30 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, 25 March 2019 20:08:42 UTC, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

If the microwave oven doesn't kill you, perhaps the popcorn will?
...

This is what happens when I cooked a yam for 16 minutes instead of 6
minutes:
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/burned-yam.html
There was no explosion, but there was plenty of fire, smoke, and
stench. When I opened the door, the inside of the yam was glowing
dull red.

You aren't married, are you Jeff?

Yes, I are not married, and yes, I are Jeff. (Please don't ask a
negative question, and then append a positive question. It's rather
confusing):
<https://theweek.com/articles/451975/problem-positive-answers-negative-questions>

Most of the women I invite to my lair initially look around in silent
shock, and then ask "You live like this"? I've discovered over the
years that this means that they are calculating if it possible to
domesticate me. The answer is usually clear when they discover two
refrigerators in the kitchen. A small one for food, and a larger one
for chemicals, batteries, and emergency supplies. Punching 16 minutes
into the microwave oven timer instead of 6 minutes is a much lesser
crime.

>If you are then she is a gem if she lets you blow stuff up in the kitchen!

It didn't explode. I just shot flaming "guts of yam" all over the
oven walls, filled the kitchen with smoke, set off the smoke alarm,
and smelled rather awful for about a month. The painted (or possibly
powder coated) white interior of the Panasonic inverter oven was badly
stained orange by the yam smoke. None of the common kitchen chemicals
would remove the stains. I decided that toxic chemicals in the
microwave was a bad idea, so I resorted to small right angle buffer
and some abrasive grit. That was sufficient to make the oven
presentable. However, I had to tear it apart to clean the ducting,
where the common kitchen cleaners were functional.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[John-Del]

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 10:43:41 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

You aren't married, are you Jeff?

Yes, I are not married, and yes, I are Jeff. (Please don't ask a
negative question, and then append a positive question. It's rather
confusing):

LOL! You're a twit Jeff, but the kind of twit I love!!

Actually, his statement is far more clumsy when written. When said out-loud, it's not nearly as confusing (although admittedly still incorrect). Said out loud, it might sound like two sentences - one a statement, and the other a question asked after considering the statement part.

Funny stuff though.

 

[John Robertson]

On 2019/03/28 5:04 a.m., John-Del wrote:

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 10:43:41 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:


You aren't married, are you Jeff?

Yes, I are not married, and yes, I are Jeff. (Please don't ask a
negative question, and then append a positive question. It's rather
confusing):

LOL! You're a twit Jeff, but the kind of twit I love!!

Actually, his statement is far more clumsy when written. When said out-loud, it's not nearly as confusing (although admittedly still incorrect). Said out loud, it might sound like two sentences - one a statement, and the other a question asked after considering the statement part.

Funny stuff though.

Jeeze, I put a comma where it doesn't belong and get a holy !@#$ storm!

(ducking).

Opps!

John ;-#)#