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amdx

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I'm looking for a switch almost like the one in the URL below.

http://tinyurl.com/n5luoq3

This one has two problems,
It is made for incandescent bulbs only,
I need one that will work with CFL's.
I also need one that works just like an ordinary
wired two way switch. I don't see if this does that or not.

I would prefer to have this style flip switch,
but could put up with swmbo until she gets used to a
different style.

Mikek
 
You might want to look at X10 modules. X10 has two-way switches.

It's not so much whether a switch system will work with CFLs, but whether CFLs
will work with switch systems. Most X10 modules can switch CFLs, and dim some
* models.

* Not to be confused with the food.
 
On 11/24/2013 7:51 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
You might want to look at X10 modules. X10 has two-way switches.

It's not so much whether a switch system will work with CFLs, but
whether CFLs will work with switch systems. Most X10 modules can switch
CFLs, and dim some * models.

* Not to be confused with the food.
Click to expand...

I may need to look into X10, but right now I need to look at the CFL I
have and see if it is dim-able.
I can't stand the kitchen light when I get up in the morning, already
changed it from a 6000K to a 4700K (4300K?) and it is slightly more
tolerable. I just need to shut it off long enough to get my first cup of
coffee and light adjust for a bit. Funny, I can fire up my computer and
that light has much less effect on me.
I did find this system uses piezo devices to produce power. Kinda neat,
But is more involved than I think I need to get.
http://www.lightningswitch.com/

Thanks, Mikek
 
On 11/24/2013 05:51 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
You might want to look at X10 modules. X10 has two-way switches.

It's not so much whether a switch system will work with CFLs, but
whether CFLs will work with switch systems. Most X10 modules can switch
CFLs, and dim some * models.

* Not to be confused with the food.
Click to expand...

Get an appliance module if you want hard on/off
 
On 11/24/2013 7:51 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
You might want to look at X10 modules. X10 has two-way switches.

It's not so much whether a switch system will work with CFLs, but
whether CFLs will work with switch systems. Most X10 modules can switch
CFLs, and dim some * models.

* Not to be confused with the food.
Click to expand...

I checked my CFL, it says "Not Dimable"
Btw, my bulb is 5000k 1550 to 1686 lumens? found three
ratings for the same bulb.
ECOT23 or sku384314. May look for new bulb, (again)

Mikek
 
"dave" wrote in message
news:RridnRtJ76IogA_PnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@earthlink.com...
On 11/24/2013 05:51 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

You might want to look at X10 modules. X10 has two-way switches.

It's not so much whether a switch system will work with CFLs,
but whether CFLs will work with switch systems.

Get an appliance module if you want hard on/off.
Click to expand...

Correct. But I don't think X10 makes a three-way appliance module.
 
"amdx" wrote in message news:l6t706$vvo$1@dont-email.me...
On 11/24/2013 7:51 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

You might want to look at X10 modules. X10 has two-way switches.

It's not so much whether a switch system will work with CFLs,
but whether CFLs will work with switch systems. Most X10
modules can switch CFLs, and dim some models.

I checked my CFL, it says "Not Dimable"
Click to expand...

I'll have to make this clear... Whether the module will turn a CFL on and off
has nothing to do with whether the CFL is dimmable.
 
On 11/24/2013 9:51 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"amdx" wrote in message news:l6t706$vvo$1@dont-email.me...
On 11/24/2013 7:51 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

You might want to look at X10 modules. X10 has two-way switches.

It's not so much whether a switch system will work with CFLs,
but whether CFLs will work with switch systems. Most X10
modules can switch CFLs, and dim some models.

I checked my CFL, it says "Not Dimable"

I'll have to make this clear... Whether the module will turn a CFL on
and off has nothing to do with whether the CFL is dimmable.
Click to expand...

Ok, I don't have any interest in dimming. What I see is most of the
simple remote switches are for incandescent bulbs or resistive loads.


So, where does this leave me?
Also, I was posting two way switch, i just realized what I want is a
three way switch system.

Mikek
 
On 11/24/2013 8:13 AM, amdx wrote:
On 11/24/2013 9:51 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"amdx" wrote in message news:l6t706$vvo$1@dont-email.me...
On 11/24/2013 7:51 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

You might want to look at X10 modules. X10 has two-way switches.

It's not so much whether a switch system will work with CFLs,
but whether CFLs will work with switch systems. Most X10
modules can switch CFLs, and dim some models.

I checked my CFL, it says "Not Dimable"

I'll have to make this clear... Whether the module will turn a CFL on
and off has nothing to do with whether the CFL is dimmable.

Ok, I don't have any interest in dimming. What I see is most of the
simple remote switches are for incandescent bulbs or resistive loads.


So, where does this leave me?
Also, I was posting two way switch, i just realized what I want is a
three way switch system.

Mikek
Click to expand...

Any switch module with two wires is unlikely to work with CFLs.
They rely on current thru the load to run the module.
When I switched to CFL, I had to rip out the dimmer modules
and replace with appliance switch modules.

There were also issues with some loads. Had to remove the module
resistor that senses the load. It's the thing that lets you turn
the lamp off, then back on for manual switching. Mods available online.
 
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:46:51 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:

I'm looking for a switch almost like the one in the URL below.

http://tinyurl.com/n5luoq3

This one has two problems,
It is made for incandescent bulbs only,
I need one that will work with CFL's.
I also need one that works just like an ordinary
wired two way switch. I don't see if this does that or not.

I would prefer to have this style flip switch,
but could put up with swmbo until she gets used to a
different style.
Click to expand...

How about this? The normal toggle style is available, too.

http://www.insteon.com/2477s-switchlinc-dual-band.html
 
On 11/24/2013 11:31 AM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:46:51 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:

I'm looking for a switch almost like the one in the URL below.

http://tinyurl.com/n5luoq3

This one has two problems,
It is made for incandescent bulbs only,
I need one that will work with CFL's.
I also need one that works just like an ordinary
wired two way switch. I don't see if this does that or not.

I would prefer to have this style flip switch,
but could put up with swmbo until she gets used to a
different style.

How about this? The normal toggle style is available, too.

http://www.insteon.com/2477s-switchlinc-dual-band.html
Click to expand...

I need to correct a couple errors I made. I want the new switch and
it's remote to work as a *THREE way switch, meaning, I can turn the
light on or off from the other switch no matter what position the first
is in. Also, I just recalled this this already is a three way circuit,
one switch is hidden behind the refrigerator.
In all my searches, one thing that never seems to be explained clearly,
will the switch work in a three way circuit? I have also seen that some
work with fluorescent lights, but CFL's are not listed. Made me realize,
ya, there's a difference.

After reading your link, I'm still undecided.

Thanks, Mikek


* previously I said Two way.
 
On 11/24/2013 11:33 AM, amdx wrote:
On 11/24/2013 11:31 AM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:46:51 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> w

I'm looking for a switch almost like the one in the URL below.

http://tinyurl.com/n5luoq3

This one has two problems,
It is made for incandescent bulbs only,
I need one that will work with CFL's.
I also need one that works just like an ordinary
wired two way switch. I don't see if this does that or not.

I would prefer to have this style flip switch,
but could put up with swmbo until she gets used to a
different style.

How about this? The normal toggle style is available, too.

http://www.insteon.com/2477s-switchlinc-dual-band.html


I need to correct a couple errors I made. I want the new switch and
it's remote to work as a *THREE way switch, meaning, I can turn the
light on or off from the other switch no matter what position the first
is in. Also, I just recalled this this already is a three way circuit,
one switch is hidden behind the refrigerator.
In all my searches, one thing that never seems to be explained clearly,
will the switch work in a three way circuit? I have also seen that some
work with fluorescent lights, but CFL's are not listed. Made me realize,
ya, there's a difference.

After reading your link, I'm still undecided.

Thanks, Mikek


* previously I said Two way.
3-ways are always an issue because of the wiring required.
Click to expand...

There's a thing for X10 that's called stick a switch.
Model is SS13A.
It's a switch plate that you just glue anywhere.
has three on/off switches and a dimmer switch.
You can stick as many as you want anywhere you want.
Works with the wireless transceiver module to access
three wired X10 modules in the house. I've never used it.
I just have HR-12A remotes scattered around the house.

There are similar keyfob transmitters that do the same thing
for x10.

And there are many different remote switches that don't use X10.
I have a sack of remote systems designed for ceiling fans.

If you're gonna buy a whole new set of stuff, X10 is pretty
outdated. Might be better of with a more modern technology.
 
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:33:02 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:

I want the new switch and
it's remote to work as a *THREE way switch, meaning, I can turn the
light on or off from the other switch no matter what position the first
is in. Also, I just recalled this this already is a three way circuit,
one switch is hidden behind the refrigerator.
Click to expand...

Z-wave 3 way switch
<http://www.smarthome.com/59464/GE-45614-Z-Wave-3-Way-On-Off-Kit/p.aspx>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vguVa58PGI>

--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On 11/24/2013 1:52 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:33:02 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:

I want the new switch and
it's remote to work as a *THREE way switch, meaning, I can turn the
light on or off from the other switch no matter what position the first
is in. Also, I just recalled this this already is a three way circuit,
one switch is hidden behind the refrigerator.

Z-wave 3 way switch
http://www.smarthome.com/59464/GE-45614-Z-Wave-3-Way-On-Off-Kit/p.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vguVa58PGI
Click to expand...

Same warning, "The device controlled by this Z-Wave switch must not
exceed 600 watts (Incandescent); 15 Amps, 1800W (Resistive);
or ˝ HP (Motor)."
I found lots of remote controls (tv type) but not a normal wall mount
flip switch.
I'm using a CFL, until I change it.
Mikek
 
On 11/24/2013 08:13 AM, amdx wrote:
On 11/24/2013 9:51 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"amdx" wrote in message news:l6t706$vvo$1@dont-email.me...
On 11/24/2013 7:51 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

You might want to look at X10 modules. X10 has two-way switches.

It's not so much whether a switch system will work with CFLs,
but whether CFLs will work with switch systems. Most X10
modules can switch CFLs, and dim some models.

I checked my CFL, it says "Not Dimable"

I'll have to make this clear... Whether the module will turn a CFL on
and off has nothing to do with whether the CFL is dimmable.

Ok, I don't have any interest in dimming. What I see is most of the
simple remote switches are for incandescent bulbs or resistive loads.
Click to expand...

Use appliance module for reactive loads.
 
On 11/24/2013 11:47 AM, mike wrote:
On 11/24/2013 11:33 AM, amdx wrote:
On 11/24/2013 11:31 AM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:46:51 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> w

I'm looking for a switch almost like the one in the URL below.

http://tinyurl.com/n5luoq3

This one has two problems,
It is made for incandescent bulbs only,
I need one that will work with CFL's.
I also need one that works just like an ordinary
wired two way switch. I don't see if this does that or not.

I would prefer to have this style flip switch,
but could put up with swmbo until she gets used to a
different style.

How about this? The normal toggle style is available, too.

http://www.insteon.com/2477s-switchlinc-dual-band.html


I need to correct a couple errors I made. I want the new switch and
it's remote to work as a *THREE way switch, meaning, I can turn the
light on or off from the other switch no matter what position the first
is in. Also, I just recalled this this already is a three way circuit,
one switch is hidden behind the refrigerator.
In all my searches, one thing that never seems to be explained clearly,
will the switch work in a three way circuit? I have also seen that some
work with fluorescent lights, but CFL's are not listed. Made me realize,
ya, there's a difference.

After reading your link, I'm still undecided.

Thanks, Mikek


* previously I said Two way.
3-ways are always an issue because of the wiring required.

There's a thing for X10 that's called stick a switch.
Model is SS13A.
It's a switch plate that you just glue anywhere.
has three on/off switches and a dimmer switch.
You can stick as many as you want anywhere you want.
Works with the wireless transceiver module to access
three wired X10 modules in the house. I've never used it.
I just have HR-12A remotes scattered around the house.

There are similar keyfob transmitters that do the same thing
for x10.

And there are many different remote switches that don't use X10.
I have a sack of remote systems designed for ceiling fans.

If you're gonna buy a whole new set of stuff, X10 is pretty
outdated. Might be better of with a more modern technology.
Click to expand...

They sell X-10 at Beast Buy don't they?
 
"amdx"

I checked my CFL, it says "Not Dimable"
Click to expand...

** That is a lighting industry term that means " standard CFL".

All of which are dimmable, with the right dimmer.

A variac works well as do most trailing edge dimmers - some might need an
incandescent lamp in parallel.

Cheap triac ( phase control) dimmers do not dim and must never be used with
a CFL.

Even when set to 100%, there are large current pulses that will eventually
kill the CFL.



.... Phil
 
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:33:02 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:

On 11/24/2013 11:31 AM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:46:51 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:

I'm looking for a switch almost like the one in the URL below.

http://tinyurl.com/n5luoq3

This one has two problems,
It is made for incandescent bulbs only,
I need one that will work with CFL's.
I also need one that works just like an ordinary
wired two way switch. I don't see if this does that or not.

I would prefer to have this style flip switch,
but could put up with swmbo until she gets used to a
different style.

How about this? The normal toggle style is available, too.

http://www.insteon.com/2477s-switchlinc-dual-band.html


I need to correct a couple errors I made. I want the new switch and
it's remote to work as a *THREE way switch, meaning, I can turn the
light on or off from the other switch no matter what position the first
is in. Also, I just recalled this this already is a three way circuit,
one switch is hidden behind the refrigerator.
Click to expand...

X10 has 3-way switches (and 4-way - same remote switch). I'm pretty
sure the Insteon will do that, too. I'm just starting with Insteon
(so far not it's not working as I expected, though).

In all my searches, one thing that never seems to be explained clearly,
will the switch work in a three way circuit? I have also seen that some
work with fluorescent lights, but CFL's are not listed. Made me realize,
ya, there's a difference.
Click to expand...

As long as it doesn't dim, what's the difference?

After reading your link, I'm still undecided.

Thanks, Mikek


* previously I said Two way.
Click to expand...
 
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:39:22 -0800, dave <ricketzz@earthlink.net>
wrote:

On 11/24/2013 11:47 AM, mike wrote:
On 11/24/2013 11:33 AM, amdx wrote:
On 11/24/2013 11:31 AM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:46:51 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> w

I'm looking for a switch almost like the one in the URL below.

http://tinyurl.com/n5luoq3

This one has two problems,
It is made for incandescent bulbs only,
I need one that will work with CFL's.
I also need one that works just like an ordinary
wired two way switch. I don't see if this does that or not.

I would prefer to have this style flip switch,
but could put up with swmbo until she gets used to a
different style.

How about this? The normal toggle style is available, too.

http://www.insteon.com/2477s-switchlinc-dual-band.html


I need to correct a couple errors I made. I want the new switch and
it's remote to work as a *THREE way switch, meaning, I can turn the
light on or off from the other switch no matter what position the first
is in. Also, I just recalled this this already is a three way circuit,
one switch is hidden behind the refrigerator.
In all my searches, one thing that never seems to be explained clearly,
will the switch work in a three way circuit? I have also seen that some
work with fluorescent lights, but CFL's are not listed. Made me realize,
ya, there's a difference.

After reading your link, I'm still undecided.

Thanks, Mikek


* previously I said Two way.
3-ways are always an issue because of the wiring required.

There's a thing for X10 that's called stick a switch.
Model is SS13A.
It's a switch plate that you just glue anywhere.
has three on/off switches and a dimmer switch.
You can stick as many as you want anywhere you want.
Works with the wireless transceiver module to access
three wired X10 modules in the house. I've never used it.
I just have HR-12A remotes scattered around the house.

There are similar keyfob transmitters that do the same thing
for x10.

And there are many different remote switches that don't use X10.
I have a sack of remote systems designed for ceiling fans.

If you're gonna buy a whole new set of stuff, X10 is pretty
outdated. Might be better of with a more modern technology.

They sell X-10 at Beast Buy don't they?
Click to expand...

Not here and it's not in their online catalog. Insteon is on their
site but no reason to buy from them. I looked for some X-10 stuff a
while back and could find no one who carried it anymore (other than
online). Seems "home automation" has gone away.
 
X10 has been around 35 years. It's cheap, and it works.
 
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