Macrovision defeater

[DavidW]

Phil Allison wrote:

"David Wanker = FUCKWIT "

Quote from above: "video input to a VCR"
No mention of copying.

** But you did mention copying:

But not that I was copying anything.


** Pedantic bullshit - like all your thinking.


( snip stupid crap)

Yes, you don't want to revisit that.

" Its purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection .. "


Macrovision only affects VCRs when RECORDING to tape.

It affects my Sony VCR whether recording or not.


** That is not usual.


** See how this utter fuckwit ignores the main point completely .

Two out of two VCRs I've mine of the biggest VCR brands you could buy don't make
the distinction. I think you are simply wrong about this. In any case, what did
you expect me to add?

** The you need to explain more - cos TV sets are not bothered by
Macroviosion.

I explained enough for what I was asking.


** You made everyone think you were recording to the VCR

Irrelevant.


** Fraid it is 100% relevant to my posted question.


I asked on an electronics ng why an electronic Macrovision-removing
device does not work with NTSC.

** A fuckwit question to begin with.

Questions don't need your approval, Phil.

I mentioned the VCR only for background, since if the signal were not
going into a copying device I would not need the video stabilizer at
all. Even if I were copying, what difference should that make to the
answers?

** FFS - imbecile, the whole purpose of Macrovision is to defeat
RECORDING of a video signal by a VCR.

Irrelevant to my question, which was about the device.

I described the setup ...


** We can all see what you wrote and it is completely MISLEADING !!

No. If you just stuck to what I wrote instead of jumping to assumptions you
would have been relevant.

 

[DavidW]

John Tserkezis wrote:

DavidW wrote:

The particular product that won't work is an NTSC version of the DVD
box set of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (seven seasons, about 40 DVDs).
What pisses me off is that I don't want to copy them. I only use the
VCR as a switching box or occasionally to play an old tape. I would
have thought that the VCR could have been made so the protection
only comes into effect when you actually record something, not when
you are just using it as a pass-through device. I shouldn't have to
re-cable my equipment to get around this crap. Also, I read
somewhere that there are standards for video signals and that
Macrovision deliberately breaches them.

Oh, don't bother with that. I decode the DVD directly. It's much
easier, more flexible and faster than stuffing around with macrovision
boxes.
Kinda like making HDMI entirely pointless. It was *supposed* to stop
people from taking the DVD/blueray stream and passing into a black box
that duplicates elsewhere. They employ a combination of encryption
and security by obscurity to stop people from doing things that way.

Unfortunately for them, since DVD and BlueRay encryption was hacked
within a week of release, thus by-passing the HDMI issue altogether,
you not only get direct access to the raw video stream, you also get
menus as well.

But since this is not what you're after, in your case, an AV switcher
might be a lot easier to deal with. Some smaller simpler units are
available for reasonable prices. It means an extra remote, but a lot
less stress.

I haven't got into torrents at all yet. They sound like a pain. I
want to watch on the TV, not a computer, so I'd somehow have to get
the stuff off the PC and onto a DVD. Then there's finding the shows
in the first place, download problems, download cost, whatever
conversions I'd need to do, etc., etc. Much easier just to buy some
DVDs.

I'm the opposite, I've given up and changed the way I do things
altogether. I use a PC and larger monitor with a tuner to replace the
job of the "VCR" and TV of old.

I actually have a file server holding the video files, but within
reason, you can hold the video files on that same PC. So you
certainly don't need the infrastructure and hardware that some of us
have.
The added advantage is, most (proper) PC players will play DVDs with
all protection turned off. Getting past FBI warnings is easy as the
skip button, no need to be FORCED to wait for things like that. Nor
previews on some Disney DVDs.

Even better, some video cards have composite or HDMI or similar that
many TVs have, so you don't even have to upgrade your TV to take
advantage. More so, Macrolvision doesn't exist at this composite
output anymore, so you could tape it (if you wanted to).
You *DO* need a PC though.

Thanks. I might get around to something like that one day.

 

[Phil Allison]

"David Wanker = FUCKWIT "

** FFS - imbecile, the whole purpose of Macrovision is to defeat
RECORDING of a video signal by a VCR.

Irrelevant to my question, which was about the device.

** But 100% relevant to MY question - CUNTHEAD !!!

What was about what you were doing with it.

I described the setup ...


** We can all see what you wrote and it is completely MISLEADING !!

No.

** Go get totally fucked - you VILE autistic pile of SHIT !!!

YOU CANNOT CONTROL what people THINK !!

or may decide ask you by deliberate *OMISSION* of the actual facts.


Go straight to HELL and burn - you fucking stupid TROLL.





.... Phil

 

[John Tserkezis]

Phil Allison wrote:

Some are. I had a combination PVR/VCR/Tuner box,

** So not a TV set .

No, but did you miss the bit about the Original Poster who was doing
exactly that?

Or course you missed it. You tend to do that a lot.
--
Life is a sexually transmitted disease

 

[Phil Allison]

"John Tserkezis"

** So not a TV set .

No,

** Shame your fuckwit remark WAS about a TV set.

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn..............




.... Phil

 

[kreed]

On Nov 11, 11:48 am, John Tserkezis
<j...@techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:
Quote from my reply to John Tserkezis: " I only use the VCR as a switching
box
** The you need to explain more -  cos TV sets are not bothered by
Macroviosion.

  Some are.  I had a combination PVR/VCR/Tuner box, that would refuse to
deal with Macrovision (and another form of digital-based protection) at
the inputs.

  So I couldn't plug my DVD player into it (to use the PVR as a defacto
switch box) because it would forcibly blank the video.

  In my case, at that time, I was lucky enough to be able to modify the
DVD firmware to disable Macrovision and that other protection signal, so
it worked.
  I also had the added bonus of disabling the "FBI warning" blocks, that
otherwise force you to watch certain streams, so I could easily skip them..

  There are also some TVs (OK, admittedly I haven't seen any for ages)
that are not tolerant of some versions of Macrovision signal.  But I'd
disable Macrovision out of principal anyway.

  Personally, since I started using a PC to handle the job of
DVD/BlueRay/AVI whatever media, all those issues went away.  But I still
refuse to use HDMI or Displayport, again purely out of principal.  VGA,
or DVI isn't going out of style for a long time, and I'm happy with that
situation.
  When VGA, DVD (and composite) become extinct, then I would of course
be forced to use something like some more modern incarnation of HDMI or
DisplayPort.

  But only grudgingly, even though it could never possibly affect me in
the first place.

  Don't get me wrong.  In certain circumstances, I'll sell out and
squeal like a little girl for a chocolate bar and a pat on the back.
  But when it comes to copy protection on media, forget it.
--

Im at that point now that I dont buy any of it. Im completely over
the crap.

All it you are doing by buying such products is is funding companies
who
then use the profits to attack the public by bribing politicians and
spending on solicitors to push laws
to ban (with no due process) people from internet access, if in the
company's opinion they have downloaded "illegally". As well as this
IINET crap lawsuit that just ends up costing money which is passed on
to internet subscribers.



> DCE seeks DTE for mutual exchange of data.

 

[terryc]

kreed wrote:

All it you are doing by buying such products is is funding companies
who
then use the profits to attack the public by bribing politicians and
spending on solicitors to push laws
to ban (with no due process) people from internet access, if in the
company's opinion they have downloaded "illegally".

For the next 120 years.

 

[John Tserkezis]

Phil Allison wrote:

** So not a TV set .

No,

** Shame your fuckwit remark WAS about a TV set.
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn..............

No, my remark on the TV was only that some older sets had problems
with some versions of Macrovision. And that wasn't the point of my
ramblings anyway.
--
Schizophrenia beats being alone.

 

[keithr]

On 11/11/2011 12:33 PM, swanny wrote:

On 11/11/2011 12:00 PM, keithr wrote:
On 11/11/2011 9:21 AM, DavidW wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/10/2011 6:33 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

**Dunno why David wants it, but I can attest that, despite my best
efforts to move my mother and my partner's parents into the 21st
century, they stubbornly refuse to record to their PVRs and DVD
recorders (which I lovingly installed and spent hours teaching them to
use), preferring instead, to stick to VHS. Likewise, they don't watch
DVDs either. And yes, I've patiently explained that in around 12
months, they'll have almost no choice in the matter.

I think I'll sneak in one night and steal their VHS machines. It's the
only way.

Don't they have any old tapes they want to watch sometimes? There must
be a
massive amount of stuff on tapes out there. People either chuck them
out or they
need a VCR.

For about $40 you can get a little gadget with 3 RCAs on one side and a
USB plug on the other that converts whatever video comes in to DVD via
your PC. I'll chuck the pile of tapes and the VCR when I get around to
doing it

PS Of course the result looks just a shitty as the original did, but we
didn't know any better in those days.


There are special filters on moden NLE's to get that shitty look of old
tapes, film and TV sets. Ironic isn't it.


Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.

 

[kreed]

On Nov 11, 11:33 am, swanny <swa...@nospam.net> wrote:

On 11/11/2011 12:00 PM, keithr wrote:









On 11/11/2011 9:21 AM, DavidW wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/10/2011 6:33 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

**Dunno why David wants it, but I can attest that, despite my best
efforts to move my mother and my partner's parents into the 21st
century, they stubbornly refuse to record to their PVRs and DVD
recorders (which I lovingly installed and spent hours teaching them to
use), preferring instead, to stick to VHS. Likewise, they don't watch
DVDs either. And yes, I've patiently explained that in around 12
months, they'll have almost no choice in the matter.

I think I'll sneak in one night and steal their VHS machines. It's the
only way.

Don't they have any old tapes they want to watch sometimes? There must
be a
massive amount of stuff on tapes out there. People either chuck them
out or they
need a VCR.

For about $40 you can get a little gadget with 3 RCAs on one side and a
USB plug on the other that converts whatever video comes in to DVD via
your PC. I'll chuck the pile of tapes and the VCR when I get around to
doing it

PS Of course the result looks just a shitty as the original did, but we
didn't know any better in those days.

There are special filters on moden NLE's to get that shitty look of old
tapes, film and TV sets. Ironic isn't it.

Will they also add scratchy and surface noise to your MP3 to simulate
vinyl

 

On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 05:01:45 -0800 (PST), kreed
<kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 11, 11:33 am, swanny <swa...@nospam.net> wrote:
On 11/11/2011 12:00 PM, keithr wrote:









On 11/11/2011 9:21 AM, DavidW wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/10/2011 6:33 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

**Dunno why David wants it, but I can attest that, despite my best
efforts to move my mother and my partner's parents into the 21st
century, they stubbornly refuse to record to their PVRs and DVD
recorders (which I lovingly installed and spent hours teaching them to
use), preferring instead, to stick to VHS. Likewise, they don't watch
DVDs either. And yes, I've patiently explained that in around 12
months, they'll have almost no choice in the matter.

I think I'll sneak in one night and steal their VHS machines. It's the
only way.

Don't they have any old tapes they want to watch sometimes? There must
be a
massive amount of stuff on tapes out there. People either chuck them
out or they
need a VCR.

For about $40 you can get a little gadget with 3 RCAs on one side and a
USB plug on the other that converts whatever video comes in to DVD via
your PC. I'll chuck the pile of tapes and the VCR when I get around to
doing it

PS Of course the result looks just a shitty as the original did, but we
didn't know any better in those days.

There are special filters on moden NLE's to get that shitty look of old
tapes, film and TV sets. Ironic isn't it.

Will they also add scratchy and surface noise to your MP3 to simulate
vinyl

iZotope Vinyl

 

[Barry OGrady]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:21:26 +1100, "DavidW" <no@email.provided>
wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/10/2011 6:33 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

**Dunno why David wants it, but I can attest that, despite my best
efforts to move my mother and my partner's parents into the 21st
century, they stubbornly refuse to record to their PVRs and DVD
recorders (which I lovingly installed and spent hours teaching them to
use), preferring instead, to stick to VHS. Likewise, they don't watch
DVDs either. And yes, I've patiently explained that in around 12
months, they'll have almost no choice in the matter.

I think I'll sneak in one night and steal their VHS machines. It's the
only way.

Don't they have any old tapes they want to watch sometimes? There must be a
massive amount of stuff on tapes out there. People either chuck them out or they
need a VCR.

I have a VHS tape on which I recorded some FMTV similcast programs
in 1986 and which still plays.

 

[kreed]

On Nov 13, 6:19 am, initial and surn...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 05:01:45 -0800 (PST), kreed



kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 11, 11:33 am, swanny <swa...@nospam.net> wrote:
On 11/11/2011 12:00 PM, keithr wrote:

On 11/11/2011 9:21 AM, DavidW wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/10/2011 6:33 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

**Dunno why David wants it, but I can attest that, despite my best
efforts to move my mother and my partner's parents into the 21st
century, they stubbornly refuse to record to their PVRs and DVD
recorders (which I lovingly installed and spent hours teaching them to
use), preferring instead, to stick to VHS. Likewise, they don't watch
DVDs either. And yes, I've patiently explained that in around 12
months, they'll have almost no choice in the matter.

I think I'll sneak in one night and steal their VHS machines. It's the
only way.

Don't they have any old tapes they want to watch sometimes? There must
be a
massive amount of stuff on tapes out there. People either chuck them
out or they
need a VCR.

For about $40 you can get a little gadget with 3 RCAs on one side and a
USB plug on the other that converts whatever video comes in to DVD via
your PC. I'll chuck the pile of tapes and the VCR when I get around to
doing it

PS Of course the result looks just a shitty as the original did, but we
didn't know any better in those days.

There are special filters on moden NLE's to get that shitty look of old
tapes, film and TV sets. Ironic isn't it.

Will they also add scratchy and surface noise to your MP3 to simulate
vinyl

iZotope Vinyl    

I see it but I don't believe it

 

[DavidW]

Phil Allison wrote:

"David Wanker = FUCKWIT "


** FFS - imbecile, the whole purpose of Macrovision is to defeat
RECORDING of a video signal by a VCR.

Irrelevant to my question, which was about the device.


** But 100% relevant to MY question - CUNTHEAD !!!

What was about what you were doing with it.



I described the setup ...


** We can all see what you wrote and it is completely MISLEADING !!

No.


** Go get totally fucked - you VILE autistic pile of SHIT !!!

YOU CANNOT CONTROL what people THINK !!

or may decide ask you by deliberate *OMISSION* of the actual facts.


Go straight to HELL and burn - you fucking stupid TROLL.

It's as though Phil is determined to get to this point in every thread he
responds to. He's only on Usenet to look for excuses to fly off the handle at
someone.

 

[DavidW]

Phil Allison wrote:

"David Wanker "

Quote from above: "video input to a VCR"
No mention of copying.

** But you did mention copying:

But not that I was copying anything.


** Pedantic bullshit - like all your thinking.


" Its purpose is to remove the Macrovision copy protection .. "


Macrovision only affects VCRs when RECORDING to tape.

It affects my Sony VCR whether recording or not.


** That is not usual.


** The you need to explain more - cos TV sets are not bothered by
Macroviosion.

I explained enough for what I was asking.


** You made everyone think you were recording to the VCR

- by failing to mention that you were not.

Fuckwit.

No. My OP ended with: "I suppose there's nothing I can do to get around it other
than bypass the VCR." That doesn't make sense if my aim is to record on the VCR.

 

[keithr]

On 15/11/2011 9:51 AM, DavidW wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:
"David Wanker = FUCKWIT"


** FFS - imbecile, the whole purpose of Macrovision is to defeat
RECORDING of a video signal by a VCR.

Irrelevant to my question, which was about the device.


** But 100% relevant to MY question - CUNTHEAD !!!

What was about what you were doing with it.



I described the setup ...


** We can all see what you wrote and it is completely MISLEADING !!

No.


** Go get totally fucked - you VILE autistic pile of SHIT !!!

YOU CANNOT CONTROL what people THINK !!

or may decide ask you by deliberate *OMISSION* of the actual facts.


Go straight to HELL and burn - you fucking stupid TROLL.

It's as though Phil is determined to get to this point in every thread he
responds to. He's only on Usenet to look for excuses to fly off the handle at
someone.


No he's only on Usenet because nobody can stand him in real life.