Merry Christmas! OBDII Android/iOS freeware recommendations

[nospam]

In article <q0ci0c$agp$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

Maybe, if a million iPhone users were asking for it...  Buying the Apple
hardware to develop on, learning the new toolchain, and dealing with the
Apple store puts a little bump in the road. For Android you download
Android Studio to your Windows box, pick up a cheap Android device, and
you're good to go. I just bought a 7" B&N Nook for $50. It's no
powerhouse but it's acceptable. Apple might be trimming prices a bit but
they're not there yet.

True, it's much more efficient to develop specialized, non-consumer
apps, on Android, as well as being easier to deploy them. Apple is
solely consumer-electronics focused, with little interest in supporting
niche markets.

completely false.

developing and deploying for ios is a lot easier than android,
regardless of what type of app it is, largely because of the zillions
of devices needed to support and test, and apple is *not* solely
consumer focused in the least.

There are other advantages to developing for Android as well, including
much more complete support for industry standards like Bluetooth and
NMEA.

more bs. apple was first to support bluetooth le on a mobile device.

I don't think that the cost of buying a Mac, when developing an
iOS app, is really an issue. You can just buy a used Mac Mini for a
couple of hundred dollars. But deploying an iOS app to a niche market is
more of an issue.

nonsense. niche markets can be very lucrative, and because of that can
easily justify much more than a used mac for development.

 

[rbowman]

On 12/31/2018 01:18 AM, nospam wrote:

developing and deploying for ios is a lot easier than android,
regardless of what type of app it is, largely because of the zillions
of devices needed to support and test, and apple is *not* solely
consumer focused in the least.

https://www.technewsworld.com/story/21320.html

How's that Xserve doing? Oh, I forgot. It was discontinued in 2011 to be
replaced by Mac Pro Server. How's that one going? Oops, it lasted two years.

You keep saying Apple is not solely consumer focused. So where has it
penetrated enterprise level solutions?

 

[nospam]

In article <g8v4lqFa9chU1@mid.individual.net>, rbowman
<bowman@montana.com> wrote:

You keep saying Apple is not solely consumer focused. So where has it
penetrated enterprise level solutions?

pretty much everywhere. take off your blinders and look around.

<https://blog.code42.com/the-growth-of-macs-in-the-enterprise-is-challen
ging-the-pcs-dominance/>
The PC has long been the default choice for business computers, but
perhaps not for much longer. The growth of Macs in the enterprise has
been exponential in recent years, as illustrated by the infographic
below.
....
Simpler IT support for Macs and a high level of user self-service
drive the bulk of this cost savings. IBM reports that just 3.5
percent of its Mac users currently call the help desk, compared to 25
percent of its PC users. Media company Buzzfeed maintains only a
small IT staff for its thousands of employees­only 30-35 employees
use Windows machines, while the rest operate on Macs

infographic:
<https://blog.code42.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Growth-of-Macs-in-th
e-Enterprise.png>


ibm, of all companies, has what is likely the largest mac deployment,
with *half* of their employees having macs:
<https://www.businessinsider.com/an-ibm-it-guy-macs-are-300-cheaper-to-o
wn-than-windows-2016-10>
At that time, some 30,000 IBM employees were using Macs. Today 90,000
of them are, he said. And IBM ultimately plans to distribute 150,000
to 200,000 Macs to workers, meaning about half of IBM's approximately
370,000 employees will have Macs.

the real growth is in the mobile space, as it is everywhere, not just
enterprise. mobile is the future.

airlines in particular are using ipads:
<https://www.cnet.com/news/singapore-airline-pilots-get-digitized-with-i
pads/>
But Singapore Airlines wants to change that for its pilots -- and
it's leveraging Apple's iPad to do so to make the "pilot duty
process" easier for its frequent flyers. The airline started looking
into this back in 2015, before rolling out iPads loaded with two
essential custom apps, FlyNow and Roster. These iPads are secured
with Apple's TouchID, letting them ditch the previously used
two-factor authentication dongles pilots had to carry around. That's
on top of the other apps that give pilots detailed weather
information and flight charting information.

note the 'custom app' part, which you incorrectly claimed was not
possible on ios devices. it's very possible and widely done, and quite
a bit easier with higher quality apps than with android.

more *custom* mobile apps:
<https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ibm-and-united-airlines-collab
orate-on-enterprise-ios-apps-to-transform-travel-experience-300401163.ht
ml>
IBM (NYSE: IBM) and United Airlines today announced a collaboration
to deliver a robust suite of enterprise iOS apps, unleashing the
power of the more than 50,000 iOS devices in the hands of the
airline's front-line employees. As part of IBM and Apple's global
partnership to redefine the way work gets done, these
made-for-business apps will be powered by analytics and customized
to further drive the airline's digital transformation, enhancing how
United serves its customers.

<https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-ge-partner-to-bring-predix-apps-to-
ios/>
General Electric is partnering with Apple to develop mobile apps for
industrial operators that will bring analytics from GE's Predix
platform to Apple's iPads and iPhones.
....
For Apple, the Cupertino tech giant has partnered with a number of
software companies in an effort to push iOS apps for the enterprise
-- including IBM, Cisco, Deloitte, and SAP -- but the GE partnership
goes a bit deeper.

delta is switching from microsoft surface to ipad:
<http://fortune.com/2017/10/23/delta-airlines-microsoft-surface-apple-ip
hone-ipad/>
Delta Air Lines will provide nearly 30,000 flight crew members with
Apple iPads and iPhones, reversing course from a high-profile deal
announced four years ago that armed flight crews with Microsoft
hardware.

 

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-12-31, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 12/31/2018 01:18 AM, nospam wrote:
developing and deploying for ios is a lot easier than android,
regardless of what type of app it is, largely because of the zillions
of devices needed to support and test, and apple is *not* solely
consumer focused in the least.

https://www.technewsworld.com/story/21320.html

How's that Xserve doing?

The Xserve has absolutely nothing to do with how easy it is to develop
mobile apps for iOS and Android. HARD FAIL. Troll harder. That attempt
was pitiful.

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[nospam]

In article <g8vhehFcpp0U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

developing and deploying for ios is a lot easier than android,
regardless of what type of app it is, largely because of the zillions
of devices needed to support and test, and apple is *not* solely
consumer focused in the least.

https://www.technewsworld.com/story/21320.html

How's that Xserve doing?

The Xserve has absolutely nothing to do with how easy it is to develop
mobile apps for iOS and Android. HARD FAIL. Troll harder. That attempt
was pitiful.

to be fair, he was referring to the consumer focus part, although that
was just a small part of the entire comment.

and there's much more to enterprise than an xserve.

 

[rbowman]

On 12/31/2018 02:53 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2018-12-31, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On 12/31/2018 01:18 AM, nospam wrote:
developing and deploying for ios is a lot easier than android,
regardless of what type of app it is, largely because of the zillions
of devices needed to support and test, and apple is *not* solely
consumer focused in the least.

https://www.technewsworld.com/story/21320.html

How's that Xserve doing?

The Xserve has absolutely nothing to do with how easy it is to develop
mobile apps for iOS and Android. HARD FAIL. Troll harder. That attempt
was pitiful.

Jolly, did your education include reading comprehension? nospam asserted
Apple is not solely focused on consumers. My reply was their attempted
foray into the enterprise world was a failure.

Note: I am not saying iPad and iPhones cannot serve as thin clients in
an enterprise environment, but then so can a Chromebook.

 

[nospam]

In article <g8viilFd6liU1@mid.individual.net>, rbowman
<bowman@montana.com> wrote:

developing and deploying for ios is a lot easier than android,
regardless of what type of app it is, largely because of the zillions
of devices needed to support and test, and apple is *not* solely
consumer focused in the least.

https://www.technewsworld.com/story/21320.html

How's that Xserve doing?

The Xserve has absolutely nothing to do with how easy it is to develop
mobile apps for iOS and Android. HARD FAIL. Troll harder. That attempt
was pitiful.


Jolly, did your education include reading comprehension? nospam asserted
Apple is not solely focused on consumers. My reply was their attempted
foray into the enterprise world was a failure.

there's *much* more to enterprise than just xserve. much, much more.

Note: I am not saying iPad and iPhones cannot serve as thin clients in
an enterprise environment, but then so can a Chromebook.

two different use cases.

ipads and iphones have *very* powerful processors and can do a *lot*
more than just be a thin client, whereas that's about all a chromebook
is.

for education, chromebook is a very good choice. if one is damaged (and
kids will definitely damage them), replace it, log in and continue.

no single product works for every use case. pick the best tool for the
job.

 

[rbowman]

On 12/31/2018 03:34 PM, nospam wrote:

there's *much* more to enterprise than just xserve. much, much more.

Whatever. Have a Happy New Year filled with apples.

 

[Jolly Roger]

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

On 12/26/2018 7:03 PM, arlen holder wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 15:30:14 -0500, nospam wrote:

nonsense. not only are there equivalents, there are even better options.

Please just name one (link) if that's the case.

LOL, you often see inquiries for an iOS app with all the functionality
of Torque Pro. Unfortunately there's no such animal.

Bullshit. You obviously haven’t looked very hard.

I’ve been using the Carista BLE Bluetooth adapter with the OBD Fusion iOS
app for a while now, and it is such an animal. It works great on multiple
cars I’ve used it with:

<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/obd-fusion/id650684932?mt=8>

<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YVHGTBM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_DM4kCbPHPTJAS>

I don't know why
the author doesn't port it to iOS

It’s not needed on iOS.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/engine-link-obd-ii-vehicle/id591557194?mt=8
is rated 2.4 out of 5. They do explain that only certain types of OBD-II
dongles will work.

Crappy app there. No thanks.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.prowl.torque&hl=en_US
is rated 4.5 out of 5. It just has a lot more functionality.

OBD Fusion is rated 4.7 out of 5 by 4820 people on the iOS App Store.

Still puzzled as to why the Bluetooth SPP profile was left out of iOS.
No one has ever had a good answer to that.

It’s not needed.

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[sms]

On 1/1/2019 7:45 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:

<snip>

> OBD Fusion is rated 4.7 out of 5 by 4820 people on the iOS App Store.

Don't you love the footnote on their web site: "Generic ELM327 Bluetooth
adapters are not compatible with OBD Fusion for iOS. This is a
limitiation of iOS, not OBD Fusion."

But it does look like a good app. Glad to see that 4820 users have rated
it, and that it got such a high rating. OTOH, Torque Pro has a 4.5
rating, and 55,575 ratings and more than a million downloads. Could be
because OBD Fusion is more than 2x the price. $5 seems to be the price
point where people will not think about the cost of an app.

Still wondering why iOS doesn't allow the Bluetooth Serial Port Profile
(SPP). SPP is used by a huge number of industrial devices which can't
have apps on iOS which is a shame.

 

[nospam]

In article <q0gt0c$ltj$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

Still wondering why iOS doesn't allow the Bluetooth Serial Port Profile
(SPP).

because spp is obsolete.

bluetooth 4/le is *much* easier to use, both for users and developers,
as well as being faster and more reliable.

SPP is used by a huge number of industrial devices which can't
have apps on iOS which is a shame.

actually, very few.

and if those manufacturers updated their hardware to bluetooth le, they
likely wouldn't need to write an app since bluetooth le has numerous
standard characteristics that are *already* natively supported by ios.

as i said, spp is obsolete.

 

[Jolly Roger]

On 2019-01-01, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

On 1/1/2019 7:45 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:

snip

OBD Fusion is rated 4.7 out of 5 by 4820 people on the iOS App Store.

Don't you love the footnote on their web site: "Generic ELM327
Bluetooth adapters are not compatible with OBD Fusion for iOS. This is
a limitiation of iOS, not OBD Fusion."

I don't love or hate it, because it doesn't affect my ability to use the
Carista BLE Bluetooth adapter (or any other) AT. FUCKING. ALL. I
couldn't care less whether some shitty adapter won't work, because I
won't be using one anyway.

> But it does look like a good app.

It *is* a good app. And despite your false claims, it *does* compete
directly with Torque Pro, and does a *good* job of it.

Glad to see that 4820 users have rated it, and that it got such a
high rating. OTOH, Torque Pro has a 4.5 rating, and 55,575 ratings
and more than a million downloads.

And yet still has a lower rating. : ) Not that I care about your little
pissing contest. The point is despite your false claim, there *are*
quality OBD apps for iOS.

Could be because OBD Fusion is more than 2x the price. $5 seems to be
the price point where people will not think about the cost of an app.

If you can't afford $9.99, you should probably ask for a raise. Just
make sure you have the skills to back it up first. Good luck!.

Still wondering why iOS doesn't allow the Bluetooth Serial Port
Profile (SPP). SPP is used by a huge number of industrial devices
which can't have apps on iOS which is a shame.

Because it's not needed. Your insistence otherwise won't change that.

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[nospam]

In article <g949i7FdcaeU5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Glad to see that 4820 users have rated it, and that it got such a
high rating. OTOH, Torque Pro has a 4.5 rating, and 55,575 ratings
and more than a million downloads.

And yet still has a lower rating. : ) Not that I care about your little
pissing contest. The point is despite your false claim, there *are*
quality OBD apps for iOS.

quite a few.

a search for obd on the ios app store returns more than 300 hits.

there is no shortage of obd apps.

 

[Jolly Roger]

On 2019-01-02, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

In article <g949i7FdcaeU5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Glad to see that 4820 users have rated it, and that it got such a
high rating. OTOH, Torque Pro has a 4.5 rating, and 55,575 ratings
and more than a million downloads.

And yet still has a lower rating. : ) Not that I care about your little
pissing contest. The point is despite your false claim, there *are*
quality OBD apps for iOS.

quite a few.

a search for obd on the ios app store returns more than 300 hits.

there is no shortage of obd apps.

And no shortage of OBD Bluetooth adapters that work just fine with those
iOS apps. It's almost as if sms is blowing hot air. #SHOCKER

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[nospam]

In article <g94bkiFedd6U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Glad to see that 4820 users have rated it, and that it got such a
high rating. OTOH, Torque Pro has a 4.5 rating, and 55,575 ratings
and more than a million downloads.

And yet still has a lower rating. : ) Not that I care about your little
pissing contest. The point is despite your false claim, there *are*
quality OBD apps for iOS.

quite a few.

a search for obd on the ios app store returns more than 300 hits.

there is no shortage of obd apps.

And no shortage of OBD Bluetooth adapters that work just fine with those
iOS apps. It's almost as if sms is blowing hot air. #SHOCKER

not almost. it's what he does.

 

[arlen holder]

On 2 Jan 2019 17:09:27 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> If you can't afford $9.99, you should probably ask for a raise.

I love when Jolly Roger posts because he is the epitome of an iOS user!
*Jolly Roger literally enjoys iOS' astronomical overall cost of ownership!*

In fact, when it comes time for "logical argument", the main argument Jolly
Roger displays is that if you can't afford to pay twice as much for half
the performance, then you shouldn't be on iOS in the first place.

That's why I _love_ when Jolly Roger posts for all iOS users!

I love when Jolly Roger writes because he can't hide his true feelings.
He's the PERFECT example of the thought process of the average iOS user!

Jolly Roger clearly has his iOS religious convictions.
Of that, there is no doubt.

*Yet, none of Jolly Roger's arguments ever stand up to logical scrutiny.*
His _only_ argument is that the less-functional app is twice the price!

And he shoves that twice-the-price for half-the-performance in sms' face.
As if paying twice as much for half the functionality is a badge of honor!

I LOVE when Jolly Roger posts!
I really do.

I'm serious.
He can't hide his true feelings.

*Jolly Roger _enjoys_ iOS' astronomical overall cost of ownership!*