Lower voltage diode the other side of a step up transformer?...

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 09:42:09 -0800, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 16:05:37 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

I was actually talking about a stepup transformer. 120V to 6000V. Yes it\'s American, I got it cheap. To avoid finding a 6000V diode, I thought I could use a 120V diode. From all the answers it appears I was wrong to assume because the current is going one way through the primary it must be going the same way through the secondary. Actually the DC component is lost and the AC is passed, so I just get squint AC.

Trying to make a high voltage DC supply? You can get 1KV 1 amp diodes
for a few cents each. Those can be used in series.

When I was a kid, I used old neon sign transformers and 1B3 rectifier
tubes to make high voltage DC supplies. I couldn\'t afford a Variac so
adjusted the filament voltage to regulate the output voltage. I used a
D-cell battery and a rheostat, and somehow I\'m still alive.

Digikey has a 16 KV diode for 33 cents.
 
On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 18:09:09 +0100, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid>
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 08:26:50 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


The prime function of SED is to discuss electronics design, and
another is to help people who have questions or don\'t understand
everything or who want to play with ideas.

If you stop being mindlessly nasty and think about electronics, and
try to be helpful, you\'ll be better off. But you are trapped in
meanness and can\'t break out.

Sloman is similarly trapped. So says absurd things about the topic,
just to be contradictory.

Just stop feeding the troll (additionally you might also stop being a
typical senile smartass) and everything will be all right!

I\'m all right. You are clearly damaged.

Use your intelligence and repair yourself.
 
On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 16:51:19 +0000, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

> The penny drops.

Not with you though: You obviously you don\'t yet know that the sociopathic
gay wanker once posted a picture online of a \"degree\" he has in electronics!
After all, his IQ is 140! LMAO

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On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 09:42:09 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


> Trying to make a high voltage DC supply?

Nope, troll-feeding senile idiot: He ONLY tries to get as much attention as
possible from all the assorted troll-feeding senile assholes in these
groups!
 
On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 09:54:53 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-loving senile asshole, blathered:


Just stop feeding the troll (additionally you might also stop being a
typical senile smartass) and everything will be all right!

I\'m all right. You are clearly damaged.

Use your intelligence and repair yourself.

IOW, you WON\'T stop feeding the troll and you will CONTINUE being a typical
senile smartass! But no suprise! <BG>
 
On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 04:54:53 +1100, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 18:09:09 +0100, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 08:26:50 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


The prime function of SED is to discuss electronics design, and
another is to help people who have questions or don\'t understand
everything or who want to play with ideas.

If you stop being mindlessly nasty and think about electronics, and
try to be helpful, you\'ll be better off. But you are trapped in
meanness and can\'t break out.

Sloman is similarly trapped. So says absurd things about the topic,
just to be contradictory.

Just stop feeding the troll (additionally you might also stop being a
typical senile smartass) and everything will be all right!

I\'m all right. You are clearly damaged.

Use your intelligence

That is long gone.

> and repair yourself.

Its always been irrepairable.
 
On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 05:55:29 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 04:54:53 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 18:09:09 +0100, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 08:26:50 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


The prime function of SED is to discuss electronics design, and
another is to help people who have questions or don\'t understand
everything or who want to play with ideas.

If you stop being mindlessly nasty and think about electronics, and
try to be helpful, you\'ll be better off. But you are trapped in
meanness and can\'t break out.

Sloman is similarly trapped. So says absurd things about the topic,
just to be contradictory.

Just stop feeding the troll (additionally you might also stop being a
typical senile smartass) and everything will be all right!

I\'m all right. You are clearly damaged.

Use your intelligence

That is long gone.

and repair yourself.

Its always been irrepairable.

Yeah, most people, after they get into a nasty loop, can never break
out.

Hunching over a screen and mousing all day is bad for the body and
soul. I make myself get some exercize every day (just got soaked and
froze) and that helps.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-all-natural-treatment-to-fight-depression
 
On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 05:55:29 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

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On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 11:44:41 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


Yeah, most people, after they get into a nasty loop, can never break
out.

Found yet another internationally recognized demented troll to feed,
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE? Why am I not suprised! LOL

Hunching over a screen and mousing all day is bad for the body and
soul. I make myself get some exercize every day (just got soaked and
froze) and that helps.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-all-natural-treatment-to-fight-depression

STILL being a typical senile smartass? LMAO Just what is it with all you
useless senile morons?
 
On 3/4/2023 11:44 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 05:55:29 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 04:54:53 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 18:09:09 +0100, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 08:26:50 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


The prime function of SED is to discuss electronics design, and
another is to help people who have questions or don\'t understand
everything or who want to play with ideas.

If you stop being mindlessly nasty and think about electronics, and
try to be helpful, you\'ll be better off. But you are trapped in
meanness and can\'t break out.

Sloman is similarly trapped. So says absurd things about the topic,
just to be contradictory.

Just stop feeding the troll (additionally you might also stop being a
typical senile smartass) and everything will be all right!

I\'m all right. You are clearly damaged.

Use your intelligence

That is long gone.

and repair yourself.

Its always been irrepairable.

Yeah, most people, after they get into a nasty loop, can never break
out.

Hunching over a screen and mousing all day is bad for the body and
soul. I make myself get some exercize every day (just got soaked and
froze) and that helps.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-all-natural-treatment-to-fight-depression

You could exercise restraint, and stop feeding the troll.
 
On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 12:08:15 -0800, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3/4/2023 11:44 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 05:55:29 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 04:54:53 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 18:09:09 +0100, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 08:26:50 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


The prime function of SED is to discuss electronics design, and
another is to help people who have questions or don\'t understand
everything or who want to play with ideas.

If you stop being mindlessly nasty and think about electronics, and
try to be helpful, you\'ll be better off. But you are trapped in
meanness and can\'t break out.

Sloman is similarly trapped. So says absurd things about the topic,
just to be contradictory.

Just stop feeding the troll (additionally you might also stop being a
typical senile smartass) and everything will be all right!

I\'m all right. You are clearly damaged.

Use your intelligence

That is long gone.

and repair yourself.

Its always been irrepairable.

Yeah, most people, after they get into a nasty loop, can never break
out.

Hunching over a screen and mousing all day is bad for the body and
soul. I make myself get some exercize every day (just got soaked and
froze) and that helps.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-all-natural-treatment-to-fight-depression



You could exercise restraint, and stop feeding the troll.

It\'s only a newsgroup.

Do you design electronics?
 
On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 06:44:41 +1100, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 05:55:29 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 04:54:53 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 18:09:09 +0100, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 08:26:50 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously
brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


The prime function of SED is to discuss electronics design, and
another is to help people who have questions or don\'t understand
everything or who want to play with ideas.

If you stop being mindlessly nasty and think about electronics, and
try to be helpful, you\'ll be better off. But you are trapped in
meanness and can\'t break out.

Sloman is similarly trapped. So says absurd things about the topic,
just to be contradictory.

Just stop feeding the troll (additionally you might also stop being a
typical senile smartass) and everything will be all right!

I\'m all right. You are clearly damaged.

Use your intelligence

That is long gone.

and repair yourself.

Its always been irrepairable.

Yeah, most people, after they get into a nasty loop, can never break
out.

Not just a nasty loop. any loop for most people.

Hunching over a screen and mousing all day is bad for the body and
soul.

Not convinced.

I make myself get some exercize every day (just got soaked and
froze) and that helps.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-all-natural-treatment-to-fight-depression

I don\'t get depression.
 
On 3/4/2023 1:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 12:08:15 -0800, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3/4/2023 11:44 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 05:55:29 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 04:54:53 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 18:09:09 +0100, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 08:26:50 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


The prime function of SED is to discuss electronics design, and
another is to help people who have questions or don\'t understand
everything or who want to play with ideas.

If you stop being mindlessly nasty and think about electronics, and
try to be helpful, you\'ll be better off. But you are trapped in
meanness and can\'t break out.

Sloman is similarly trapped. So says absurd things about the topic,
just to be contradictory.

Just stop feeding the troll (additionally you might also stop being a
typical senile smartass) and everything will be all right!

I\'m all right. You are clearly damaged.

Use your intelligence

That is long gone.

and repair yourself.

Its always been irrepairable.

Yeah, most people, after they get into a nasty loop, can never break
out.

Hunching over a screen and mousing all day is bad for the body and
soul. I make myself get some exercize every day (just got soaked and
froze) and that helps.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-all-natural-treatment-to-fight-depression



You could exercise restraint, and stop feeding the troll.

It\'s only a newsgroup.

Do you design electronics?

On occasion.
 
On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 08:32:46 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

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On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 3:27:09 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 08:59:24 +0100, Peeler <trol...@valid.invalid
wrote:
On Fri, 03 Mar 2023 19:04:07 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


I thought current always flowed the same way in primary and secondary..... You know, phases and all that.

Assume a loaded bifilar transformer, both dots up, and draw the
winding currents.

The reason that loading a transformer doesn\'t make it saturate is
because the primary excitation flux and the flux from the secondary
load current cancel. Loading a transformer reduces the core flux.

The reason why the trolling attention whore will keep asking ever more
retarded \"questions\" is because you troll-feeding senile assholes will keep
answering them.

The prime function of SED is to discuss electronics design, and
another is to help people who have questions or don\'t understand
everything or who want to play with ideas.

John Larkin doesn\'t know what electronic design looks like - he confuses it with fiddling with circuits until he finds one that works.
And his idea of playing with ideas is to trot out bad ones.

If you stop being mindlessly nasty and think about electronics, and
try to be helpful, you\'ll be better off. But you are trapped in
meanness and can\'t break out.

Sloman is similarly trapped.

So says absurd things about the topic, just to be contradictory.

I say things that John Larkin doesn\'t understand and consequently finds absurd. I do get a bit unkind when responding to that kind of nonsense.

That isn\'t actually being mindlessly nasty, though John Larkin isn\'t really intellectually equipped to recognise this.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 3:28:39 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 12:16:59 +0000, Max Demian <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 04/03/2023 01:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 16:13:19 -0000, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 09:45:26 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

<snip>

Or should learn more. Spice is a good tool for things like this. As
Mike E says, the main function of LT Spice is to train your instincts.

Sadly, an instinct is an \"an innate, typically fixed pattern of behaviour in animals in response to certain stimuli.\"the homing instinct\" \"

You can\'t train an innate response. You can build up a personal data base of how simulated circuits respond to particular sorts of stimuli.

John Larkin has been known to post LTSpice .asc files that don\'t run for long enough to let you see what\'s actually going on, so his personal data base may be built up out of simulations that showed him what he wanted to see.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 20:13:46 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 2:04:20?PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 01:23:17 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
C...@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 16:13:19 -0000, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 09:45:26 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
C...@nospam.com> wrote:

Can I put a diode BEFORE a step up transformer so I can use a lower voltage diode for half wave rectification?

Ah. Humor. Thanks for the laugh.

I thought current always flowed the same way in primary and secondary.... You know, phases and all that.
Assume a loaded bifilar transformer, both dots up, and draw the
winding currents.

The reason that loading a transformer doesn\'t make it saturate is
because the primary excitation flux and the flux from the secondary
load current cancel. Loading a transformer reduces the core flux.

No exactly. The core flux has to keep increasing to generate the voltage the drives the current into the external load. Because you drive transformers with AC the voltage eventually reverses, ideally before you saturate the core.

Bill, I think this assumes that the voltage is regulated with
feedback.

Driving the transformer with, say, just grid voltage would do what JL
is talking about because the IR drop when loaded, reduces the
volt-seconds imposed on the core which is what causes saturation.

Pretty sure that\'s it anyway.

boB
 
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 5:37:17 PM UTC+11, boB wrote:
On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 20:13:46 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 2:04:20?PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 01:23:17 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
C...@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 16:13:19 -0000, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 09:45:26 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
C...@nospam.com> wrote:

Can I put a diode BEFORE a step up transformer so I can use a lower voltage diode for half wave rectification?

Ah. Humor. Thanks for the laugh.

I thought current always flowed the same way in primary and secondary..... You know, phases and all that.
Assume a loaded bifilar transformer, both dots up, and draw the
winding currents.

The reason that loading a transformer doesn\'t make it saturate is
because the primary excitation flux and the flux from the secondary
load current cancel. Loading a transformer reduces the core flux.

Not exactly. The core flux has to keep increasing to generate the voltage the drives the current into the external load. Because you drive transformers with AC the voltage eventually reverses, ideally before you saturate the core.

Bill, I think this assumes that the voltage is regulated with feedback.

It doesn\'t. It\'s a simple statement of the physics involved.

Driving the transformer with, say, just grid voltage would do what JL
is talking about because the IR drop when loaded, reduces the
volt-seconds imposed on the core which is what causes saturation.

Wrong. What causes saturation is the net current circulating around the core. The current coming out secondary cancels some of the current being fed into the primary, but not all of it, because some of the current being fed into the primary is being fed in to increase net current circulating around the core to produce the voltage across the secondary outputs to drive the output current through the load. The IR drop inside the secondary is just part of the voltage that has to be generated to.

> Pretty sure that\'s it anyway.

Then you need to revisit your assumptions.,

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 04/03/2023 21:32, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 06:44:41 +1100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

Hunching over a screen and mousing all day is bad for the body and
soul.

Not convinced.

I make myself get some exercize every day (just got soaked and
froze) and that helps.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-is-an-all-natural-treatment-to-fight-depression

I don\'t get depression.

Yes, life really is pointless.

--
Max Demian
 
On 04/03/2023 16:51, Max Demian wrote:
On 04/03/2023 16:05, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I was actually talking about a stepup transformer.  120V to 6000V.
Yes it\'s American, I got it cheap.  To avoid finding a 6000V diode, I
thought I could use a 120V diode.  From all the answers it appears I
was wrong to assume because the current is going one way through the
primary it must be going the same way through the secondary.  Actually
the DC component is lost and the AC is passed, so I just get squint AC.

The penny drops.
Not totally. IIRC correctly the current in the secondary is \'backwards\';
on terms of its ability to generate back EMF.

Furthermore the impedance of the transformer to rectified AC with a DC
component will now be so low that the primary will burn out.


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