Maybe flatscreen TV is ok, after all ...

[Arfa Daily]

Most on here are well aware of my general hatred of the dreadful pictures
that most flatscreen (LCD) TVs produce, and the even worse situation when
you stick them on a DTV signal.

So I surprised myself when I was particularly taken by the picture on a 50"
Panasonic plasma that I saw in a local supermarket. In fact, so impressed
was I with the standard resolution picture, provided by no less than its own
internal DTV receiver, let alone the HD pictures from sat, and the
unbelievably good full res pics from a BluRay player, that I have actually
bought one. It was just Ł699 complete with a five year full parts and labour
(inc the panel) warranty. How good is that for a 50" plas ? I had always
thought that plas piccies blew the socks off of LCDs, but the prices of
these were just prohibitive.

Anyway, it was delivered Monday, and yesterday I had my replacement HD sat
box delivered and installed, to go with my shiny new HD subscription
upgrade. I have to say that I am absolutely delighted with the picture on
DTTV, standard res sat and HD sat. The standard res transmissions look at
least as good, and possibly even slightly better than they did on my 37"
Tosh CRT set, and the HD transmissions are stunningly good.

So there we have it. Another old Luddite finally converted, and prepared to
accept that with the right equipment, DTV and a flat panel TV *can* replace
a CRT set being fed with a good quality analogue signal ...

Arfa

 

[JR North]

Yeah but...how long will it last? I have 2 Magnavox 27" CRT teewees.
Both from circa 1994. Both have a zillion miles on them, both still
run/display like new. I don't have HD cable, and certainly the
pictures are not as crisp as plas, but still very good, like your
Tosh. Sadly, consumers seem OK with the idea that newer LCD or plasma
sets might last only 3-5 years.
JR

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:58:13 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Most on here are well aware of my general hatred of the dreadful pictures
that most flatscreen (LCD) TVs produce, and the even worse situation when
you stick them on a DTV signal.

So I surprised myself when I was particularly taken by the picture on a 50"
Panasonic plasma that I saw in a local supermarket. In fact, so impressed
was I with the standard resolution picture, provided by no less than its own
internal DTV receiver, let alone the HD pictures from sat, and the
unbelievably good full res pics from a BluRay player, that I have actually
bought one. It was just Ł699 complete with a five year full parts and labour
(inc the panel) warranty. How good is that for a 50" plas ? I had always
thought that plas piccies blew the socks off of LCDs, but the prices of
these were just prohibitive.

Anyway, it was delivered Monday, and yesterday I had my replacement HD sat
box delivered and installed, to go with my shiny new HD subscription
upgrade. I have to say that I am absolutely delighted with the picture on
DTTV, standard res sat and HD sat. The standard res transmissions look at
least as good, and possibly even slightly better than they did on my 37"
Tosh CRT set, and the HD transmissions are stunningly good.

So there we have it. Another old Luddite finally converted, and prepared to
accept that with the right equipment, DTV and a flat panel TV *can* replace
a CRT set being fed with a good quality analogue signal ...

Arfa

HOME PAGE:

http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------

 

[Arfa Daily]

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:58:13 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Most on here are well aware of my general hatred of the dreadful pictures
that most flatscreen (LCD) TVs produce, and the even worse situation when
you stick them on a DTV signal.

So I surprised myself when I was particularly taken by the picture on a
50"
Panasonic plasma that I saw in a local supermarket. In fact, so impressed
was I with the standard resolution picture, provided by no less than its
own
internal DTV receiver, let alone the HD pictures from sat, and the
unbelievably good full res pics from a BluRay player, that I have actually
bought one. It was just Ł699 complete with a five year full parts and
labour
(inc the panel) warranty. How good is that for a 50" plas ? I had always
thought that plas piccies blew the socks off of LCDs, but the prices of
these were just prohibitive.

Anyway, it was delivered Monday, and yesterday I had my replacement HD sat
box delivered and installed, to go with my shiny new HD subscription
upgrade. I have to say that I am absolutely delighted with the picture on
DTTV, standard res sat and HD sat. The standard res transmissions look at
least as good, and possibly even slightly better than they did on my 37"
Tosh CRT set, and the HD transmissions are stunningly good.

So there we have it. Another old Luddite finally converted, and prepared
to
accept that with the right equipment, DTV and a flat panel TV *can*
replace
a CRT set being fed with a good quality analogue signal ...

Arfa

"JR North" <junkjasonrnorth@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:ag5tk5d0n5ln1e1uspts71bmnt7fjhev5m@4ax.com...

Yeah but...how long will it last? I have 2 Magnavox 27" CRT teewees.
Both from circa 1994. Both have a zillion miles on them, both still
run/display like new. I don't have HD cable, and certainly the
pictures are not as crisp as plas, but still very good, like your
Tosh. Sadly, consumers seem OK with the idea that newer LCD or plasma
sets might last only 3-5 years.
JR

Agreed. And that was another thing that had put me off plasmas in the past,
but when I had this one under consideration, I asked several dealer friends
that I do hifi repair work for, what the score was now on that front. All
said that without question, plas was now more reliable than LCD. Pan claim
the lifetime of the panel fitted to the TV that I've bought, to be in excess
of 100,000 hours.

Up until seeing this TV, price would most definitely have been an issue. We
were trying to work out how long we had had the Tosh - like yours, still as
good as the day it came out of the box - and arrived at about 15 years. In
all that time, it has had just two faults. A bad tuner a few months after we
had it, and a bad sub woofer (cone surround disintegrated) a few months
back. So that is great and sterling service, but that TV cost us Ł1500 all
that time back, which is what ? About Ł4k today's equivalent perhaps ?

If I get the five years warranty out of this one, I won't have done bad. It
will have stood me in just Ł140 per year. Three quid a week ! Even *I'm* not
going to complain at that !

Arfa

 

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:58:13 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>wrote:

Most on here are well aware of my general hatred of the dreadful pictures
that most flatscreen (LCD) TVs produce, and the even worse situation when
you stick them on a DTV signal.

So I surprised myself when I was particularly taken by the picture on a 50"
Panasonic plasma that I saw in a local supermarket. In fact, so impressed
was I with the standard resolution picture, provided by no less than its own
internal DTV receiver, let alone the HD pictures from sat, and the
unbelievably good full res pics from a BluRay player, that I have actually
bought one. It was just ?699 complete with a five year full parts and labour
(inc the panel) warranty. How good is that for a 50" plas ? I had always
thought that plas piccies blew the socks off of LCDs, but the prices of
these were just prohibitive.

Anyway, it was delivered Monday, and yesterday I had my replacement HD sat
box delivered and installed, to go with my shiny new HD subscription
upgrade. I have to say that I am absolutely delighted with the picture on
DTTV, standard res sat and HD sat. The standard res transmissions look at
least as good, and possibly even slightly better than they did on my 37"
Tosh CRT set, and the HD transmissions are stunningly good.

So there we have it. Another old Luddite finally converted, and prepared to
accept that with the right equipment, DTV and a flat panel TV *can* replace
a CRT set being fed with a good quality analogue signal ...

Arfa

I have one LCD HDTV set (until my 51" PT51DX80 bites the dust big
time) an Olevia 232-S13. Besides having some minor quirks easily
correctable by a now non-existent firmwear upgrade I like the set for
its fast response time and ultra high contrast ratio. I thought my LG
L222WT monitor had a bright high contrast screen until I used the
Olevia for a computer monitor. The LG was lack-luster at best when
compared. The Olevia is going on 4 years old and is on 5 hours a day
unless I use it as a #2 monitor for Pro Tools or Adobe Audition.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

Most on here are well aware of my general hatred of the
dreadful pictures that most flatscreen (LCD) TVs produce,
and the even worse situation when you stick them on a
DTV signal.

I have a Pioneer plasma, but would hardly call LCDs "dreadful" (though I've
seen some pretty poor sets -- a friend of mine bought one). Sony has really
fine sets, of a quality that competes with (though doesn't equal) Pioneer.

To break in the set properly, do what I didn't do... Run 16:9 material --
without station logos -- for 40 to 50 hours continuously. "Just to be safe",
allow overscan, and make sure the orbiter is on.

I have a Motorola set-top converter feeding the Pioneer, and it delivers a
beautiful picture, whether it's SD DTV, or 1080p. The latter is not
distinguishable from 1080p Blu-ray.

If you want something to show off the set, find the Blu-ray of "The
Searchers". This is a pretty bad movie (despite its reputation), but the
transfer from (what are apparently) the VistaVision camera negatives will
have you gasping. (Though "North by Northwest" has problems with male skin
tones, it too is a VistaVision film, and frankly a revelation.) Few recent
films are that good.

 

[Klaatu]

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:4Tu3n.19715$2N3.18738@newsfe14.ams2...

Most on here are well aware of my general hatred of the dreadful pictures
that most flatscreen (LCD) TVs produce, and the even worse situation when
you stick them on a DTV signal.

So I surprised myself when I was particularly taken by the picture on a
50" Panasonic plasma that I saw in a local supermarket. In fact, so
impressed was I with the standard resolution picture, provided by no less
than its own internal DTV receiver, let alone the HD pictures from sat,
and the unbelievably good full res pics from a BluRay player, that I have
actually bought one. It was just Ł699 complete with a five year full parts
and labour (inc the panel) warranty. How good is that for a 50" plas ? I
had always thought that plas piccies blew the socks off of LCDs, but the
prices of these were just prohibitive.

Anyway, it was delivered Monday, and yesterday I had my replacement HD sat
box delivered and installed, to go with my shiny new HD subscription
upgrade. I have to say that I am absolutely delighted with the picture on
DTTV, standard res sat and HD sat. The standard res transmissions look at
least as good, and possibly even slightly better than they did on my 37"
Tosh CRT set, and the HD transmissions are stunningly good.

So there we have it. Another old Luddite finally converted, and prepared
to accept that with the right equipment, DTV and a flat panel TV *can*
replace a CRT set being fed with a good quality analogue signal ...

Arfa

Evidently, plasmas are incredibly expensive in the UK. If my currency

conversion is correct,
(1$ = 1.6266pound), then your TV was $1136.00. 50 inch plasmas were around
$500 here in the US during Christmas time. And an additional 3 year
warranty was around $70.
Why so expensive? It seems plasmas are being phased out here in the states.

Klaatu

 

[Arfa Daily]

"Klaatu" <nospam@today.com> wrote in message
news:3fOdnRUYT45709LWnZ2dnUVZ_hidnZ2d@centurytel.net...

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:4Tu3n.19715$2N3.18738@newsfe14.ams2...
Most on here are well aware of my general hatred of the dreadful pictures
that most flatscreen (LCD) TVs produce, and the even worse situation when
you stick them on a DTV signal.

So I surprised myself when I was particularly taken by the picture on a
50" Panasonic plasma that I saw in a local supermarket. In fact, so
impressed was I with the standard resolution picture, provided by no less
than its own internal DTV receiver, let alone the HD pictures from sat,
and the unbelievably good full res pics from a BluRay player, that I have
actually bought one. It was just Ł699 complete with a five year full
parts and labour (inc the panel) warranty. How good is that for a 50"
plas ? I had always thought that plas piccies blew the socks off of LCDs,
but the prices of these were just prohibitive.

Anyway, it was delivered Monday, and yesterday I had my replacement HD
sat box delivered and installed, to go with my shiny new HD subscription
upgrade. I have to say that I am absolutely delighted with the picture on
DTTV, standard res sat and HD sat. The standard res transmissions look at
least as good, and possibly even slightly better than they did on my 37"
Tosh CRT set, and the HD transmissions are stunningly good.

So there we have it. Another old Luddite finally converted, and prepared
to accept that with the right equipment, DTV and a flat panel TV *can*
replace a CRT set being fed with a good quality analogue signal ...

Arfa

Evidently, plasmas are incredibly expensive in the UK. If my currency
conversion is correct,
(1$ = 1.6266pound), then your TV was $1136.00. 50 inch plasmas were
around $500 here in the US during Christmas time. And an additional 3
year warranty was around $70.
Why so expensive? It seems plasmas are being phased out here in the
states.

Klaatu

You would struggle to buy a half-way decent LCD TV for 500 bucks equivalent
here in the UK. I don't know where the idea comes from that plasmas are
being phased out. As far as I know (according to my friend the Pan dealer)
Pan are just about to launch a whole new series of plasma TVs in the next
month or so, which I assumed was the reason behind the price of the one I've
just bought having dropped so far, being a 'shelf clearing' exercise.

I can't see any good reason for dropping or phasing out plasma technology.
It is currently the best display technology for direct-viewing very large
screen sizes, and the reproduction is superior to LCD in the important areas
of contrast ratio, pixel response time (1uS) and viewing angle. Just the
response time alone improves motion blur to the point where it is comparable
with CRT technology, a claim that LCD panels are never going to be able to
match.

'Extended warranties' are a similar price here. The reason that they are so
cheap is because they are not warranties as such, at all. They are an
insurance policy taken out with a general insurance company that has repair
outfits in tow all around the country, whom they pay peanuts to, to carry
out any repair work that might need doing. It is my experience, having done
trade repair work for these outfits, that they do the absolute minimum
necessary to get the customer 'off their backs', whilst shifting any blame
for shortcomings in the repair service, to the manufacturers of the
equipment ... :-(

As to your question about prices between your side of the pond and mine,
first, you have to be careful that you're comparing like for like. I just
took a look at Circuit City, and the 50" plasmas that they are knocking out
for $699, are not full res 1080p panels. They are actually 720p. When you
get up to 1080, the prices start getting up to $1000 and beyond. It's not so
much that electronics are expensive here, as that they are very cheap over
there. I have bought a lot of my electronic equipment on visits to the U.S.
simply because it tends to be dollars for pounds i.e. $60 there, same item
Ł60 here.

Arfa

 

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:58:13 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Most on here are well aware of my general hatred of the dreadful pictures
that most flatscreen (LCD) TVs produce, and the even worse situation when
you stick them on a DTV signal.

So I surprised myself when I was particularly taken by the picture on a 50"
Panasonic plasma that I saw in a local supermarket. In fact, so impressed
was I with the standard resolution picture, provided by no less than its own
internal DTV receiver, let alone the HD pictures from sat, and the
unbelievably good full res pics from a BluRay player, that I have actually
bought one. It was just Ł699 complete with a five year full parts and labour
(inc the panel) warranty. How good is that for a 50" plas ? I had always
thought that plas piccies blew the socks off of LCDs, but the prices of
these were just prohibitive.

Anyway, it was delivered Monday, and yesterday I had my replacement HD sat
box delivered and installed, to go with my shiny new HD subscription
upgrade. I have to say that I am absolutely delighted with the picture on
DTTV, standard res sat and HD sat. The standard res transmissions look at
least as good, and possibly even slightly better than they did on my 37"
Tosh CRT set, and the HD transmissions are stunningly good.

So there we have it. Another old Luddite finally converted, and prepared to
accept that with the right equipment, DTV and a flat panel TV *can* replace
a CRT set being fed with a good quality analogue signal ...

Arfa

Welcome to the future!!! IMHO, the limited life expectancy of flat

panel TVs has been somewhat exaggerated. When you consider that 50
years ago it was unlikely you would get two years of use from a black
and white TV without some sort of servicing, the record doesn't look
too bad for the newer sets.

One thing I remind everyone who brags about their CRT set. It will
never be as bright and sharp as when you brought it home. In
particular, the focus will degrade with time. I have a 12 year old
Sony that has been relegated to the bedroom. I've tweaked the focus
several times and the adjustment is now at the end of it's range.

I recently obtained a 5 year old plasma set that required $5.00 in
repairs. That gives an awesome picture.

Some of the horror stories are real. A number of brands are nearly
unserviceable. Neither parts nor schematics are available. If a
custom part fails, the only solution is to obtain parts from a dead
set.

PlainBill

 

[Sofa Slug]

William Sommerwerck wrote:

Most on here are well aware of my general hatred of the
dreadful pictures that most flatscreen (LCD) TVs produce,
and the even worse situation when you stick them on a
DTV signal.

I have a Pioneer plasma, but would hardly call LCDs "dreadful" (though I've
seen some pretty poor sets -- a friend of mine bought one). Sony has really
fine sets, of a quality that competes with (though doesn't equal) Pioneer.

snipped

I just got a new Sony 46" LCD. The picture is great - the only thing I
don't like is that the sound doesn't quite sync up with the video (the
audio comes through a fraction of a second BEFORE the video). This is
apparently the "elephant in the living room" with HDTV sets.
Manufacturers & dealers are certainly aware of the problem, but tend to
sweep it under the rug.

 

[Jim Yanik]

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in
news:zeJ3n.541$Cn1.366@newsfe25.ams2:

"Klaatu" <nospam@today.com> wrote in message
news:3fOdnRUYT45709LWnZ2dnUVZ_hidnZ2d@centurytel.net...

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:4Tu3n.19715$2N3.18738@newsfe14.ams2...
Most on here are well aware of my general hatred of the dreadful
pictures that most flatscreen (LCD) TVs produce, and the even worse
situation when you stick them on a DTV signal.

So I surprised myself when I was particularly taken by the picture
on a 50" Panasonic plasma that I saw in a local supermarket. In
fact, so impressed was I with the standard resolution picture,
provided by no less than its own internal DTV receiver, let alone
the HD pictures from sat, and the unbelievably good full res pics
from a BluRay player, that I have actually bought one. It was just
Ł699 complete with a five year full parts and labour (inc the panel)
warranty. How good is that for a 50" plas ? I had always thought
that plas piccies blew the socks off of LCDs, but the prices of
these were just prohibitive.

Anyway, it was delivered Monday, and yesterday I had my replacement
HD sat box delivered and installed, to go with my shiny new HD
subscription upgrade. I have to say that I am absolutely delighted
with the picture on DTTV, standard res sat and HD sat. The standard
res transmissions look at least as good, and possibly even slightly
better than they did on my 37" Tosh CRT set, and the HD
transmissions are stunningly good.

So there we have it. Another old Luddite finally converted, and
prepared to accept that with the right equipment, DTV and a flat
panel TV *can* replace a CRT set being fed with a good quality
analogue signal ...

Arfa

Evidently, plasmas are incredibly expensive in the UK. If my
currency conversion is correct,
(1$ = 1.6266pound), then your TV was $1136.00. 50 inch plasmas were
around $500 here in the US during Christmas time. And an additional
3 year warranty was around $70.
Why so expensive? It seems plasmas are being phased out here in the
states.

Klaatu

You would struggle to buy a half-way decent LCD TV for 500 bucks
equivalent here in the UK. I don't know where the idea comes from that
plasmas are being phased out.

because of California legislation concerning "excessive power consumption"
on large screen flat-panel TVs.
The "progressives" have set a limit on a TV's power consumption,for
California.[screw them...]


It's not going to affect other countries,except for some of their imports
to the US.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

 

[William Sommerwerck]

I just got a new Sony 46" LCD. The picture is great -- the only
thing I don't like is that the sound doesn't quite sync up with
the video (the audio comes through a fraction of a second
BEFORE the video). This is apparently the "elephant in the
living room" with HDTV sets.

I haven't noticed this. This appears to be either a sample defect, or
something wrong with that particular design.

I have noticed that the sound through the HDMI (which in my system runs to
the display), and the analog 7.1 outputs (which run to my controller) are
slightly out of sync -- you can hear a slight echo when both are playing.
But neither shows a /visible/ image/voice discrepancy.

Your receiver or controller (if you have one) might have a delay adjustment.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

You would struggle to buy a half-way decent LCD TV for
500 bucks equivalent here in the UK. I don't know where
the idea comes from that plasmas are being phased out.

because of California legislation concerning "excessive
power consumption" on large-screen flat-panel TVs.
The "progressives" have set a limit on a TV's power
consumption,for California.[screw them...]

Another example of deliberate conservative misinformation. This is a
proposed law, not an enacted law. It's unlikely it will pass.

The decline of plasma is due to the improvement in image quality and
reduction in price of LCD sets.

 

[Jim Yanik]

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
news:hio754$vd9$1@news.eternal-september.org:

You would struggle to buy a half-way decent LCD TV for
500 bucks equivalent here in the UK. I don't know where
the idea comes from that plasmas are being phased out.

because of California legislation concerning "excessive
power consumption" on large-screen flat-panel TVs.
The "progressives" have set a limit on a TV's power
consumption,for California.[screw them...]

Another example of deliberate conservative misinformation. This is a
proposed law, not an enacted law. It's unlikely it will pass.

I had thought it was enacted and went into effect the beginning of this
year. 2011 is the effective date.

from a NON-"conservative" news source,CNN;

California approves new energy efficiency standards for televisions
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/18/california.efficient.televisions/ind
ex.html

appears they don't need to "pass a law" in the People's Republik of
California(PRC),just a commission to say so.(Big Brother)

The decline of plasma is due to the improvement in image quality and
reduction in price of LCD sets.

"conservative" misinformation?? seems the misinformation is yours.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

 

[Charles]

The LCDs here are burying the plasmas. You can apparently see things that I
cannot. The LCDs with LED backlighting are so much better, there is no need
to compare them.

But, even the LCD TVs with luminescent back lighting look much better to me
than the plasmas. And to most customers. Plasma is going away.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Conservative" misinformation? Seems the misinformation is yours.

The last time I heard about it -- which was not that long ago -- it was
merely a proposal.

"The real winners of these new TV energy efficiencies are California
consumers, who will be saving billions of dollars and conserving energy
while preserving their choice to buy any size or type of TV," Energy
Commission Chairman Karen Douglas said in a statement.

Well, of course, that isn't true. Unless the regulation is interpreted very
loosely (what, exactly, does "new models" refer to, and against which "old
models" is the improvement to be calculated), sets not meeting these
requirements will not be sold. Not in California brick-and-mortar stores,
anyhow. California will have a lot of trouble regulating Web sales, or
blocking the shipment of such sets from other states to California.

Note that my 59.58" Pioneer plasma would not be covered by these regulation.

As I've said many times, I'm very much in favor of Big Government and highly
intrusive legislation -- where it's appropriate. Here it is not.
Manufacturers have a strong motivation to reduce power consumption, simply
because it reduces (however slightly) the set's price, and is likely to
improve reliability and longevity.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

The LCDs here are burying the plasmas. You can apparently
see things that I cannot. The LCDs with LED backlighting are
so much better...

Than what? Previoius LCDs? I object to local dimming on general principles.

...there is no need to compare them.

There is always a need to compare.

back lighting look
much better to me than the plasmas. And to most customers.
Plasma is going away.

You've obviously never seen a good plasma set.

 

[Jim Yanik]

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
news:hio92i$b67$1@news.eternal-september.org:

"Conservative" misinformation? Seems the misinformation is yours.

The last time I heard about it -- which was not that long ago -- it
was merely a proposal.

"The real winners of these new TV energy efficiencies are California
consumers, who will be saving billions of dollars and conserving
energy while preserving their choice to buy any size or type of TV,"
Energy Commission Chairman Karen Douglas said in a statement.

Heh,maybe if they say that often enough,people might begin believing it.

Well, of course, that isn't true. Unless the regulation is interpreted
very loosely (what, exactly, does "new models" refer to, and against
which "old models" is the improvement to be calculated), sets not
meeting these requirements will not be sold. Not in California
brick-and-mortar stores, anyhow. California will have a lot of trouble
regulating Web sales, or blocking the shipment of such sets from other
states to California.

Yep,really "wise" of them...

Note that my 59.58" Pioneer plasma would not be covered by these
regulation.

As I've said many times, I'm very much in favor of Big Government and
highly intrusive legislation -- where it's appropriate.

Except that the "progressives" go way beyond "where appropriate".
More accurately,they are REgressives.
(it seems like every city and state they run are broke,in debt,and crime-
ridden.Just as in other nations.)

US Gov't was meant to be "limited",not "Big".
(like in "Big Brother",rather appropriate...)

Guys like you are screwing that up,along with America.

Here it is
not. Manufacturers have a strong motivation to reduce power
consumption, simply because it reduces (however slightly) the set's
price, and is likely to improve reliability and longevity.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

 

[Charlie]

"Sofa Slug" <sofaslug@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:hinq5v$vqr$1@news.eternal-september.org...

William Sommerwerck wrote:
Most on here are well aware of my general hatred of the
dreadful pictures that most flatscreen (LCD) TVs produce,
and the even worse situation when you stick them on a
DTV signal.

I have a Pioneer plasma, but would hardly call LCDs "dreadful" (though
I've
seen some pretty poor sets -- a friend of mine bought one). Sony has
really
fine sets, of a quality that competes with (though doesn't equal)
Pioneer.

snipped

I just got a new Sony 46" LCD. The picture is great - the only thing I
don't like is that the sound doesn't quite sync up with the video (the
audio comes through a fraction of a second BEFORE the video). This is
apparently the "elephant in the living room" with HDTV sets.
Manufacturers & dealers are certainly aware of the problem, but tend to
sweep it under the rug.

Try this and see if it helps.

When you go to turn on close captioning (if it is like my Vizio and it is a
separate operation beside muting) then don't stop at C1 but keep on through
the CC choices until you come to one called Service. This is what I have
read is the right setting for HD programming.

Charlie

 

[Arfa Daily]

"Charles" <charlesschuler@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hio8ko$t6q$1@news.eternal-september.org...

The LCDs here are burying the plasmas. You can apparently see things that
I cannot. The LCDs with LED backlighting are so much better, there is no
need to compare them.

But, even the LCD TVs with luminescent back lighting look much better to
me than the plasmas. And to most customers. Plasma is going away.

I see many LCD TVs for repair, including right up to date ones, and I am yet
to see one that compared to my previous CRT set. Just about all that I have
seen suffer from motion artifacts when running at any resolution other than
panel-native, and all that I've seen still suffer from motion blur on high
speed action. I'm not sure that I can see any way that can ever be totally
overcome. For sure, it's not as bad with the latest generation LCD panels as
it was with previous ones, but it is still very much there, and as long as
LCD cells are as slow as they are, it will continue to be a shortcoming of
the technology.

Plasma cells, on the other hand, are as fast as the short persistence
phosphors used on CRTs, particularly since various 'pre-fire' technologies
have been applied to them. Contrast ratio is inherently higher than LCD as
well, and also, the viewing angle is infinite, another aspect that LCD can
never compete on.

I have spent the last few days looking very closely at my new TV, and I can
honestly say that I have not seen a single motion or scaling artifact at any
resolution. Having spent many years in the repair business, and being very
critical of TV performance, I feel that there is every reason to compare the
two technologies and, whilst LCD has undoubtedly improved over the last few
years, in my opinion, if the Pan that I've just bought is anything to go by,
LCD technology cannot hold a candle to correctly operating plasma
technology.

Arfa

 

[Sofa Slug]

Charlie wrote:

"Sofa Slug" wrote:

I just got a new Sony 46" LCD. The picture is great - the only thing I
don't like is that the sound doesn't quite sync up with the video (the
audio comes through a fraction of a second BEFORE the video). This is
apparently the "elephant in the living room" with HDTV sets.
Manufacturers & dealers are certainly aware of the problem, but tend to
sweep it under the rug.


Try this and see if it helps.

When you go to turn on close captioning (if it is like my Vizio and it is a
separate operation beside muting) then don't stop at C1 but keep on through
the CC choices until you come to one called Service. This is what I have
read is the right setting for HD programming.

Charlie

Thanks ...I understand that there IS a "Service" menu for this set (Sony
KDL-46V5100), but I don't think there is an option there for adjusting
audio delay (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). I know that some
sets (like LG) do have an adjustment for that.