Measuring moisture in residential environment

[Chris Brown]

Hi all,

A question for those knowledgeable in this area... if I was looking to
measure humidity in a residential setting, what would be the best type of
sensor to use? I've done basic reading on the various types, but I'd like
to hear opinions from folks who really know this topic and what's out there,
practical application, etc.

Ideally, this sensor would identify undesirably high humidity conditions in
a normal household environment, would probably be replaced rather than
recalibrated once installed, and would be sufficiently accurate to prevent
any serious likelihood of false positives.

Cost, size, and reliability are of particular interest.

Anyone have any thoughts on this topic? I would greatly appreciate any
input. If this would be better posted in a different newsgroup, please let
me know.

Thanks!

- Chris

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

"Chris Brown" <sent2chris@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:G7ydnasvBJYzgzHbnZ2dnUVZ_rSinZ2d@comcast.com:

Hi all,

A question for those knowledgeable in this area... if I was looking to
measure humidity in a residential setting, what would be the best type
of sensor to use? I've done basic reading on the various types, but
I'd like to hear opinions from folks who really know this topic and
what's out there, practical application, etc.

Ideally, this sensor would identify undesirably high humidity
conditions in a normal household environment, would probably be
replaced rather than recalibrated once installed, and would be
sufficiently accurate to prevent any serious likelihood of false
positives.

Cost, size, and reliability are of particular interest.

Anyone have any thoughts on this topic? I would greatly appreciate
any input. If this would be better posted in a different newsgroup,
please let me know.

Thanks!

- Chris

Looks light the right choice of group to me..

If improvisation and cheapness are ok, you could try the resistance of
paper. Crude I know, but workable, as paper is usually slightly acidic and
should change substantially with humidity. Medium term repeatability will
be good too, and long term repeatability could be calibrated with a
portable meter, and adjustment made to a preset pot. One advantage to this
crude device is that it will respond rapidly to changing humidity, and its
resistance could range widely enough to make it easy to avoid false alarms.

 

[clifto]

Chris Brown wrote:

Ideally, this sensor would identify undesirably high humidity conditions in
a normal household environment, would probably be replaced rather than
recalibrated once installed, and would be sufficiently accurate to prevent
any serious likelihood of false positives.

You could research using human hair as a sensor.

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was a small price to pay to stop genocide; now they argue that genocide
is a small price to pay to bring U.S. troops home."
-- Jonah Goldberg

 

[Tolstoy]

On Jul 28, 9:58 pm, "Chris Brown" <sent2ch...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi all,

A question for those knowledgeable in this area... if I was looking to
measure humidity in a residential setting, what would be the best type of
sensor to use? I've done basic reading on the various types, but I'd like
to hear opinions from folks who really know this topic and what's out there,
practical application, etc.

Ideally, this sensor would identify undesirably high humidity conditions in
a normal household environment, would probably be replaced rather than
recalibrated once installed, and would be sufficiently accurate to prevent
any serious likelihood of false positives.

Cost, size, and reliability are of particular interest.

Anyone have any thoughts on this topic? I would greatly appreciate any
input. If this would be better posted in a different newsgroup, please let
me know.

Thanks!

- Chris

I'm no humidity expert, in fact I'm all wet!
Here's a sensor you can buy from digikey for about $10:
http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Humirel/HS1101.pdf

 

[Gary Tait]

"Chris Brown" <sent2chris@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:G7ydnasvBJYzgzHbnZ2dnUVZ_rSinZ2d@comcast.com:

Hi all,

A question for those knowledgeable in this area... if I was looking to
measure humidity in a residential setting, what would be the best type
of sensor to use? I've done basic reading on the various types, but
I'd like to hear opinions from folks who really know this topic and
what's out there, practical application, etc.

Ideally, this sensor would identify undesirably high humidity
conditions in a normal household environment, would probably be
replaced rather than recalibrated once installed, and would be
sufficiently accurate to prevent any serious likelihood of false
positives.

Cost, size, and reliability are of particular interest.

Anyone have any thoughts on this topic? I would greatly appreciate
any input. If this would be better posted in a different newsgroup,
please let me know.

Thanks!

- Chris

Are you looking for something that "trips" at a high humidity point or
something linear and trip in electronics?
I am thinking something like a chemical agent fixed to paper, which is
optically or electronically read.

 

[Chris Brown]

"Gary Tait" <classicsat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Chris Brown" <sent2chris@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:G7ydnasvBJYzgzHbnZ2dnUVZ_rSinZ2d@comcast.com:

Hi all,

A question for those knowledgeable in this area... if I was looking to
measure humidity in a residential setting, what would be the best type
of sensor to use? I've done basic reading on the various types, but
I'd like to hear opinions from folks who really know this topic and
what's out there, practical application, etc.

Ideally, this sensor would identify undesirably high humidity
conditions in a normal household environment, would probably be
replaced rather than recalibrated once installed, and would be
sufficiently accurate to prevent any serious likelihood of false
positives.

Cost, size, and reliability are of particular interest.

Anyone have any thoughts on this topic? I would greatly appreciate
any input. If this would be better posted in a different newsgroup,
please let me know.

Thanks!

- Chris



Are you looking for something that "trips" at a high humidity point or
something linear and trip in electronics?
I am thinking something like a chemical agent fixed to paper, which is
optically or electronically read.

I'm thinking of something that would register elevated levels over time, or
at a given point in time, without the need to trip right away when the
elevation was encountered. Essentially just monitoring that humidity levels
stayed within a desired range.

Thanks,

- Chris

 

[Chris Brown]

"Tolstoy" <kellrobinson@billburg.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 28, 9:58 pm, "Chris Brown" <sent2ch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all,

A question for those knowledgeable in this area... if I was looking to
measure humidity in a residential setting, what would be the best type of
sensor to use? I've done basic reading on the various types, but I'd
like
to hear opinions from folks who really know this topic and what's out
there,
practical application, etc.

Ideally, this sensor would identify undesirably high humidity conditions
in
a normal household environment, would probably be replaced rather than
recalibrated once installed, and would be sufficiently accurate to
prevent
any serious likelihood of false positives.

Cost, size, and reliability are of particular interest.

Anyone have any thoughts on this topic? I would greatly appreciate any
input. If this would be better posted in a different newsgroup, please
let
me know.

Thanks!

- Chris

I'm no humidity expert, in fact I'm all wet!
Here's a sensor you can buy from digikey for about $10:
http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Humirel/HS1101.pdf

That looks interesting. Thanks!

- Chris

 

[Chris Brown]

"Lostgallifreyan" <no-one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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"Chris Brown" <sent2chris@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:G7ydnasvBJYzgzHbnZ2dnUVZ_rSinZ2d@comcast.com:

Hi all,

A question for those knowledgeable in this area... if I was looking to
measure humidity in a residential setting, what would be the best type
of sensor to use? I've done basic reading on the various types, but
I'd like to hear opinions from folks who really know this topic and
what's out there, practical application, etc.

Ideally, this sensor would identify undesirably high humidity
conditions in a normal household environment, would probably be
replaced rather than recalibrated once installed, and would be
sufficiently accurate to prevent any serious likelihood of false
positives.

Cost, size, and reliability are of particular interest.

Anyone have any thoughts on this topic? I would greatly appreciate
any input. If this would be better posted in a different newsgroup,
please let me know.

Thanks!

- Chris




Looks light the right choice of group to me..

If improvisation and cheapness are ok, you could try the resistance of
paper. Crude I know, but workable, as paper is usually slightly acidic and
should change substantially with humidity. Medium term repeatability will
be good too, and long term repeatability could be calibrated with a
portable meter, and adjustment made to a preset pot. One advantage to this
crude device is that it will respond rapidly to changing humidity, and its
resistance could range widely enough to make it easy to avoid false
alarms.

Thanks for your post Lostgallifreyan.

I like your idea. For what I have in mind, though, I would eventually want
to manufacture something in quantity, so though cost is certainly an object,
it is not the overarching thing. In fact, not needing to visit the device
to recalibrate it would rate higher on the list of objectives. This sensor
would be part of a more complex assembly. I'm guessing that the challenge
is not unique, though I'm not sure if there's a singular clear answer for
this type of application.

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

"Chris Brown" <sent2chris@yahoo.com> wrote in
newsdadnTmy5IS7MTPbnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@comcast.com:

I like your idea. For what I have in mind, though, I would eventually
want to manufacture something in quantity, so though cost is certainly
an object, it is not the overarching thing. In fact, not needing to
visit the device to recalibrate it would rate higher on the list of
objectives. This sensor would be part of a more complex assembly.
I'm guessing that the challenge is not unique, though I'm not sure if
there's a singular clear answer for this type of application.

Ok. Two other ideas came to me... One is those tiny slot counter
thingers, with an LED and a photodiode. If you can find one with a bright
visible red LED and nothing but the photodiode on the other side (so it's
linear, near enough), you could use a piece of cobalt paper in the slot. As
it changed from blue to pink with increasing humidity, it would pass more
red light. The reflective types that have both LED and photodiode pointing
the same way might also work.

Another thought is to make a few tiny PCB's with an interlacing of two
tracks, one each side vertically with several fine extensions horizontally
nearly reaching the opposite vertical. Tin these so they resist oxidising
in water better than copper will, then try to find (or make) a hygroscopic
paint that won't corrode the metal when it's damp. If this works, it could
be by far the cheapest way to make something that will hopefully be good
enough for production.

The main thing is how accountable it must be. If anything like insurance or
other legal considerations matter, you'll need a sensor that has
characteristics that are firmly established, and for that it will be easier
to buy one ready made than to try to establish it yourself.