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On 11/24/2013 05:51 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
You might want to look at X10 modules. X10 has two-way switches.
It's not so much whether a switch system will work with CFLs,
but whether CFLs will work with switch systems.
Get an appliance module if you want hard on/off.
Correct. But I don't think X10 makes a three-way appliance module.
One time at Home Depot, i saw an answer to a remote light switch.I'm looking for a switch almost like the one in the URL below.
http://tinyurl.com/n5luoq3
This one has two problems,
It is made for incandescent bulbs only,
I need one that will work with CFL's.
I also need one that works just like an ordinary
wired two way switch. I don't see if this does that or not.
I would prefer to have this style flip switch,
but could put up with swmbo until she gets used to a
different style.
Mikek
Correct. But I don't think X10 makes a three-way appliance module.
They all are. You just need an X10 wireless receiver and two (or more)
X10 remote switches.
On 11/24/2013 1:52 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:33:02 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:
I want the new switch and
it's remote to work as a *THREE way switch, meaning, I can turn the
light on or off from the other switch no matter what position the first
is in. Also, I just recalled this this already is a three way circuit,
one switch is hidden behind the refrigerator.
Z-wave 3 way switch
http://www.smarthome.com/59464/GE-45614-Z-Wave-3-Way-On-Off-Kit/p.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vguVa58PGI
Same warning, "The device controlled by this Z-Wave switch must not
exceed 600 watts (Incandescent); 15 Amps, 1800W (Resistive);
or ˝ HP (Motor)."
I found lots of remote controls (tv type) but not a normal wall mount
flip switch.
I'm using a CFL, until I change it.
Mikek
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:31:09 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
X10 has been around 35 years. It's cheap, and it works.
X10 was originally a one way system and lacked a way of verifying that
the destination switch was successfully actuated. I had X10 (mostly
BSR) lighting control at my house for many years. One day, I noticed
that while I was running the drill press in the shop, the outside
lights failed to activate at their appointed times. A little testing
showed that the drill press produced enough EMI on the power lines to
jam the X10 signal. The X10 protocol tries to get around this problem
by sending the codes several times, but that's ineffective against
long duration interference.
Many current X10 models offer bi-directional 2-way control, where the
device transmits an acknowledgement. The older controllers and
devices lack this feature:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X10_(industry_standard)
Look for the buzzword "2-way" in the name.
I've got a Wemo device in use now, pretty slick stuff. I can switch my
lights on and off from Jena Germany or China, with confirmation (if I
don't want to look at the webcam).
2013: Walk into dark room and try to find your tablet computer. Login
with biometric authentication and password. On the 4th try, the
tablet finally recognizes your hung over, unshaven, and unkempt
appearance. Wait while a dozen applications insist on updating
themselves immediately. Find the WeMo light switch app among the
dozen new games the kids have installed. Push the relevant light
switch button. Nothing happens. Try again. Still nothing. Pause
watching Netflix Super-HD movie to recover bandwidth. Try again.
Light comes on.
This is progress?
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 00:02:49 -0800, the renowned Jeff Liebermann
jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
2013: Walk into dark room and try to find your tablet computer. Login
with biometric authentication and password. On the 4th try, the
tablet finally recognizes your hung over, unshaven, and unkempt
appearance. Wait while a dozen applications insist on updating
themselves immediately. Find the WeMo light switch app among the
dozen new games the kids have installed. Push the relevant light
switch button. Nothing happens. Try again. Still nothing. Pause
watching Netflix Super-HD movie to recover bandwidth. Try again.
Light comes on.
This is progress?
Pluck smartphone out of pocket, key in unlock code, swipe a page or
two over to the app, jab it a couple more times, done, go back to
waiting in queue for morning take-out coffee.
You might not enjoy my smartphone (Droid-X2). Every time I try to do
something useful, it spontaneously reboots. I should probably wipe it
and start over, but I've become accustomed to the reboots and can
probably live with it for a while longer.
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 00:52:15 -0800, the renowned Jeff Liebermann
jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
You might not enjoy my smartphone (Droid-X2). Every time I try to do
something useful, it spontaneously reboots. I should probably wipe it
and start over, but I've become accustomed to the reboots and can
probably live with it for a while longer.
I would kill it dead.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:58:29 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:
On 11/24/2013 1:52 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:33:02 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:
I want the new switch and
it's remote to work as a *THREE way switch, meaning, I can turn the
light on or off from the other switch no matter what position the first
is in. Also, I just recalled this this already is a three way circuit,
one switch is hidden behind the refrigerator.
Z-wave 3 way switch
http://www.smarthome.com/59464/GE-45614-Z-Wave-3-Way-On-Off-Kit/p.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vguVa58PGI
Same warning, "The device controlled by this Z-Wave switch must not
exceed 600 watts (Incandescent); 15 Amps, 1800W (Resistive);
or ˝ HP (Motor)."
I found lots of remote controls (tv type) but not a normal wall mount
flip switch.
Did you look at the above Smarthome URL? It's a wall mount switch.
All Z-wave saves you in this case is having to run an extra wire
between switches to make it 3-way.
I'm using a CFL, until I change it.
Mikek
It would be VERY helpful if you would supply a list of requirements
and constraints for your project. I didn't see any mention of power
limitations any of your previous postings. Note that if your load has
PF correction and the inrush current is under 15A, then you can
consider the load resistive.
http://www.amazon.com/s/?tag=duckduckgo-d-20&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=x-10%20appliance%20module
X10 has been around 35 years. It's cheap, and it works.
I've been to their warehouse in North Las Vegas. They are busy. Dr Bill
Wattenburg invented the communications-over-powerline methods they use.
...
In article <l6t77i$1pj$1@dont-email.me>,
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
Correct. But I don't think X10 makes a three-way appliance module.
They all are. You just need an X10 wireless receiver and two (or more)
X10 remote switches.
Ahem. That is not the common usage of "two-way" or "three-way".
On 11/24/2013 3:31 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
X10 has been around 35 years. It's cheap, and it works.
I'd agree, BUT.
I buy the stuff dirt cheap at garage sales.
Works well enough, but it's really old technology.
Susceptible to noise.
Needs help bridging phases of the line.
If I were gonna buy it at retail prices, I think
I'd investigate some of the newer lines.
"dave" wrote in message
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On 11/24/2013 03:31 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
X10 has been around 35 years. It's cheap, and it works.
I've been to their warehouse in North Las Vegas. They are busy. Dr Bill
Wattenburg invented the communications-over-powerline methods they use.
Interesting. The X10 Website seems to have disappeared, along with the bargain
prices. Their customer- and technical-service office used to be around the
corner, in Renton.
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 22:27:32 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
"isw" wrote in message news:isw-B09B64.21412324112013@[216.168.3.50]...
In article <l6t77i$1pj$1@dont-email.me>,
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
Correct. But I don't think X10 makes a three-way appliance module.
They all are. You just need an X10 wireless receiver and two (or more)
X10 remote switches.
Ahem. That is not the common usage of "two-way" or "three-way".
Sure it is. The appliance can be turned on or off from two or three
(or N) locations.
...
In article <l6t77i$1pj$1@dont-email.me>,
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
Correct. But I don't think X10 makes a three-way appliance module.
They all are. You just need an X10 wireless receiver and two (or more)
X10 remote switches.
Ahem. That is not the common usage of "two-way" or "three-way".
Sure it is. The appliance can be turned on or off from two or three
(or N) locations.