Man gets nine years for spamming

[Frithiof Andreas Jensen]

"Kryten" <kryten_droid_obfusticator@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:m%S5e.8832$Uc7.7804@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...

The article said the 30-yr old made up to $750,000 per month.
I sincerely hope they confiscated that money.

Few people earn that much in a decade.

Sadly there is an unending supply of stupid and crooked people who will
risk
it.

Per MONTH!!!!

If that is true, Then *I* would risk it - Most People probably would swop a
lifetimes drudge at work for a few months "burn" and a life of leisure;
Hell, that's the kind of money one wins in the national lottery here.

A crime where one can actually live off the interest of merely one "Job",
there is no violence involved and little personal risk and if one even
remembers to Incorporate and pay Tax on the proceeds, then I doubt that
there would be more than one-two years open prison (max) at stake here (in
the DK - the IRS is about the only entity that you should not mess with -
you need to cut them in ..; ).

Rationally, Such a crime is worth comitting, and a rare opportunity too.

So, better come up with some IETF standards fixing it because the law cannot
(people routinely risk jail for lesser rewards)!

 

[Kryten]

"Frithiof Andreas Jensen" <frithiof.jensen@die_spammer_die.ericsson.com>
wrote in message news:d3dnhh$c5g$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se...

Rationally, Such a crime is worth committing, and a rare opportunity too.

So, better come up with some IETF standards fixing it because the law
cannot
(people routinely risk jail for lesser rewards)!

Then again, one would have to create a huge amount of spam which provides
evidence, so being caught becomes inevitable. And unless you like the idea
of nine years of prison (and shower rape) then it becomes less rational.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:32:26 -0700, Fritz Schlunder wrote:

"Rich The Newsgropup Wacko" <wacko@example.com> wrote in message
newsan.2005.04.09.20.10.49.107654@example.com...

I was just now chatting with a cow-orker

Hmm... I don't know what a cow orker is but it sounds dubious...

http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html

;-)
Cheers!
Rich

 

[Pooh Bear]

dB wrote:

"Kryten" <kryten_droid_obfusticator@ntlworld.com> wrote

Having said that, junk mail (paper spam) shows that many places will spend a
stamp to advertise a product. In the UK, the junk mail subsidises the losses
the Royal Mail make on ordinary stamped mail.

I wait until I have a nice bundle of it and then put it in a Royal
Mail post box. (If they stick junk in mine, I stick junk in theirs.)

Some ppl like to open it up, mix up the contents and randomly stuff it back into
the replied paid envelopes.


Graham ;-)

 

[Ken Taylor]

"Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:425B2BCC.5C7E6196@hotmail.com...

dB wrote:

"Kryten" <kryten_droid_obfusticator@ntlworld.com> wrote

Having said that, junk mail (paper spam) shows that many places will
spend a
stamp to advertise a product. In the UK, the junk mail subsidises the
losses
the Royal Mail make on ordinary stamped mail.

I wait until I have a nice bundle of it and then put it in a Royal
Mail post box. (If they stick junk in mine, I stick junk in theirs.)

Some ppl like to open it up, mix up the contents and randomly stuff it
back into
the replied paid envelopes.


Graham ;-)


Hadn't considered actually filling the reply-paid envelope, but I guess it's

as good as an empty one.

Ken

 

[Frithiof Andreas Jensen]

"Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:425B2BCC.5C7E6196@hotmail.com...

Some ppl like to open it up, mix up the contents and randomly stuff it
back into
the replied paid envelopes.

Some people even put new label over the address of the reply-paid envelopes
and use them to pay bills with.

 

[Kryten]

"dB" <dmb06851@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1757808.0504111746.45a271fc@posting.google.com...

I wait until I have a nice bundle of it and then put it in a Royal
Mail post box. (If they stick junk in mine, I stick junk in theirs.)

I'm sure it makes you feel better, but it doesn't do much good.

- it burdens the drivers who collect it
- it burdens staff sorting wanted mail (adding delay)
- it wastes fuel transporting it (adding greenhouse gases)

There is a number you can ring to put yourself on the mailing preference
register as not wanting junk mail. Junk mailing companies don't want to
waste postage more than they have to so they can 'wash' their address lists
by removing addresses that are on the register. It will take a while for it
to filter through the system.

Personally I think the best thing to do is:
- chuck it in your re-cycling box
- tell the senders to mark you name as never to be sent junk mail
- put a small notice on your letterbox saying "no junk mail or flyers"

When I recently popped into my bank to change my details, I asked if they
could not send me endless mail pestering me to borrow money. Yep, no
problem, they just ticked a box on the computer.

 

[Adrian Tuddenham]

Kryten <kryten_droid_obfusticator@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"dB" <dmb06851@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1757808.0504111746.45a271fc@posting.google.com...

I wait until I have a nice bundle of it and then put it in a Royal
Mail post box. (If they stick junk in mine, I stick junk in theirs.)

I'm sure it makes you feel better, but it doesn't do much good.

- it burdens the drivers who collect it
- it burdens staff sorting wanted mail (adding delay)
- it wastes fuel transporting it (adding greenhouse gases)

There is a number you can ring to put yourself on the mailing preference
register as not wanting junk mail.

It doesn't work 100%

I've taken to sticking it back in the post box again.

--
~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

 

[Dick]

In message <2RG6e.17993$1S4.1792323@news.xtra.co.nz>, Ken Taylor
<ken123@xtra.co.nz> writes

"Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:425B2BCC.5C7E6196@hotmail.com...
dB wrote:

"Kryten" <kryten_droid_obfusticator@ntlworld.com> wrote

Having said that, junk mail (paper spam) shows that many places will
spend a
stamp to advertise a product. In the UK, the junk mail subsidises the
losses
the Royal Mail make on ordinary stamped mail.

I wait until I have a nice bundle of it and then put it in a Royal
Mail post box. (If they stick junk in mine, I stick junk in theirs.)

Some ppl like to open it up, mix up the contents and randomly stuff it
back into
the replied paid envelopes.


Graham ;-)


Hadn't considered actually filling the reply-paid envelope, but I guess it's
as good as an empty one.

Ken


Wrap a house brick in brown paper & stick the replied paid envelope to

it. If more people would do this we might just start costing the junk
mailers some serious money ........ it also provides people with a way
of removing unwanted rubble from their gardens.
--
Dick on the LangWang
Dedicated to Growing Old Disgracefully

 

[Kryten]

"Dick" <dick@langwang.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8hnTCeBDr5WCFw2g@langwang.demon.co.uk...

Wrap a house brick in brown paper & stick the replied paid envelope to it.
If more people would do this we might just start costing the junk mailers
some serious money ........ it also provides people with a way of removing
unwanted rubble from their gardens.

Hmm, bricks are worth several quid each second hand.

You could actually tape the envelope to a huge mass of anything.

Maybe a bin liner full of household waste.

The junk mailers might be surcharged for insufficient post.

And disposal of the waste.

Thus reducing your council expenditure and hence your council tax...

 

[Frithiof Andreas Jensen]

"Kryten" <kryten_droid_obfusticator@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:SBY6e.16957$JO6.8024@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...

Thus reducing your council expenditure and hence your council tax...

Does not work that way:

If the council have more money, they will spend it to introduce more
"services" then when revenue comes under pressure, they will raise taxes "to
avoid cut-backs" - nevermind that you did not *want* more "service" in the
first place.

Civil Service is a black hole that absorbs ressources, the only observable
activity from outside of the event horizon is the hole growing monotonically
larger ;-)

 

[Active8]

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:10:44 GMT, Rich The Newsgropup Wacko wrote:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 10:59:13 +0200, martin griffith wrote:
At last

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4426949.stm

So What? They got him on a technicality:
"Under Virginia law, sending bulk email using fake addresses is a crime."

They maybe could get him on fraud, but only if he actually defrauded
anybody.

I was just now chatting with a cow-orker about it, and saic, "Heck,
according to this, I could send out ten million spams a day from
neodruid.net here, and as long as I don't spoof the "from", and
stop sending to anybody who says, "Don't send me this crap", I'm
perfectly legal. And if people get product, it's not fraud, right?
So, I'd sell a little pamphlet: "How to make a million bucks with
legal spam on the internet!" with, essentially, this information
in it, but clearly marked: "MSRP: US$5.00" so for their five bucks,
they get a five dollar pamphlet. Postage Paid! ;-)

Laughter ensued. He's only about 30, so it's the first time he's
heard of such a scheme. ;-)

Then he has no imagination. I thought of that before inet and I know
a cowboy (that's *really* being a cow-orker) that thought up
basically the same thing, only he's too stupid to cover his ass with
the MSRP bit. Also, his idea was to advertise using non-electronic
media.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

 

[Sergey Kubushin]

Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hello Jim,

Why can't /won't the likes of AOL and all other western ISPs curb /ban
/stop the huge salvoes of unwarranted/unsolicited/unfriendly msgs like this
at the start? This is probably why....
Only pre-paid bulk mailing (like discount postage charges) will knock it on
the head.

Don't know but much of the spam originates in countries that have poor
or no enforcement. The only way these countries sober up is by what has
been written in an article in Europe. Seems that instead of hosing off
spam when received some ISPs went to blocking entire countries.

More than half of all spam originates in the US. Just FUI )

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[Joerg]

Hello Sergey,

More than half of all spam originates in the US. Just FUI )

That trend is going down though, probably since the big crackdown
started. Today there was another story that a district attorney busted a
major spam mill in California.

I rarely look at spam source info. But when I do I usually come across
country identifiers that I never heard of. The problem these countries
face is that if they let that fester they will seriously damage their
business community because some ISP have quietly begun to block broadly.
So they need to wake up soon.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote (in
<x3B7e.3515$dT4.2741@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com&gt about 'Man gets nine
years for spamming', on Thu, 14 Apr 2005:

I rarely look at spam source info. But when I do I usually come across
country identifiers that I never heard of.

Yes, the spammers use ISPs in small, remote countries, but they live in
the good old USA. And the ISPs are probably run by US citizens, or
others not native to Outer Bongoland or wherever.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

In <x3B7e.3515$dT4.2741@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, on 04/14/05
at 09:15 PM, Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> said:

Hello Sergey,

More than half of all spam originates in the US. Just FUI )

That trend is going down though, probably since the big crackdown
started.

That is because even the spammers are outsourcing to third world
countries!

JB