Laser marking/directing system...

[Phil Allison]

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
=============================

There are swivel mounted mirrors out there with a coil already
on them which can be modulated to hard point or oscillate the
mirror angle.

I used to put \'music\' up on the ceiling with my HeNe laser
tube, and two such mirrors.

** Left and Right channels into X and Y axes ??

Did that on my home brew 5 tube 3 inch scope at age 17.


I had my first LaserDisc player and when I got my new player
since the first was acting up after being in an upright arcade
game for a couple years, I took the old one apart because it
actually had a nice little light table inside and a HeNe Tube
laser and an HV power supply to excite it with. I pumped 60 Hz
sine into one and music into the other and made lissajous on the
ceiling in my bedroom back in \'91.

5 tube 3 inch scope? On the scope face? This was on the ceiling
above the laser table.


** It was 1969 when I was 17.

Ok. I used lasers to make \"scope traces\" project.

** But not the same way or creating the same patterns as the idea I posted.

> You used a scope?

** Duh ??

So when you were 60 you went senile and angry,

** ROTFL !!

DecadantLoser has been senile and angry since birth.


...... Phil

 

[server]

Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:spnpda$1ngb$1@gioia.aioe.org:

On a sun ny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 15:43:20 -0000 (UTC)) it
happened DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in
spnjuo$10p1$1@gioia.aioe.org>:

Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:spmqbi$bbo$1@gioia.aioe.org:

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 05:57:56 -0000 (UTC)) it
happened DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in
spmhl4$1kjb$1@gioia.aioe.org>:

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in
news:20ab8ec1-3987-4557-829a-018c6c9ece3fn@googlegroups.com:

Klaus Kragelund wrote:
===================

I can get cheap servos:

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/4000903254039.html


** RC servos cannot reverse direction near fast enough for
your idea.
Small mirrors mounted on a speaker cone are far better.
The speakers could be driven with low voltage 60Hz.


..... Phil




There are swivel mounted mirrors out there with a coil already
on
them which can be modulated to hard point or oscillate the
mirror angle.

I used to put \'music\' up on the ceiling with my HeNe laser
tube, and
two such mirrors.

Yep
On the high end, I have an i-connect picop laser projector (size
of a smartphone) that projects color video using rgb lasrs and a
moving mirror assembly.
https://old.liewcf.com/i-connect-view-x-laser-pico-projector-rev
ie w-7276/

so I can project anything I want really


Sure... anything... except for political intelligence. In that
realm, you\'re the biggest loser.

Oh and \"on the high end\". You\'re not even close to the units
the
rock bands of the seventies used, much less what they are using
now.

WelI have seen lost of that stuff in the studio.

Oh boy! Yer a really good stuff seer, JanTard!

And that laser videodisc, Philps asked me to write the service
manual.

Oh boy! Shame it was not a phillips disc player of laser.

> Sure I had the HeNeon laser too at home.

You\'re mumbling... again, fucktard.

> And then, in the seventies we had holograms,

While National Geographic printed literally millions of them for
the first time.

I still have one
somewhere.

Oh boy!

> Rock bands these days?

You don\'t know what rock is from the stupid shit you are spewing
forth with here.

Are not there only rappers these
days?

You ain\'t a very bright racist putz, are ya, chucko?

> As to politics, you failed here spectaculary.

I\'ve seen the stupid shit you post. You\'re a political total
retard.

Now go back to yer mama for breastfeeding.
!

You\'re a piece of shit. You came out of your whore mama\'s ass.
They should put her in prison for failing to flush you, the moment
the severely ass fucked street slut shat you.

 

[server]

Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote in news:spnpnj$1snk$1
@gioia.aioe.org:

> Nothing about that in rfc977

Oh, that pre-web, text only POS document. Yeah, you\'re right on top of
modern Usenet use.

You\'re a fucking retard, boy. Write that.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 17:53:04 +0100, Klaus Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi

I am working on a project, just for my own business

I need a laser marking system, that can show a cross hair or other visible marking on a cardboard box up to 4 meters away

Initial thought would be class 1 laser (no approvals?) and then 2 steppers in a mechanical arrangement to provide x and y functions

I can add a USB camera to home in the laser, so the mechanism does not need to be precise

Any hints for the cheapest system?

Maybe using the optical drive for a cheap projector?

I need to be able to buy it for my own production

Regards

Klaus

You can buy a laser module that projects crosshairs for a few dollars.
There are inexpensive gimbal systems for UAV camera stabilization but
I don\'t know if they have an adequate feedback mechanism for your
purpose. They\'re typically BLDC motors.
--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 16:39:20 -0500) it happened Joe Gwinn
<joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in <fb9vrgdmvfj3rbei3k1ksi8f1ken7vh9vr@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 17:14:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 15:45:01 -0000 (UTC)) it happened
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in
spnk1s$10p1$2@gioia.aioe.org>:

Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:spmqm5$fdm$1@gioia.aioe.org:

On a sunny day (Sat, 18 Dec 2021 23:44:14 -0800 (PST)) it happened
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in
529f5bab-5701-4a58-9126-810c380d1c73n@googlegroups.com>:

Jan Panteltje puked more vomit :
============================

** RC servos cannot reverse direction near fast enough for your
idea.
Wrong

** It\'s 100%, totally fucking correct - you wog nut case.

http://panteltje.com/pub/horizontal_IR_target_tracking_4686.avi

** dead link.

No it is not.


When you post a link in Usenet, lazy boy, you encapsulate it in
brackets... <link> Thusly.

Nothing about that in rfc977
the reference I used to write this newsreader, get a clue
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/index.html

Yes, but RFC977 is from 1986, and was obsoleted by RFC3977, which was
later updated by RFC6048, and so on...

I have rfc3977 too, not the rfc6048

>Brackets are a good idea these days.

Well I have seen all sort of things in Usenet, at one time people started posting in html
that has stopped, binary attachements....
There is, AFAIK no standard on how to put a link.
Brackets are a nuisance as links are just text and cut and paste (Linux double click)
then also takes the brackets that you then have to remove.
I usually put the links on an empty line
I can have cut and paste remove any brackets, but thare is more than usenet links to copy.
Many people do their own thing, Usenet is a free world, imposing your ideas on others is your problem,
I do not HAVE to use / read it.

 

[whit3rd]

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 12:01:48 AM UTC-8, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 16:39:20 -0500) it happened Joe Gwinn
joeg...@comcast.net> wrote in <fb9vrgdmvfj3rbei3...@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 17:14:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 15:45:01 -0000 (UTC)) it happened
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote in

When you post a link in Usenet, lazy boy, you encapsulate it in
brackets... <link> Thusly.

Nothing about that in rfc977
the reference I used to write this newsreader, get a clue
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/index.html

Yes, but RFC977 is from 1986, and was obsoleted by RFC3977, which was
later updated by RFC6048, and so on...
I have rfc3977 too, not the rfc6048

Brackets are a good idea these days.
Well I have seen all sort of things in Usenet, at one time people started posting in html
that has stopped, binary attachements....
There is, AFAIK no standard on how to put a link.

Yeah, but if you ignore RFC2549, the receive end won\'t know what to do, and...
then your goose is cooked, as the saying goes.

In communication, it\'s wisest to adhere to any available convention. Even if
it means greek letters like pi and omega show up... or phrases in Latin that are repeated ad nauseum.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 20 Dec 2021 00:22:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened whit3rd
<whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
<64c60b9e-6509-4fb0-b5e7-de305c5dabf3n@googlegroups.com>:

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 12:01:48 AM UTC-8, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 16:39:20 -0500) it happened Joe Gwinn
joeg...@comcast.net> wrote in <fb9vrgdmvfj3rbei3...@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 17:14:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 15:45:01 -0000 (UTC)) it happened
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote in

When you post a link in Usenet, lazy boy, you encapsulate it in
brackets... <link> Thusly.

Nothing about that in rfc977
the reference I used to write this newsreader, get a clue
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/index.html

Yes, but RFC977 is from 1986, and was obsoleted by RFC3977, which was
later updated by RFC6048, and so on...
I have rfc3977 too, not the rfc6048

Brackets are a good idea these days.
Well I have seen all sort of things in Usenet, at one time people started posting in html
that has stopped, binary attachements....
There is, AFAIK no standard on how to put a link.

Yeah, but if you ignore RFC2549, the receive end won\'t know what to do, and...
then your goose is cooked, as the saying goes.

In communication, it\'s wisest to adhere to any available convention. Even if
it means greek letters like pi and omega show up... or phrases in Latin that are repeated ad nauseum.

Well did you notice most people here put the links as text without \'<>\'.
Not only in this newsgroup but im all groups I read,

Do not force crap limitation standards on others, same as was with html.
If people are too dumb to download a link no need to engage with them.
Usenet is free format, go by rfc.
Get a good newsreader
And anybody who can read and cut and paste and use Linux can use wget to get a file:

wget http://panteltje.com/pub/this_is_watching_over_me_IXIMG_0746.JPG

end of discussion, that downunder insulting guy is beyond help.
the other slow one too.
My mistake, had the filter off.

 

[server]

Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:sppd92$aqh$1@gioia.aioe.org:

Many people do their own thing, Usenet is a free world, imposing
your ideas on others is your problem, I do not HAVE to use / read
it.

You\'re an abject idiot. You come here and type in English. Is
English your first language? If not, you are \"conforming\" to a
convention. That being that since most in this group use English, you
get the best results from following suit, which you do.

You discounting a known convention as this(yes it is, putz), is just
like a retarded Trumper discounting the efficacy of masks worn indoors
to stop breath clouds from happenning. You\'re an idiot, but a free
idiot.

If it were truly a free world I could freely fuck you up for being so
blatantly stupid. You should be glad that it is not really as you
claim. The line is called civility.

You want to claim to be civil, then act civil. You want rank
individualism, then you are one rank indiviual, motherfucker. As in
you stink, boy.

 

[server]

Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote in news:sppmmc$rch$1
@gioia.aioe.org:

> Do not force crap limitation standards on others,

Your whore mother forced a CRAP piece of shit (you) on the world when
she failed to flush you. She forced a crap limitation on others. She
should go to prison.

\"limitation\"? You really are a complete fucking idiot.

 

[David Brown]

On 20/12/2021 08:54, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 16:39:20 -0500) it happened Joe Gwinn
joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in <fb9vrgdmvfj3rbei3k1ksi8f1ken7vh9vr@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 17:14:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 15:45:01 -0000 (UTC)) it happened
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in
spnk1s$10p1$2@gioia.aioe.org>:

Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:spmqm5$fdm$1@gioia.aioe.org:


When you post a link in Usenet, lazy boy, you encapsulate it in
brackets... <link> Thusly.

Nothing about that in rfc977
the reference I used to write this newsreader, get a clue
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/index.html

Yes, but RFC977 is from 1986, and was obsoleted by RFC3977, which was
later updated by RFC6048, and so on...

I have rfc3977 too, not the rfc6048

Brackets are a good idea these days.

Well I have seen all sort of things in Usenet, at one time people started posting in html
that has stopped, binary attachements....
There is, AFAIK no standard on how to put a link.

There /is/ a standard - you put < > brackets around the link. It has
been the standard of Usenet and email for a long time (probably since
email and the web left the realms of universities and technical users,
and became popular with the great unwashed). Every decent client
program understands < > around a link to ensure that it works correctly
regardless of where the text line breaks go.

Brackets are a nuisance as links are just text and cut and paste (Linux double click)
then also takes the brackets that you then have to remove.

Bracketed links are single-click from any decent newsreader on Linux.

I usually put the links on an empty line
I can have cut and paste remove any brackets, but thare is more than usenet links to copy.
Many people do their own thing, Usenet is a free world, imposing your ideas on others is your problem,
I do not HAVE to use / read it.

This newsgroup is a fine testament to people writing exactly what they
want with a total disregard for anyone else. But if you want people to
follow your links, then it is best to follow the standards.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 20 Dec 2021 14:49:57 +0100) it happened David Brown
<david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote in <spq1m5$u5c$1@dont-email.me>:

On 20/12/2021 08:54, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 16:39:20 -0500) it happened Joe Gwinn
joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in <fb9vrgdmvfj3rbei3k1ksi8f1ken7vh9vr@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 17:14:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 15:45:01 -0000 (UTC)) it happened
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in
spnk1s$10p1$2@gioia.aioe.org>:

Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:spmqm5$fdm$1@gioia.aioe.org:


When you post a link in Usenet, lazy boy, you encapsulate it in
brackets... <link> Thusly.

Nothing about that in rfc977
the reference I used to write this newsreader, get a clue
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/index.html

Yes, but RFC977 is from 1986, and was obsoleted by RFC3977, which was
later updated by RFC6048, and so on...

I have rfc3977 too, not the rfc6048

Brackets are a good idea these days.

Well I have seen all sort of things in Usenet, at one time people started posting in html
that has stopped, binary attachements....
There is, AFAIK no standard on how to put a link.

There /is/ a standard - you put < > brackets around the link. It has
been the standard of Usenet and email for a long time (probably since
email and the web left the realms of universities and technical users,
and became popular with the great unwashed). Every decent client
program understands < > around a link to ensure that it works correctly
regardless of where the text line breaks go.

Brackets are a nuisance as links are just text and cut and paste (Linux double click)
then also takes the brackets that you then have to remove.

Bracketed links are single-click from any decent newsreader on Linux.

I usually put the links on an empty line
I can have cut and paste remove any brackets, but thare is more than usenet links to copy.
Many people do their own thing, Usenet is a free world, imposing your ideas on others is your problem,
I do not HAVE to use / read it.



This newsgroup is a fine testament to people writing exactly what they
want with a total disregard for anyone else. But if you want people to
follow your links, then it is best to follow the standards.

Usenet is specified by rfc977 and friends
Point me to a text that sais \'<link>\' is required
Maybe you noticed or maybe not, many people put links here,
most do not bother with your concepts and do not use \'<>\'.

That maybe YOUR reader only wants \'<>\' means you should get a real one!

Bye

 

[David Brown]

On 20/12/2021 16:07, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 20 Dec 2021 14:49:57 +0100) it happened David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote in <spq1m5$u5c$1@dont-email.me>:

On 20/12/2021 08:54, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 16:39:20 -0500) it happened Joe Gwinn
joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in <fb9vrgdmvfj3rbei3k1ksi8f1ken7vh9vr@4ax.com>:


Brackets are a good idea these days.

Well I have seen all sort of things in Usenet, at one time people started posting in html
that has stopped, binary attachements....
There is, AFAIK no standard on how to put a link.

There /is/ a standard - you put < > brackets around the link. It has
been the standard of Usenet and email for a long time (probably since
email and the web left the realms of universities and technical users,
and became popular with the great unwashed). Every decent client
program understands < > around a link to ensure that it works correctly
regardless of where the text line breaks go.

Brackets are a nuisance as links are just text and cut and paste (Linux double click)
then also takes the brackets that you then have to remove.

Bracketed links are single-click from any decent newsreader on Linux.

I usually put the links on an empty line
I can have cut and paste remove any brackets, but thare is more than usenet links to copy.
Many people do their own thing, Usenet is a free world, imposing your ideas on others is your problem,
I do not HAVE to use / read it.



This newsgroup is a fine testament to people writing exactly what they
want with a total disregard for anyone else. But if you want people to
follow your links, then it is best to follow the standards.

Usenet is specified by rfc977 and friends
Point me to a text that sais \'<link>\' is required
Maybe you noticed or maybe not, many people put links here,
most do not bother with your concepts and do not use \'<>\'.

That maybe YOUR reader only wants \'<>\' means you should get a real one!

Sorry, but you have /completely/ missed the point.

Brackets around links are not a Usenet-specific feature. They are
standard for text-based information exchange, including emails and
Usenet. They were introduced long after the original Usenet RFC\'s.

But it\'s your choice. You can continue to post links in a somewhat
unhelpful manner - you are not alone in that. Or you can post links in
a way that is more convenient for everyone else. Consider /why/ you are
posting a link - is it for your own benefit, or for other people?

 

[Joe Gwinn]

On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 07:54:36 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 16:39:20 -0500) it happened Joe Gwinn
joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in <fb9vrgdmvfj3rbei3k1ksi8f1ken7vh9vr@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 17:14:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 15:45:01 -0000 (UTC)) it happened
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in
spnk1s$10p1$2@gioia.aioe.org>:

Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:spmqm5$fdm$1@gioia.aioe.org:

On a sunny day (Sat, 18 Dec 2021 23:44:14 -0800 (PST)) it happened
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in
529f5bab-5701-4a58-9126-810c380d1c73n@googlegroups.com>:

Jan Panteltje puked more vomit :
============================

** RC servos cannot reverse direction near fast enough for your
idea.
Wrong

** It\'s 100%, totally fucking correct - you wog nut case.

http://panteltje.com/pub/horizontal_IR_target_tracking_4686.avi

** dead link.

No it is not.


When you post a link in Usenet, lazy boy, you encapsulate it in
brackets... <link> Thusly.

Nothing about that in rfc977
the reference I used to write this newsreader, get a clue
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/index.html

Yes, but RFC977 is from 1986, and was obsoleted by RFC3977, which was
later updated by RFC6048, and so on...

I have rfc3977 too, not the rfc6048

Got away from you...

Brackets are a good idea these days.

Well I have seen all sort of things in Usenet, at one time people started posting in html
that has stopped, binary attachements....
There is, AFAIK no standard on how to put a link.

Yes and no. The most common way is <>. A standard is emerging in the
field, as always driven by necessity. Or more to the point, annoyance
with wrapped urls not working, and often being impractical to sort
out.

This kind of experience driven development is precisely how all the
RFCs came about, and TCP/IP vanquished ISO-OSI and the seven layers.

Brackets are a nuisance as links are just text and cut and paste (Linux double click)
then also takes the brackets that you then have to remove.

Not necessary to remove the brackets. Just click the link within, and
the browser or email client or whatever should be able to figure it
out, despite line breaks.

I\'ll grant that there are older browsers and clients that don\'t do
this, or do it correctly, but most current-update versions do.


>I usually put the links on an empty line

Which works for short links. Which links grow longer as the email
trail grows with nested quoting.

I can have cut and paste remove any brackets, but thare is more than usenet links to copy.
Many people do their own thing, Usenet is a free world, imposing your ideas on others is your problem,
I do not HAVE to use / read it.

True enough. There are no bracket police to fight off with a
sharpened penguin.


Joe Gwinn

 

[server]

Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in
newsss1sg9rnk4on1b33d8vu05qgsta96uol5@4ax.com:

On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 07:54:36 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 16:39:20 -0500) it happened Joe
Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in
fb9vrgdmvfj3rbei3k1ksi8f1ken7vh9vr@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 17:14:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 19 Dec 2021 15:45:01 -0000 (UTC)) it
happened DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in
spnk1s$10p1$2@gioia.aioe.org>:

Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:spmqm5$fdm$1@gioia.aioe.org:

On a sunny day (Sat, 18 Dec 2021 23:44:14 -0800 (PST)) it
happened Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in
529f5bab-5701-4a58-9126-810c380d1c73n@googlegroups.com>:

Jan Panteltje puked more vomit :
============================

** RC servos cannot reverse direction near fast enough for
your idea.
Wrong

** It\'s 100%, totally fucking correct - you wog nut case.

http://panteltje.com/pub/horizontal_IR_target_tracking_4686.
avi

** dead link.

No it is not.


When you post a link in Usenet, lazy boy, you encapsulate it
in
brackets... <link> Thusly.

Nothing about that in rfc977
the reference I used to write this newsreader, get a clue
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/index.html

Yes, but RFC977 is from 1986, and was obsoleted by RFC3977, which
was later updated by RFC6048, and so on...

I have rfc3977 too, not the rfc6048

Got away from you...


Brackets are a good idea these days.

Well I have seen all sort of things in Usenet, at one time people
started posting in html that has stopped, binary attachements....
There is, AFAIK no standard on how to put a link.

Yes and no. The most common way is <>. A standard is emerging in
the field, as always driven by necessity. Or more to the point,
annoyance with wrapped urls not working, and often being
impractical to sort out.

This kind of experience driven development is precisely how all
the RFCs came about, and TCP/IP vanquished ISO-OSI and the seven
layers.


Brackets are a nuisance as links are just text and cut and paste
(Linux double click) then also takes the brackets that you then
have to remove.

Not necessary to remove the brackets. Just click the link within,
and the browser or email client or whatever should be able to
figure it out, despite line breaks.

I\'ll grant that there are older browsers and clients that don\'t do
this, or do it correctly, but most current-update versions do.


I usually put the links on an empty line

Which works for short links. Which links grow longer as the email
trail grows with nested quoting.


I can have cut and paste remove any brackets, but thare is more
than usenet links to copy. Many people do their own thing, Usenet
is a free world, imposing your ideas on others is your problem,
I do not HAVE to use / read it.

True enough. There are no bracket police to fight off with a
sharpened penguin.


Joe Gwinn

It is all about being considerate of others. Or as is in this case,
deliberately NOT being considerate of others, despite the convention
being around for quite some time. He ain\'t shittin\' this kid. He
knew about it. He\'s one of those \'thumbs his nose at conventions\'
kind of guy. Works for great progress in some instances, typically
not, however as the last 5 years have succinctly proven