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Anyone in Aus built one of these or know of a suitable schematic.

Seems like a USA Company (Boltek) have a monopoly on this, which is quite
expensive!

Jackie
 
John Dunkley wrote:
Anyone in Aus built one of these or know of a suitable schematic.

Seems like a USA Company (Boltek) have a monopoly on this, which is quite
expensive!
Not quite the same but, IIRC, didn't Silicon Chip have an article on a
meteor detector a while ago?

Couldn't the same principle be used for lightning?

Though, I can sort of see how you could get the distance, but how would
you calculate the direction with only one antenna?

Dave
 
"Dave"
Not quite the same but, IIRC, didn't Silicon Chip have an article on a
meteor detector a while ago?

Couldn't the same principle be used for lightning?
** An AM radio detects lightning very well.


Though, I can sort of see how you could get the distance,

** Really ? I ( and Boltek) would like to know that one.


but how would
you calculate the direction with only one antenna?

** Ummmmm - it could be a directional one.



.......... Phil
 
John Dunkley wrote:
Anyone in Aus built one of these or know of a suitable schematic.

Seems like a USA Company (Boltek) have a monopoly on this, which is quite
expensive!
Also, a quick search found this:

http://www.links999.net/security/detectors/lightning_detectors.html

Dave
 
Phil Allison wrote:

"Dave"

Not quite the same but, IIRC, didn't Silicon Chip have an article on a
meteor detector a while ago?

Couldn't the same principle be used for lightning?

** An AM radio detects lightning very well.
They, (Boltek), mention that as well.

Though, I can sort of see how you could get the distance,

** Really ? I ( and Boltek) would like to know that one.
Interestingly enough, their screenshots show location of strikes - how
do you do that without distance, (considering you're only using one
antenna) ?

How do they configure their 'Close Storm Alarm' if they don't calculate
distance?

For the purposes of the OP, I would think that possibly using an
'average' lightning disharge strengh and calculating from the received
signal strength. Not, 100% accurate but possibly close enough for
curiosities sake.

And in fact from their WWW site: "Special processing in software reduces
the effects of strike-to-strike energy variations providing more
accurate distance information."

Looks like they do use something similar.

but how would

you calculate the direction with only one antenna?

** Ummmmm - it could be a directional one.
It is: "StormTracker's direction-finding antenna provides direction
information while storm distance is calculated from received signal
strength."

A dumb question but, without actually moving it about, couldn't your
reading be 180 degrees out?

Dave
 
"Dave"
Phil Allison wrote:

** An AM radio detects lightning very well.

They, (Boltek), mention that as well.

** No kidding - they discovered that too ????



Though, I can sort of see how you could get the distance,

** Really ? I ( and Boltek) would like to know that one.

Interestingly enough, their screenshots show location of strikes - how
do you do that without distance, (considering you're only using one
antenna) ?

** There is no distance sensing possible with one antenna.

Those screen shots are great works of fiction and pure guesswork.


How do they configure their 'Close Storm Alarm' if they don't calculate
distance?

** Ummmm - how about they use intensity ??


And in fact from their WWW site: "Special processing in software reduces
the effects of strike-to-strike energy variations providing more
accurate distance information."

** Complete gobbledegook.

Since when does averaging data produce increased accuracy of the points ??


** Ummmmm - it could be a directional one.

It is: "StormTracker's direction-finding antenna provides direction
information while storm distance is calculated from received signal
strength."

A dumb question but, without actually moving it about, couldn't your
reading be 180 degrees out?

** I don't think Boltek gives a shit - their customers are all wankers
anyhow.




........... Phil
 
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:44:37 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

the cheapest solution is www.energex.com.au
 
"The Real Andy"

"Phil Allison"

the cheapest solution is www.energex.com.au

** Where is the punch line ????

The URL alone is uninformative.




.............. Phil
 
"Dave" <QBXVRAVCYLPD@spammotel.com> wrote in message news:413e57e9@tyson...
Phil Allison wrote:

"Dave"

Not quite the same but, IIRC, didn't Silicon Chip have an article on a
meteor detector a while ago?

Couldn't the same principle be used for lightning?

** An AM radio detects lightning very well.

They, (Boltek), mention that as well.

Though, I can sort of see how you could get the distance,

** Really ? I ( and Boltek) would like to know that one.

Interestingly enough, their screenshots show location of strikes - how
do you do that without distance, (considering you're only using one
antenna) ?

How do they configure their 'Close Storm Alarm' if they don't calculate
distance?

For the purposes of the OP, I would think that possibly using an
'average' lightning disharge strengh and calculating from the received
signal strength. Not, 100% accurate but possibly close enough for
curiosities sake.

And in fact from their WWW site: "Special processing in software reduces
the effects of strike-to-strike energy variations providing more
accurate distance information."

Looks like they do use something similar.

but how would

you calculate the direction with only one antenna?

** Ummmmm - it could be a directional one.

It is: "StormTracker's direction-finding antenna provides direction
information while storm distance is calculated from received signal
strength."

A dumb question but, without actually moving it about, couldn't your
reading be 180 degrees out?

Dave
I saw a project for a lightning detector some time ago and it used Thorium
and a sharp razor edge. I don't know what principle it worked on. Something
to do with ionisation.

Marty
 
John Dunkley <dunkleyj@senet.com.au> wrote in message
news:JKb%c.22096$D7.19581@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Anyone in Aus built one of these or know of a suitable schematic.

Seems like a USA Company (Boltek) have a monopoly on this, which is quite
expensive!

Jackie

Wayback, Scientific Americans Amateur Scientist column presented a design.
It used a loop antenna plus a secondary antenna to resolve the 180 degree
ambiguity. Apparently this is a standard RDF technique.

By wayback I'm talking maybe 20 or more years, so be prepared to dig. Good
luck.
 
Phil Allison wrote:
"The Real Andy"

"Phil Allison"

the cheapest solution is www.energex.com.au

** Where is the punch line ????

The URL alone is uninformative.
(Menu) Community-Lightning Tracker


At least if you want South-east Queensland.

Dave
 
"Dave"
Phil Allison wrote:
"The Real Andy"

"Phil Allison"

the cheapest solution is www.energex.com.au

** Where is the punch line ????

The URL alone is uninformative.

(Menu) Community-Lightning Tracker


** You will have to give better directions than that.

I see no menu on the page.




............. Phil
 
bruce varley wrote:
John Dunkley <dunkleyj@senet.com.au> wrote in message
news:JKb%c.22096$D7.19581@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Anyone in Aus built one of these or know of a suitable schematic.

Seems like a USA Company (Boltek) have a monopoly on this, which is quite
expensive!

Jackie


Wayback, Scientific Americans Amateur Scientist column presented a design.
It used a loop antenna plus a secondary antenna to resolve the 180 degree
ambiguity. Apparently this is a standard RDF technique.

By wayback I'm talking maybe 20 or more years, so be prepared to dig. Good
luck.
Looks like there are plans/circuits here to build one:

http://bub2.meteo.psu.edu/default.htm

The Great Plains Lightning Locator.

Dave
 
Phil Allison wrote:

"Dave"

Phil Allison wrote:

"The Real Andy"

"Phil Allison"


the cheapest solution is www.energex.com.au

** Where is the punch line ????

The URL alone is uninformative.

(Menu) Community-Lightning Tracker

** You will have to give better directions than that.

I see no menu on the page.
The line of text across the middle of the page is a menu:

( news media centre environment network community kids site )

Running the mouse over it opens a drop down menu, (at least under
Firefox it does).

Dave
 
** You will have to give better directions than that.
I see no menu on the page.
............ Phil
That's OK Phil, just put lightning into the search box and it comes up with
a link to the service and a link to info about it.

Hope this helps,
Pete
 
"Bushy" <

** You will have to give better directions than that.
I see no menu on the page.
............ Phil


That's OK Phil, just put lightning into the search box and it comes up
with
a link to the service and a link to info about it.

Hope this helps,


** Mission accomplished - thanks control.

Found the planet to be uninteresting.



.......... Phil
 
"The Real Andy" <.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply>
wrote in message news:1kjtj0l8ckco0pdp3oa7s7r1e8sok9u0dh@4ax.com...
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:44:37 +1000, "Phil Allison"
philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

the cheapest solution is www.energex.com.au
Nice Idea but it has one major flaw I can see it all now ......

'Hmm I wonder how far away that Lightning is ?"
"lets log in and see"

- Sounds of modem dialling out followed by Sounds of modem and PC suddenly
catching fire and burning -

"Ahh yes it is close - somewhere between me and the Exchange !"
 
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:13:46 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"Dave"
Phil Allison wrote:
"The Real Andy"

"Phil Allison"

the cheapest solution is www.energex.com.au

** Where is the punch line ????

The URL alone is uninformative.

(Menu) Community-Lightning Tracker




** You will have to give better directions than that.

I see no menu on the page.
Fuck off you retartd. There is no punch line. I know you are stupid,
but even a complete retard like yourself should be able to work that
one out. Get a life.
 
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:19:10 +1000, The Real Andy
<.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply> wrote:

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:13:46 +1000, "Phil Allison"
philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:


"Dave"
Phil Allison wrote:
"The Real Andy"

"Phil Allison"

the cheapest solution is www.energex.com.au

** Where is the punch line ????

The URL alone is uninformative.

(Menu) Community-Lightning Tracker




** You will have to give better directions than that.

I see no menu on the page.

Fuck off you retartd. There is no punch line. I know you are stupid,
but even a complete retard like yourself should be able to work that
one out. Get a life.
Fuck it, i just realised the problem. Hey are there any other shitty
electricity networks in this country that give lightning trackers?
Gee, i cant wait for that next NSW fuckup that drains all our QLD
grids and forces us into darkness.....Lucky for that generator and UPS
of mine. Who needs energex anyway.
 
"The Real Andy" wrote

I see no menu on the page.
Fuck off you retartd. There is no punch line. I know you are stupid,
but even a complete retard like yourself should be able to work that
one out. Get a life.

***** Pity that the best your life has to offer is calling people
"retards"!!!
I suspect that it should be you who should get a life or at at the least a
more healthy respect for those people who through no fault of their own
suffer from an affliction.Surely you can explain yourself better than you
did (or perhaps not).

Brian Goldsmith.
 

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