lithium battery fun?

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 5:39:32 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 2:25:44 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 4:51:36 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
-- Being concerned about Lithium batteries is not irrational They are banned on aircraft flights for a reason. If I remember correctly lithium will burn if you get it wet.

Even if the EV is not involved in the original fire, it's a problem if it's involved later. I know. I am driving a 24kWh bomb, but still less dangerous than others.

If you are worried about the 24 kWh in your battery, which will NEVER explode like a bomb, you should be just as afraid of a lawn mower, a motor scooter or any of dozens of other things that are fueled by gasoline which contains 35 kWh of energy per gallon and can actually explode under the right conditions of mixing with air. The military calls that a thermobaric weapon, or a fuel-air bomb. Very deadly. Heck, it should scare the living daylights out of you to drive on the highway with all those 400, 500 kWh bombs, not to mention the 18 wheel MWh mega-bombs.

Gasoline fire is by no mean safer, but as least it flows and spread out. Lithium fire will stay until it burns out completely.

There is no such thing as a lithium fire with a lithium battery. It is the energy in the cell being released through a short. The chemicals may burn, but it isn't elemental lithium burning. I've worked with lithium and it is so reactive it will burst into flames on exposure to water or even air. That's why it's not in batteries. BTW, the same is true for sodium. So if you are that afraid of the lithium compounds in batteries, maybe you should stop using table salt on your food. Lithium and sodium are both deadly poisons too you know.

They don't have many Lithium tanker truck fires on the highways. We had a really horrible gas tanker fire on the DC beltway some time back where the fire was so intense they closed the overpass for a few days until they could verify the steel had not been weakened like in the World Trade Center. It's hard to find on the Internet though because of all the more recent gas truck fires and explosions on the DC beltway. It seems like a regular occurrence.

Gas and diesel need to go away for many reasons. Fire safety is one of the big ones.

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 7:07:43 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 3:38:28 PM UTC-8, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
onsdag den 8. januar 2020 kl. 23.39.32 UTC+1 skrev edward...@gmail.com:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 2:25:44 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 4:51:36 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
-- Being concerned about Lithium batteries is not irrational They are banned on aircraft flights for a reason. If I remember correctly lithium will burn if you get it wet.

Even if the EV is not involved in the original fire, it's a problem if it's involved later. I know. I am driving a 24kWh bomb, but still less dangerous than others.

If you are worried about the 24 kWh in your battery, which will NEVER explode like a bomb, you should be just as afraid of a lawn mower, a motor scooter or any of dozens of other things that are fueled by gasoline which contains 35 kWh of energy per gallon and can actually explode under the right conditions of mixing with air. The military calls that a thermobaric weapon, or a fuel-air bomb. Very deadly. Heck, it should scare the living daylights out of you to drive on the highway with all those 400, 500 kWh bombs, not to mention the 18 wheel MWh mega-bombs.

Gasoline fire is by no mean safer, but as least it flows and spread out. Lithium fire will stay until it burns out completely.

And burning a 24kWh battery will release far more energy than 24kWh.


here they recently got containers for EV, they idea is to pull the car inside and flood it

https://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/wtbxmj/7872420/IMAGE_ALTERNATES/p730/dcx-77907736-20191113144023

Problem is if the car is inside a garage. It will consume everything around it before you can pull it out. I ban my EV from my garage.

Lol, you certainly are not the voice of reason. Virtually everything you do is irrational.

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[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

torsdag den 9. januar 2020 kl. 01.07.43 UTC+1 skrev edward...@gmail.com:

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 3:38:28 PM UTC-8, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
onsdag den 8. januar 2020 kl. 23.39.32 UTC+1 skrev edward...@gmail.com:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 2:25:44 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 4:51:36 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
-- Being concerned about Lithium batteries is not irrational They are banned on aircraft flights for a reason. If I remember correctly lithium will burn if you get it wet.

Even if the EV is not involved in the original fire, it's a problem if it's involved later. I know. I am driving a 24kWh bomb, but still less dangerous than others.

If you are worried about the 24 kWh in your battery, which will NEVER explode like a bomb, you should be just as afraid of a lawn mower, a motor scooter or any of dozens of other things that are fueled by gasoline which contains 35 kWh of energy per gallon and can actually explode under the right conditions of mixing with air. The military calls that a thermobaric weapon, or a fuel-air bomb. Very deadly. Heck, it should scare the living daylights out of you to drive on the highway with all those 400, 500 kWh bombs, not to mention the 18 wheel MWh mega-bombs.

Gasoline fire is by no mean safer, but as least it flows and spread out. Lithium fire will stay until it burns out completely.

And burning a 24kWh battery will release far more energy than 24kWh.


here they recently got containers for EV, they idea is to pull the car inside and flood it

https://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/wtbxmj/7872420/IMAGE_ALTERNATES/p730/dcx-77907736-20191113144023

Problem is if the car is inside a garage. It will consume everything around it before you can pull it out.

so will a regular car

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 9:07:50 PM UTC-5, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

torsdag den 9. januar 2020 kl. 01.07.43 UTC+1 skrev edward...@gmail.com:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 3:38:28 PM UTC-8, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
onsdag den 8. januar 2020 kl. 23.39.32 UTC+1 skrev edward...@gmail.com:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 2:25:44 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 4:51:36 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
-- Being concerned about Lithium batteries is not irrational They are banned on aircraft flights for a reason. If I remember correctly lithium will burn if you get it wet.

Even if the EV is not involved in the original fire, it's a problem if it's involved later. I know. I am driving a 24kWh bomb, but still less dangerous than others.

If you are worried about the 24 kWh in your battery, which will NEVER explode like a bomb, you should be just as afraid of a lawn mower, a motor scooter or any of dozens of other things that are fueled by gasoline which contains 35 kWh of energy per gallon and can actually explode under the right conditions of mixing with air. The military calls that a thermobaric weapon, or a fuel-air bomb. Very deadly. Heck, it should scare the living daylights out of you to drive on the highway with all those 400, 500 kWh bombs, not to mention the 18 wheel MWh mega-bombs.

Gasoline fire is by no mean safer, but as least it flows and spread out. Lithium fire will stay until it burns out completely.

And burning a 24kWh battery will release far more energy than 24kWh.


here they recently got containers for EV, they idea is to pull the car inside and flood it

https://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/wtbxmj/7872420/IMAGE_ALTERNATES/p730/dcx-77907736-20191113144023

Problem is if the car is inside a garage. It will consume everything around it before you can pull it out.

so will a regular car

https://www.google.com/search?q=car+fires&oq=car+fires

"A vehicle fire is an undesired conflagration involving a motor vehicle. Also termed car fire or auto fire, it is one of the most common causes of fire-related property damage."

I don't know why people like to spread misinformation that they simply made up on their own. In other words, BS.

It has become self-evident that Edward is not all there.

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On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 6:07:50 PM UTC-8, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

torsdag den 9. januar 2020 kl. 01.07.43 UTC+1 skrev edward...@gmail.com:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 3:38:28 PM UTC-8, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
onsdag den 8. januar 2020 kl. 23.39.32 UTC+1 skrev edward...@gmail.com:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 2:25:44 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 4:51:36 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
-- Being concerned about Lithium batteries is not irrational They are banned on aircraft flights for a reason. If I remember correctly lithium will burn if you get it wet.

Even if the EV is not involved in the original fire, it's a problem if it's involved later. I know. I am driving a 24kWh bomb, but still less dangerous than others.

If you are worried about the 24 kWh in your battery, which will NEVER explode like a bomb, you should be just as afraid of a lawn mower, a motor scooter or any of dozens of other things that are fueled by gasoline which contains 35 kWh of energy per gallon and can actually explode under the right conditions of mixing with air. The military calls that a thermobaric weapon, or a fuel-air bomb. Very deadly. Heck, it should scare the living daylights out of you to drive on the highway with all those 400, 500 kWh bombs, not to mention the 18 wheel MWh mega-bombs.

Gasoline fire is by no mean safer, but as least it flows and spread out. Lithium fire will stay until it burns out completely.

And burning a 24kWh battery will release far more energy than 24kWh.


here they recently got containers for EV, they idea is to pull the car inside and flood it

https://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/wtbxmj/7872420/IMAGE_ALTERNATES/p730/dcx-77907736-20191113144023

Problem is if the car is inside a garage. It will consume everything around it before you can pull it out.

so will a regular car

With regular car, you dump lots of water to dilute the gasoline. Not so easy with lithium battery.

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 9:36:43 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 6:07:50 PM UTC-8, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
torsdag den 9. januar 2020 kl. 01.07.43 UTC+1 skrev edward...@gmail.com:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 3:38:28 PM UTC-8, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
onsdag den 8. januar 2020 kl. 23.39.32 UTC+1 skrev edward...@gmail.com:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 2:25:44 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 4:51:36 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
-- Being concerned about Lithium batteries is not irrational They are banned on aircraft flights for a reason. If I remember correctly lithium will burn if you get it wet.

Even if the EV is not involved in the original fire, it's a problem if it's involved later. I know. I am driving a 24kWh bomb, but still less dangerous than others.

If you are worried about the 24 kWh in your battery, which will NEVER explode like a bomb, you should be just as afraid of a lawn mower, a motor scooter or any of dozens of other things that are fueled by gasoline which contains 35 kWh of energy per gallon and can actually explode under the right conditions of mixing with air. The military calls that a thermobaric weapon, or a fuel-air bomb. Very deadly. Heck, it should scare the living daylights out of you to drive on the highway with all those 400, 500 kWh bombs, not to mention the 18 wheel MWh mega-bombs.

Gasoline fire is by no mean safer, but as least it flows and spread out. Lithium fire will stay until it burns out completely.

And burning a 24kWh battery will release far more energy than 24kWh.


here they recently got containers for EV, they idea is to pull the car inside and flood it

https://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/wtbxmj/7872420/IMAGE_ALTERNATES/p730/dcx-77907736-20191113144023

Problem is if the car is inside a garage. It will consume everything around it before you can pull it out.

so will a regular car

With regular car, you dump lots of water to dilute the gasoline. Not so easy with lithium battery.

Same method. Stop making stuff up. Ok?

BTW, water and gasoline don't mix, so "dilute" is BS. On the other hand gasoline creates flammable vapors which can literally make a garage explode! Again, stop making stuff up. Ok?

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[John Doe]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-07/fire-at-norway-airport-destroys-hundreds-of-cars-grounds-planes

Too many people on this forum see something and jump to a
conclusion that fits in with their confirmatory bias.

I'm sure there will be quite a few such posts in this thread.

My first serious problem with a Chinese lithium-ion battery and/or
Chinese charger occurred yesterday. My drone batteries are charged
in a large and thick glass pan (thanks to all of the prior
warnings I have read). Was standing next to it when there was a
burning smell and the package was swollen to about twice its
normal size. I threw away all four of those batteries, no big
deal. If that dirt cheap charger is uncapped, I won't use it
either.

We had an outbreak of "hoverboard" (battery powered skateboard)
fires here, from cheap import lithium batteries. Batteries pack
chemical reactants very close together.

It's not uncommon among drone users, too.

When I showed my hoverboard to a friend, she said "Is that the kind
that blows up?"

After the media reports of hoverboard fires... Starting with Razor
(best known for making kick scooters with decent workmanship),
hoverboard makers began seeking UL certification. Now that fact is
in all of their sales literature. It is the only Chinese electronics
I have seen "UL listed" on. Used to see "UL" on everything.

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 11:28:18 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-07/fire-at-norway-airport-destroys-hundreds-of-cars-grounds-planes

Too many people on this forum see something and jump to a
conclusion that fits in with their confirmatory bias.

I'm sure there will be quite a few such posts in this thread.

My first serious problem with a Chinese lithium-ion battery and/or
Chinese charger occurred yesterday. My drone batteries are charged
in a large and thick glass pan (thanks to all of the prior
warnings I have read). Was standing next to it when there was a
burning smell and the package was swollen to about twice its
normal size. I threw away all four of those batteries, no big
deal. If that dirt cheap charger is uncapped, I won't use it
either.

We had an outbreak of "hoverboard" (battery powered skateboard)
fires here, from cheap import lithium batteries. Batteries pack
chemical reactants very close together.

It's not uncommon among drone users, too.

I could be wrong, but I believe they use a different type of lithium battery in small airplanes. I think they are lithium polymer and are much easier to ignite. They often include a special chip right on the battery pack to prevent the mishandling that causes them to ignite, like over charging. Still, they seem to have the occasional problem with them.

I recall looking into using them in a light for a kayak and there seemed to be a LOT of info on them creating significant problems when they burn, very hot, noxious hard to put out... not unlike a gasoline fire. At least a battery fire is contained and doesn't flow around to ignite other things unless they are right beside.

Reading in Wikipedia I believe they say the type of lithium battery used in cars is much harder to ignite. Makes sense. Aircraft require high optimization in weight, cars not nearly so much.

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[Jeroen Belleman]

Rick C wrote:

I guess you have some sort of
irrational bias towards EVs?

Referring to lithium batteries, you have to admit that
putting oxidizer and fuel in intimate proximity in the
same package is a recipe for a bomb.

Jeroen Belleman

 

Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in news:qv6oh7$l2d$1
@gioia.aioe.org:

Rick C wrote:
[...] I guess you have some sort of
irrational bias towards EVs?


Referring to lithium batteries, you have to admit that
putting oxidizer and fuel in intimate proximity in the
same package is a recipe for a bomb.

Jeroen Belleman

Hell, add some Aluminum powder!

Do LiFePo batteries have explosive 'events'?

 

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in news:qv6os7$m62$1
@gioia.aioe.org:

Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in news:qv6oh7$l2d$1
@gioia.aioe.org:

Rick C wrote:
[...] I guess you have some sort of
irrational bias towards EVs?


Referring to lithium batteries, you have to admit that
putting oxidizer and fuel in intimate proximity in the
same package is a recipe for a bomb.

Jeroen Belleman



Hell, add some Aluminum powder!

Do LiFePo batteries have explosive 'events'?

Very first search suggestion "Do LiFePo batteries explode"
I did not even have to type 6 letters.

As for the answer... NO. They are the safest Lithium formulation
batteries so far.

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 5:45:25 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:

> There is no such thing as a lithium fire with a lithium battery. It is the energy in the cell being released through a short. The chemicals may burn, but it isn't elemental lithium burning. I've worked with lithium and it is so reactive it will burst into flames on exposure to water or even air.. That's why it's not in batteries.

It's not in Li-ion batteries maybe, but coin cell Li batteries DO display a patch of shiny metal
when disassembled; I'd always assumed that was lithium. And, watch batteries
HAVE been implicated in fires.

 

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:bd729531-00bb-43bc-a644-21a0913cdeb3@googlegroups.com:

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 5:45:25 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:

There is no such thing as a lithium fire with a lithium battery.
It is t
he energy in the cell being released through a short. The
chemicals may burn, but it isn't elemental lithium burning. I've
worked with lithium and it is so reactive it will burst into
flames on exposure to water or even air. That's why it's not in
batteries.

It's not in Li-ion batteries maybe, but coin cell Li batteries DO
display a patch of shiny metal when disassembled; I'd always
assumed that was lithium. And, watch batteries HAVE been
implicated in fires.

It is not just the short. The cell's medium, when feeding that
short is also part of the fire's heat and fuel.

It depends on the formulation. Li-ion are dangerous because the
oxygen is freely available. In a LiFePo it is tighly bound.

So, the Li-ion is a heat source during that shorting event, whereas
in the LiFePo case, the heat is all in the short load. They do not
heat much when charging either.

 

[Rick C]

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 3:33:48 AM UTC-5, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

Rick C wrote:
[...] I guess you have some sort of
irrational bias towards EVs?


Referring to lithium batteries, you have to admit that
putting oxidizer and fuel in intimate proximity in the
same package is a recipe for a bomb.

Is it any worse than putting a liquid fuel into an object traveling at speed in the presence of a gaseous oxidizer? At least in the batteries used in cars the fuel and oxidizer are solid. It doesn't leak out and roam around vaporizing into a fuel-air bomb looking for a source of ignition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_All_Bombs

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[Rick C]

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 5:02:15 AM UTC-5, whit3rd wrote:

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 5:45:25 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:

There is no such thing as a lithium fire with a lithium battery. It is the energy in the cell being released through a short. The chemicals may burn, but it isn't elemental lithium burning. I've worked with lithium and it is so reactive it will burst into flames on exposure to water or even air. That's why it's not in batteries.

It's not in Li-ion batteries maybe, but coin cell Li batteries DO display a patch of shiny metal
when disassembled; I'd always assumed that was lithium. And, watch batteries
HAVE been implicated in fires.

I stand corrected. I should have said either lithium ion batterys or rechargeable lithium batteries. Lithium primary batteries use metallic lithium as the anode.

Even so batteries of all types can be mishandled and cause fires. What is even worse is having a flammable liquid that can be dispersed and ignited. No one ever made a Molotov cocktail out of lithium batteries.

There is one thing worse than having either a gasoline tank or a lithium battery in a car, HAVING BOTH!!! So beware the hybrid! Also, never ride in a car with a smoker!!! Why would anyone want to have a source of ignition right there in your hand with all that fuel around???

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[Robert Roland]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:19:06 -0800 (PST), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

>I could be wrong, but I believe they use a different type of lithium battery in small airplanes. I think they are lithium polymer and are much easier to ignite.

In remote controlled hobby planes, batteries commonly known as "LiPo"
are very popular. The term is not technically accurate. A real lithium
polymer battery does not provide enough current capability for this
use. These R/C batteries are a hybrid Li-Ion/LiPo technology. You get
the high power output of Li-Ion, combined with the low weight of LiPo.

> They often include a special chip right on the battery pack to prevent the mishandling that causes them to ignite, like over charging. Still, they seem to have the occasional problem with them.

Hobby batteries do not have protection on board. The high currents
would make them heavy and expensive. In stead, the chargers have
balancing and protection functionality.
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[Robert Roland]

On Wed, 08 Jan 2020 07:12:41 -0800, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-07/fire-at-norway-airport-destroys-hundreds-of-cars-grounds-planes

The article suggests that the fire started in a battery powered car.
This is not correct. The fire started in a 2005 diesel powered Opel
Zafira.


When the owner tried to start it, it would not start, and smoke came
out from the engine compartment. The owner then tried to start it
again. More smoke came out and then the fire started.

https://www.nrk.no/rogaland/brannen-startet-i-en-eldre-dieselbil-1.14850969

The same model car started a large fire in an Irish parking garage
last year.

The Zafira has three recalls because of fire problems, involving
235,000 cars. There are a total of 300 known fires in this car. The
first known fire was ten years ago.

Opel Norway claim that they do not know of any other car fires with
the Zafira in Norway.

https://www.nrk.no/rogaland/samme-opel-modell-forarsaket-storbrann-i-irsk-parkeringshus-1.14851110

At least one case of fire has been documented, though:

https://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/i/R6MxW/slik-endte-bilturen

Neither of the parking garages in Ireland or Norway had a fire
sprinkler system.

https://www.nrk.no/rogaland/parkeringshuset-hadde-ikkje-sprinklaranlegg-1.14850503
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Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:434cde63-c257-4e35-be24-50bb8d053ac9@googlegroups.com:

Is it any worse than putting a liquid fuel into an object
traveling at speed in the presence of a gaseous oxidizer?

(some) City busses have CNG tanks way up on top of them.

We do not see our cars being made that way though. Nor Hydrogen with
even more calories to offer.

Why? Too fucking dangerous with lolly gagging asshole Americans so
happy with life that they drive like goddamned retarded idiots.

Look at Hulkster's son. Daddy went and TAUGHT him how to get drunk
and drive, LITERALLY!

 

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:9cdef2b5-31e8-45b9-80f9-c0afec55b7a3@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 5:02:15 AM UTC-5, whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 5:45:25 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:

There is no such thing as a lithium fire with a lithium
battery. It is
the energy in the cell being released through a short. The
chemicals may burn, but it isn't elemental lithium burning. I've
worked with lithium and it is so reactive it will burst into
flames on exposure to water or even air. That's why it's not in
batteries.

It's not in Li-ion batteries maybe, but coin cell Li batteries DO
display
a patch of shiny metal
when disassembled; I'd always assumed that was lithium. And,
watch batt
eries
HAVE been implicated in fires.

I stand corrected. I should have said either lithium ion batterys
or rechargeable lithium batteries. Lithium primary batteries use
metallic lithium as the anode.

Even so batteries of all types can be mishandled and cause fires.
What is even worse is having a flammable liquid that can be
dispersed and ignited. No one ever made a Molotov cocktail out of
lithium batteries.

There is one thing worse than having either a gasoline tank or a
lithium battery in a car, HAVING BOTH!!! So beware the hybrid!
Also, never ride in a car with a smoker!!! Why would anyone want
to have a source of ignition right there in your hand with all
that fuel around???

Don't see anyone smoking in the 16" 50 caliber gun turret magazines
on Navy destroyers either.

I wonder why... ;-)

 

Robert Roland <fake@ddress.no> wrote in
news:m4le1f17oc8dkrqopc5sbocprtfr1qu9nr@4ax.com:

snip hehehe

RoRo

Ro yer boat? Gently down the net...