Maida Z151-03UL

  • Thread starter Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su
  • Start date
W

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su

Guest
I've been scrounging a few parts from old defunct AT SMPSes, and I found
a few that have these Maida Z151-03UL transient voltage suppressor MOVs,
one across each of the 470uF, 200V filter caps. I found the specs here:
http://www.maida.com/content/products/varistors/standard/fullRecord.asp?
iACVolts=150&iDCVolts=0&iDiskSize=0&stylenum=D73ZOV151RA03

Only a few of the PSes have them. Each of the MOVs, or is it TVSs, has
a plastic sleeve slipped over it, and the top half is filled with white
goop, looks like silicone grease, but hard like caulking compound.

The last MOV that failed on me failed violently, big BRRRZAP! and flash
of light, and it filled the power strip with soot and smoke. It seems
to me that putting a plastic sleeve over one of these is like adding
kindling to a fire. The white goop may be silicone and fire resistant,
but the clear plastic sleeve doesn't look flameproof. I'm gonna take
one outside later this morning and apply a propane torch to it to see
how flameproof it is.

My thinking is that if an excessive voltage is applied to a big
electrolytic, it will start conducting like a resistance, and if the
product of the power and time is great enough it will overheat, and if
it gets hot enough it will vent electrolyte. But it's much bigger than
the TVS, and it should be able to handle more overvoltage/overcurrent
than one of these little 8 mm MOVs.


--
@@F@r@o@m@@O@r@a@n@g@e@@C@o@u@n@t@y@,@@C@a@l@,@@w@h@e@r@e@@
###Got a Question about ELECTRONICS? Check HERE First:###
http://users.pandora.be/educypedia/electronics/databank.htm
My email address is whitelisted. *All* email sent to it
goes directly to the trash unless you add NOSPAM in the
Subject: line with other stuff. alondra101 <at> hotmail.com
Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
@@t@h@e@@a@f@f@l@u@e@n@t@@m@e@e@t@@t@h@e@@E@f@f@l@u@e@n@t@@
 
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
<...>
My thinking is that if an excessive voltage is applied to a big
electrolytic, it will start conducting like a resistance, and if the
product of the power and time is great enough it will overheat, and if
it gets hot enough it will vent electrolyte. But it's much bigger
than the TVS, and it should be able to handle more
overvoltage/overcurrent than one of these little 8 mm MOVs.
The TVS are there to protect the Semis not the Caps.


--
Graham W http://www.gcw.org.uk/ PGM-FI page updated, Graphics Tutorial
WIMBORNE http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/ Wessex
Dorset UK Astro Society's Web pages, Info, Meeting Dates, Sites & Maps
Change 'news' to 'sewn' in my Reply address to avoid my spam filter.
 
"Graham W" <graham@his.com.puter.INVALID> wrote in message
news:41cb822f$0$16974$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
...
My thinking is that if an excessive voltage is applied to a big
electrolytic, it will start conducting like a resistance, and if the
product of the power and time is great enough it will overheat, and
if
it gets hot enough it will vent electrolyte. But it's much bigger
than the TVS, and it should be able to handle more
overvoltage/overcurrent than one of these little 8 mm MOVs.

The TVS are there to protect the Semis not the Caps.
Well, the TVS has very little mass, compared to the 'lytic caps. And
whatever overvoltage comes in will also be absorbed by the 'lytics. And
it seems that if the voltage gets high enough to make the TVSs conduct,
thry will have to conduct the excessive charge in the 'lytics also.

--
Graham W http://www.gcw.org.uk/ PGM-FI page updated, Graphics
Tutorial
WIMBORNE http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/ Wessex
Dorset UK Astro Society's Web pages, Info, Meeting Dates, Sites &
Maps
Change 'news' to 'sewn' in my Reply address to avoid my spam filter.
 
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
"Graham W" <graham@his.com.puter.INVALID> wrote in message
news:41cb822f$0$16974$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
...
My thinking is that if an excessive voltage is applied to a big
electrolytic, it will start conducting like a resistance, and if
the
product of the power and time is great enough it will overheat,
and
if
it gets hot enough it will vent electrolyte. But it's much
bigger
than the TVS, and it should be able to handle more
overvoltage/overcurrent than one of these little 8 mm MOVs.

The TVS are there to protect the Semis not the Caps.

Well, the TVS has very little mass, compared to the 'lytic caps. And
whatever overvoltage comes in will also be absorbed by the 'lytics.
And
it seems that if the voltage gets high enough to make the TVSs
conduct,
thry will have to conduct the excessive charge in the 'lytics also.

--
Graham W http://www.gcw.org.uk/ PGM-FI page updated, Graphics
Tutorial
WIMBORNE http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/ Wessex
Dorset UK Astro Society's Web pages, Info, Meeting Dates, Sites &
Maps
Change 'news' to 'sewn' in my Reply address to avoid my spam
filter.



The electronic theory is probably correct - its more likely that its a
"dont scare the horses" device. Big electrolytics tend to go off like
shotgun cartridges when badly overvolted - seen far too many where the
case has literally exploded and bits of gunk spread all through the
device in question, and the room filled with a noxious white smoke.
Never seen one where the vent opened first - but then, I work at the
bottom of the electronics heap so maybe "proper" ones do vent.
73 de VK3BFA Andrew
 
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
"Graham W" <graham@his.com.puter.INVALID> wrote in message
news:41cb822f$0$16974$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
...
My thinking is that if an excessive voltage is applied to a big
electrolytic, it will start conducting like a resistance, and if the
product of the power and time is great enough it will overheat, and
if it gets hot enough it will vent electrolyte. But it's much
bigger than the TVS, and it should be able to handle more
overvoltage/overcurrent than one of these little 8 mm MOVs.

The TVS are there to protect the Semis not the Caps.

Well, the TVS has very little mass, compared to the 'lytic caps. And
whatever overvoltage comes in will also be absorbed by the 'lytics.
And it seems that if the voltage gets high enough to make the TVSs
conduct, thry will have to conduct the excessive charge in the
'lytics also.
The TVS absorb the leading edge of the spike which can't get entry to
the 'lytics on account of their inductance. It's that leading edge that
kills the semis. Think dynamic not continuous overvoltage. You only
need a few nS of a kV or two to permanently overstress the semis.


--
Graham W http://www.gcw.org.uk/ PGM-FI page updated, Graphics Tutorial
WIMBORNE http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/ Wessex
Dorset UK Astro Society's Web pages, Info, Meeting Dates, Sites & Maps
Change 'news' to 'sewn' in my Reply address to avoid my spam filter.
 

Welcome to EDABoard.com

Sponsor

Back
Top