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Low on gas: Ukraine invasion chokes supply of neon needed for chipmaking
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/low-on-gas-ukraine-invasion-chokes-supply-of-neon-needed-for-chipmaking/
More chip supply troubles to come?
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Low on gas: Ukraine invasion chokes supply of neon needed for chipmaking
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/low-on-gas-ukraine-invasion-chok
es-supply-of-neon-needed-for-chipmaking/
More chip supply troubles to come?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon
Any air-liquification plant can supply it, and that does seem to be the
only source. Our atmosphere contains 18.2 ppm of neon by volume, so you
have to process a lot of air to get much neon.
Quite why Russia and the Ukraine supply 90% of the market isn\'t obvious -
there are air liquification plants all over the wourld supplying liquid
nitrogen to everybody.
Presumably you\'d have to tack on a bit more gear to take out the neon as
a separate gas, but it wouldn\'t be difficult or demanding. I imagine that
at some point the USSR made a hash of predicting how much neon they\'d
need, and installed more neon-extracting capacity than they actually
needed, and have been undercutting everybody else ever since.
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Low on gas: Ukraine invasion chokes supply of neon needed for chipmaking
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/low-on-gas-ukraine-invasion-chokes-supply-of-neon-needed-for-chipmaking/
More chip supply troubles to come?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon
Any air-liquification plant can supply it, and that does seem to be the only source. Our atmosphere contains 18.2 ppm of neon by volume, so you have to process a lot of air to get much neon.
Quite why Russia and the Ukraine supply 90% of the market isn\'t obvious - there are air liquification plants all over the wourld supplying liquid nitrogen to everybody.
Presumably you\'d have to tack on a bit more gear to take out the neon as a separate gas, but it wouldn\'t be difficult or demanding. I imagine that at some point the USSR made a hash of predicting how much neon they\'d need, and installed more neon-extracting capacity than they actually needed, and have been undercutting everybody else ever since.
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Low on gas: Ukraine invasion chokes supply of neon needed for chipmaking
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/low-on-gas-ukraine-invasion-chok
es-supply-of-neon-needed-for-chipmaking/
More chip supply troubles to come?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon
Any air-liquification plant can supply it, and that does seem to be the
only source. Our atmosphere contains 18.2 ppm of neon by volume, so you
have to process a lot of air to get much neon.
Quite why Russia and the Ukraine supply 90% of the market isn\'t obvious -
there are air liquification plants all over the wourld supplying liquid
nitrogen to everybody.
Presumably you\'d have to tack on a bit more gear to take out the neon as
a separate gas, but it wouldn\'t be difficult or demanding. I imagine that
at some point the USSR made a hash of predicting how much neon they\'d
need, and installed more neon-extracting capacity than they actually
needed, and have been undercutting everybody else ever since.
Philips used to make some very neat air-liquefying plant based on a
Stirling-cycle machine and a fractionating column. Various editions of
the Philips Technical Review explain it in great detail.
Jan, do you happen to know if they still make it?
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
Low on gas: Ukraine invasion chokes supply of neon needed for
chipmaking
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/low-on-gas-ukraine-invasio
n-choke
s-supply-of-neon-needed-for-chipmaking/
More chip supply troubles to come?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon
Any air-liquification plant can supply it, and that does seem to
be the only source. Our atmosphere contains 18.2 ppm of neon by
volume, so you have to process a lot of air to get much neon.
Quite why Russia and the Ukraine supply 90% of the market isn\'t
obvious - there are air liquification plants all over the wourld
supplying liquid nitrogen to everybody.
Presumably you\'d have to tack on a bit more gear to take out the
neon as a separate gas, but it wouldn\'t be difficult or demanding.
I imagine that at some point the USSR made a hash of predicting
how much neon they\'d need, and installed more neon-extracting
capacity than they actually needed, and have been undercutting
everybody else ever since.
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC+11, Liz Tuddenham
wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
Low on gas: Ukraine invasion chokes supply of neon needed for
chipmak
ing
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/low-on-gas-ukraine-inv
asion-c
hok
es-supply-of-neon-needed-for-chipmaking/
More chip supply troubles to come?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon
Any air-liquification plant can supply it, and that does seem
to be the
only source. Our atmosphere contains 18.2 ppm of neon by
volume, so you
have to process a lot of air to get much neon.
Quite why Russia and the Ukraine supply 90% of the market isn\'t
obvious
-
there are air liquification plants all over the wourld
supplying liquid
nitrogen to everybody.
Presumably you\'d have to tack on a bit more gear to take out
the neon a
s
a separate gas, but it wouldn\'t be difficult or demanding. I
imagine th
at
at some point the USSR made a hash of predicting how much neon
they\'d
need, and installed more neon-extracting capacity than they
actually needed, and have been undercutting everybody else ever
since.
Philips used to make some very neat air-liquefying plant based on
a Stirling-cycle machine and a fractionating column. Various
editions of the Philips Technical Review explain it in great
detail.
Jan, do you happen to know if they still make it?
Probably not. Philips is pretty much localised around Eindhoven,
which down on the Belgian border, and Jan seems to live in the
Achterhoek, quite a bit further north close to Germany. They\'ve
got their own technical university at at Twente. The distances
aren\'t all that large but it\'s in the Protestant north of the
country rather than the Catholic South. Philips did have a
semiconductor plant in Nijmegen (now NXP) but Nijmegen in still in
the Catholic south.
Philips used to make some very neat air-liquefying plant based on a
Stirling-cycle machine and a fractionating column. Various editions of
the Philips Technical Review explain it in great detail.
Jan, do you happen to know if they still make it?
Probably not. Philips is pretty much localised around Eindhoven, which down
on the Belgian border, and Jan seems to live in the Achterhoek,
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in news:1df2cd5e-a451-473f...@googlegroups.com:
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Actually, it is pretty much the same issue. Russia was selling
neon cheaply enough that it isn\'t worth anybody else\'s while to
set up the separators.
Low on gas: Ukraine invasion chokes supply of neon needed for chipmaking
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/low-on-gas-ukraine-invasion-chokes-supply-of-neon-needed-for-chipmaking/
More chip supply trubles to come?
...about the rare earth metals.
Some of those are ONLY in China, and any other place in the world has
to little of it to make any extraction processes too costly and produce
too little.
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 6:51:22 AM UTC-8,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
...about the rare earth metals.
Some of those are ONLY in China, and any other place in the world has
to little of it to make any extraction processes too costly and produce
too little.
It\'s not hard to find rare earth minerals, they\'re well spread. What
IS hard, is separating them, which takes lots of chemical wizardry.
So, while one can get a supply of mischmetal (like for the \'flint\'
elements of disposable lighters) anywhere, a pure neodymium supply for
making magnets is going to involve a shipment from China.
whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 6:51:22 AM UTC-8,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
...about the rare earth metals.
Some of those are ONLY in China, and any other place in the world has
to little of it to make any extraction processes too costly and produce
too little.
It\'s not hard to find rare earth minerals, they\'re well spread. What
IS hard, is separating them, which takes lots of chemical wizardry.
So, while one can get a supply of mischmetal (like for the \'flint\'
elements of disposable lighters) anywhere, a pure neodymium supply for
making magnets is going to involve a shipment from China.
From a recent post:
4. Nuclear Waste: Fission Products, Decay Products, Transuranics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neU0KGgQ0Z4
Among the fission products are xenon, neodymium, zirconium, and molebdenum.
- xenon is used in satellite propulsion
- neodymium is used in electric cars and wind generators
- zirconium is strong, malleable, corrosion resistant, with many uses
- molebdenum is used in carbides and high-strength alloys and superalloys
and is a trace element essential for life
Most of the fission products decay rapidly.
On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 17:11:23 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 05 Mar 2022 07:50:11 -0800) it happened jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in <ak172hh7u3n7b74dd...@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 05:45:00 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
US is killing itself as it demonstrates it is a bad idea to do business with
it as it can change deals anytime it feels like it.
Block your money, confiscate your property...
Called stealing in the free world...
BAD for business.
It\'s a shame we lost so much revenue not selling poison gas to
Germany.
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in news:dee6c6b5-
130f-418c-a219...@googlegroups.com:
snip
Actually I took your post as one from John Dope, because what you said
does not make sene in the current circumstance.
Same thing with the claims you made about the rare earth metals.
Some of those are ONLY in China
On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 05:45:00 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Low on gas: Ukraine invasion chokes supply of neon needed for chipmaking
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/low-on-gas-ukraine-invasion-chokes-supply-of-neon-needed-for-chipmaking/
More chip supply trubles to come?
It will help some if we don\'t sell the Russians any chips.
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 6:51:22 AM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
...about the rare earth metals.
Some of those are ONLY in China, and any other place in the world has
to little of it to make any extraction processes too costly and produce
too little.
It\'s not hard to find rare earth minerals, they\'re well spread. What IS hard,
is separating them, which takes lots of chemical wizardry. So, while
one can get a supply of mischmetal (like for the \'flint\' elements of
disposable lighters) anywhere, a pure neodymium supply for making
magnets is going to involve a shipment from China.