Large IDE drives not compatable with old systems

[D Yuniskis]

Gareth Magennis wrote:

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On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 22:05:01 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:

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On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:42:55 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:


Interesting stuff guys. Thanks.


In this case there is no OS on the disk at all, the 2480 does not boot
from it.
I have successfully upgraded the 2480's OS via MIDI onto its onboard
Flash, with no valid hard drive installed. The drive is purely
storage.

Does this make things any easier?
Is cloning the new drive from the working (noisy) one a viable
proposition?



Cheers,


Gareth.


It is viable. Would need to be done in a PC, bit for Bit copy. But I'm
not sure if you need to clone it without me knowing the file system. I
snuck in here late, just what is the equipment. I've spent a couple
decades with digital recorders from Fostex, Otari and DVR recorders
from SA, Samsung and Cisco. The firmware embedded OS isn't a problem
but I'd like to do a little research on what a 2840 is.





http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=339




Its kinda old in technology terms, but not that old really.



Cheers,


Gareth.

Have you contacted Roland support? That would be the first thing I would
do. Obviously there is content on the noisy hard drive you wish to
transfer and I am certain this is not a unique situation that Roland/Boss
would have support for.

--



I am in regular contact with the Roland Service Dept. UK. They do not

--------------------------------------------------------^^

have a specific solution, though are very helpful. This is, after all,
an obsolete piece of equipment, designed for a 40Gb hard drive, that

Try a slightly smaller drive (80 or 120G)

worked very well. Shame you can't buy the drives any more.

It would be rather neat, though, to find a working solution!

Which side of the pond are you on (I suspect the "wrong" side :> )?
I can send you a drive or three...

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gareth Magennis wrote:

"Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 22:05:01 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:

"Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
newsan.2010.11.04.21.55.31@lmao.lol.lol...
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:42:55 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:


Interesting stuff guys. Thanks.


In this case there is no OS on the disk at all, the 2480 does not boot
from it.
I have successfully upgraded the 2480's OS via MIDI onto its onboard
Flash, with no valid hard drive installed. The drive is purely
storage.

Does this make things any easier?
Is cloning the new drive from the working (noisy) one a viable
proposition?



Cheers,


Gareth.


It is viable. Would need to be done in a PC, bit for Bit copy. But I'm
not sure if you need to clone it without me knowing the file system. I
snuck in here late, just what is the equipment. I've spent a couple
decades with digital recorders from Fostex, Otari and DVR recorders
from SA, Samsung and Cisco. The firmware embedded OS isn't a problem
but I'd like to do a little research on what a 2840 is.





http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=339




Its kinda old in technology terms, but not that old really.



Cheers,


Gareth.

Have you contacted Roland support? That would be the first thing I would
do. Obviously there is content on the noisy hard drive you wish to
transfer and I am certain this is not a unique situation that Roland/Boss
would have support for.

--

I am in regular contact with the Roland Service Dept. UK. They do not have
a specific solution, though are very helpful. This is, after all, an
obsolete piece of equipment, designed for a 40Gb hard drive, that worked
very well. Shame you can't buy the drives any more.

How about Ebay or an 'overstuffed' computer store?

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enough left over to pay them.

 

[Dave Platt]

In article <oTGAo.57233$7p5.33151@newsfe22.ams2>,
Gareth Magennis <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote:

I am in regular contact with the Roland Service Dept. UK. They do not have
a specific solution, though are very helpful. This is, after all, an
obsolete piece of equipment, designed for a 40Gb hard drive, that worked
very well. Shame you can't buy the drives any more.

It would be rather neat, though, to find a working solution!

First possibility: look around for somebody who has a laptop with
a 40-gigabyte 2.5" IDE drive in it. Laptop drives of this size were
fairly common just a couple of years ago, and you may be able to find
one which is still in reasonable working condition. You'd need a new
mounting bracket of some sort (or just double-sided foam tape) and a
small adapter to connect it to a 3.5" drive IDE cable, but it should
work just fine, and its performance will probably be as good or better
than the older 40-gig 3.5" drive that has failed. If you offered the
owner of such a drive a fresh 160-gig 2.5" drive as an even exchange
(that seems to be about the smallest you can buy off-the-shelf these
days) you could probably arrange a deal.

Second possibility: buy an IDE-interface 2.5" solid-state drive...
they're available in 32- and 64-gig capacity these days. Same
physical arrangements as above... mounting arrangement and adapter
cable.

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[Michael A. Terrell]

Dave Platt wrote:

In article <oTGAo.57233$7p5.33151@newsfe22.ams2>,
Gareth Magennis <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote:

I am in regular contact with the Roland Service Dept. UK. They do not have
a specific solution, though are very helpful. This is, after all, an
obsolete piece of equipment, designed for a 40Gb hard drive, that worked
very well. Shame you can't buy the drives any more.

It would be rather neat, though, to find a working solution!

First possibility: look around for somebody who has a laptop with
a 40-gigabyte 2.5" IDE drive in it. Laptop drives of this size were
fairly common just a couple of years ago, and you may be able to find
one which is still in reasonable working condition. You'd need a new
mounting bracket of some sort (or just double-sided foam tape) and a
small adapter to connect it to a 3.5" drive IDE cable, but it should
work just fine, and its performance will probably be as good or better
than the older 40-gig 3.5" drive that has failed. If you offered the
owner of such a drive a fresh 160-gig 2.5" drive as an even exchange
(that seems to be about the smallest you can buy off-the-shelf these
days) you could probably arrange a deal.

Second possibility: buy an IDE-interface 2.5" solid-state drive...
they're available in 32- and 64-gig capacity these days. Same
physical arrangements as above... mounting arrangement and adapter
cable.

Some 40 & 80 GB recertifed drives here:

http://www.geeks.com/products.asp?cat=HDD


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enough left over to pay them.

 

[Arfa Daily]

<snip>

I am in regular contact with the Roland Service Dept. UK. They do not
have a specific solution, though are very helpful. This is, after all, an
obsolete piece of equipment, designed for a 40Gb hard drive, that worked
very well. Shame you can't buy the drives any more.

It would be rather neat, though, to find a working solution!



Gareth.

Interestingly, I needed a 40GB HDD just last week to repair a Fostex
multitracker. Like you, I was struggling to find one until a friend of mine
who runs a computer repair shop, pointed me at a local computer recycler
that he knew. He had 40GB drives "coming out of his ears" was his exact
phrase, and was only too happy to let me relieve him of one for free. My
computer repair mate said that he usually had them stacked up as well, left
over from upgrades, and would have been able to help me had he not just had
a big clear-out a few days before !

Any computer repair shops or recycling agencies in your area that you could
try, Gareth ?

Arfa

 

[mm]

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 16:09:45 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
<sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to replace a faulty disk drive on a Roland VS2480 (digital audio
multitrack recorder). The likely problem (according to Roland Service) is
that the new IDE drive is too large for the 2480 to format correctly.

You ought to be able to get small drives very cheaply. Figure out how
msall you need, and if necessary but a whole computer for 10 dollars
and take the drive out. But there are places online selling the size
you need, either somewhat used or maybe even never sold, NIB, new in
box.

You can search on ebay for example, and then save your search and have
them email you every time something that meets your search criteria is
listed. I've been looking for some obscure things for 3 years,
finding them once in a while, but HDDs aren't obscure,

My other idea is to format the drive when it's not in the Roland. Use
a computer to do it and make it no bigger than Roland wants. Just one
partition, unless Roland allows more.

It goes through the format process of making 4 10GB partitions but always
fails at the end of it. If you put the failed drive into a PC you can see 4
FAT 32 10G drive icons, so the machine is seeing and writing to the drive.
If you turn on the "physical format" option, the formatting takes about 8
hours, and again fails right at the end.

And do the formatting with a computer too, not the Roland. AT least
if it fails, you'll get a better message and might be able to use hd
software to learn why it failed. Run chkdsk or scandisk first to get
rid of bad sectors.

And to connect to the computer, buy a Roswill RCW618, for 20 dollars
including shipping at Newegg.com . It connects almost anything but a
zip drive or floppy drive to a USB port, so it will have many uses.

I've tried all jumper combinations
re: Master/slave etc.

I have an old 80G Maxtor drive that the 2480 WILL format, though it is old
and very noisy. The drive I have bought is a Western Digital 160Gb PATA
drive. (WD1600AAJB)

So is there perhaps a way to fool the 2480 into thinking this is an 80G
drive?

See above.

I actually had a similar problem with my Sony Vaio laptop when I tried to
upgrade the 40G drive - the Vaio didn't recognise the large drive properly
and DMA (I think) was not turned on, resulting in extremely slow disk
access. After posting on usenet someone pointed me to an alternative
chipset driver that made the Vaio think it had a SCSI/Raid controller and
the large IDE hard drive then worked perfectly!?!

What is this thing with too large hard drives? Is there any likelyhood of
getting this drive to format?


Sorry for the long post.

Gareth.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:56:51 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Would need to be done in a PC, bit for Bit copy. But I'm
not sure if you need to clone it without me knowing the file system.

A bit-for-bit copy doesn't care about the file system. It's a physical
clone rather than a logical one.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[mm]

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 16:09:45 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
<sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to replace a faulty disk drive on a Roland VS2480 (digital audio
multitrack recorder). The likely problem (according to Roland Service) is
that the new IDE drive is too large for the 2480 to format correctly.

BTW, big drives make more heat, iiuc, even when they're doing no more
work. Is that true, people?

If so, does your roland provide adquate ventilation for a bigger
drive. What will happen if it doesn't.

Anyhow, a reason to look for an old small drive.

Go to computer swap meets. Call or email your local ham radio club--
they run the computer swap meets, and ask them to put something in
their newsletter saying what you want. The computer guys in the club
probably have loads of small hd's around and don't know what to do
with them.

For most places the next hamfest isn't until spring, but see if you
can pick it up at the guys house or come to one of their meetings if
he goes to the meetings.

To find out where hamfests (swapmeets with licensing exams, etc.) are,
got to www.arrl.com or org and click on hamfests. Put in your
zipcode and 50 miles or so and they will give you the ham radio clubs
that still have hamfests. Some have stopped, not sure of the easiest
way to find them.

Also, do you belong to a computer user group. They're like ham radio
clubs but were started for small computers. There are 3 or 4 clubs
in the Baltimore area. I used to go. They were given free software
which they looked at and then gave away to members, or even
non-members who showed up iirc. They used to answer technical
questions, and I guess I stopped going when I found out about Usenet.

IF you ask nice, they too will put your request in the newsletter.
They may charge for classified ads, or just offer them 5 dollars.
Only about 50% of the ham radio events involve computers and fewer of
the actual members. User groups are 100% computer fans. And they
probably have loads of hardware they've never used.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:42:55 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
<sound.service@btconnect.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

Is cloning the new drive from the working (noisy) one a viable proposition?

I would think that would be the way to go.

One thing to watch out for is bad sectors. If your "working" drive has
any bads, then you need imaging/cloning software that knows how to
work around bad patches in the media.

ddrescue and dd_rescue are two Linux based utilities that can clone a
drive in multiple passes. They image the easy sectors on the first
pass, and attempt the more difficult ones on subsequent passes. They
can also image a drive in reverse. Reverse imaging effectively
disables look ahead caching.

ddrescue: http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html
dd_rescue: http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/
http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Ddrescue

HDClone is a Windows based imager:
http://www.miray.de/products/sat.hdclone.html

Copyr.dma is a DOS based imager that can be used for smaller drives:
http://www.copyr.pl/pliki/copyrE13.zip

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:42:55 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
<sound.service@btconnect.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

In this case there is no OS on the disk at all, the 2480 does not boot from
it.
I have successfully upgraded the 2480's OS via MIDI onto its onboard Flash,
with no valid hard drive installed. The drive is purely storage.

What do you use for backup?

FWIW, here is a thread where someone needed to retrieve audio data
from an Akai MPC2000 sampler:

http://forums.seagate.com/t5/Savvio-Cheetah-and-Constellation/Partition-access-in-Windows/m-p/37618

The file system was a proprietary implementation of FAT16. As in your
case, the MPC2000 used the drive for storage, not booting.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[David Nebenzahl]

On 11/4/2010 8:38 PM Franc Zabkar spake thus:

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:56:51 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Would need to be done in a PC, bit for Bit copy. But I'm not sure
if you need to clone it without me knowing the file system.

A bit-for-bit copy doesn't care about the file system. It's a physical
clone rather than a logical one.

.... which should more properly be called a "sector-by-sector" copy. It's
not as if you need to move each bit individually; that's handled
deeeeeep down in the drive's firmware.


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with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

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[JW]

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 07:21:10 +0900 "Brenda Ann"
<newsgroups@fullspectrumradio.org> wrote in Message id:
<D8adnTZu49RHrE7RnZ2dnVY3go2dnZ2d@giganews.com>:

"Gareth Magennis" <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:EbmdnbK3kMxTR0_RnZ2dnUVZ7qmdnZ2d@bt.com...
Hi,

I'm trying to replace a faulty disk drive on a Roland VS2480 (digital
audio multitrack recorder). The likely problem (according to Roland
Service) is that the new IDE drive is too large for the 2480 to format
correctly.

It goes through the format process of making 4 10GB partitions but always
fails at the end of it. If you put the failed drive into a PC you can see
4 FAT 32 10G drive icons, so the machine is seeing and writing to the
drive. If you turn on the "physical format" option, the formatting takes
about 8 hours, and again fails right at the end. I've tried all jumper
combinations re: Master/slave etc.

I have an old 80G Maxtor drive that the 2480 WILL format, though it is old
and very noisy. The drive I have bought is a Western Digital 160Gb PATA
drive. (WD1600AAJB)


You will likely need a slightly smaller drive. The old addressing system was
only good to 127GB, so the largest you can likely use is a 120GB drive.
^^^^^

137GB.

 

[Meat Plow]

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 22:57:27 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:

"Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
newsan.2010.11.04.22.35.34@lmao.lol.lol...
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 22:05:01 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:

"Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
newsan.2010.11.04.21.55.31@lmao.lol.lol...
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:42:55 +0000, Gareth Magennis wrote:


Interesting stuff guys. Thanks.


In this case there is no OS on the disk at all, the 2480 does not
boot from it.
I have successfully upgraded the 2480's OS via MIDI onto its onboard
Flash, with no valid hard drive installed. The drive is purely
storage.

Does this make things any easier?
Is cloning the new drive from the working (noisy) one a viable
proposition?



Cheers,


Gareth.


It is viable. Would need to be done in a PC, bit for Bit copy. But
I'm not sure if you need to clone it without me knowing the file
system. I snuck in here late, just what is the equipment. I've spent
a couple decades with digital recorders from Fostex, Otari and DVR
recorders from SA, Samsung and Cisco. The firmware embedded OS isn't
a problem but I'd like to do a little research on what a 2840 is.





http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=339




Its kinda old in technology terms, but not that old really.



Cheers,


Gareth.

Have you contacted Roland support? That would be the first thing I
would do. Obviously there is content on the noisy hard drive you wish
to transfer and I am certain this is not a unique situation that
Roland/Boss would have support for.

--



I am in regular contact with the Roland Service Dept. UK. They do not
have a specific solution, though are very helpful. This is, after all,
an obsolete piece of equipment, designed for a 40Gb hard drive, that
worked very well. Shame you can't buy the drives any more.

It would be rather neat, though, to find a working solution!



Gareth.

Well I'm all for cloning using a PC as long as the cloning software
recognizes the structure of the disk partitioning. Most drives these days
have a size limit jumper if your device's AT bios doesn't recognize
drives greater that 137 GB. Good luck.



--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

 

[D Yuniskis]

JW wrote:

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 07:21:10 +0900 "Brenda Ann"
newsgroups@fullspectrumradio.org> wrote in Message id:
D8adnTZu49RHrE7RnZ2dnVY3go2dnZ2d@giganews.com>:


"Gareth Magennis" <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:EbmdnbK3kMxTR0_RnZ2dnUVZ7qmdnZ2d@bt.com...
Hi,

I'm trying to replace a faulty disk drive on a Roland VS2480 (digital
audio multitrack recorder). The likely problem (according to Roland
Service) is that the new IDE drive is too large for the 2480 to format
correctly.

It goes through the format process of making 4 10GB partitions but always
fails at the end of it. If you put the failed drive into a PC you can see
4 FAT 32 10G drive icons, so the machine is seeing and writing to the
drive. If you turn on the "physical format" option, the formatting takes
about 8 hours, and again fails right at the end. I've tried all jumper
combinations re: Master/slave etc.

I have an old 80G Maxtor drive that the 2480 WILL format, though it is old
and very noisy. The drive I have bought is a Western Digital 160Gb PATA
drive. (WD1600AAJB)

You will likely need a slightly smaller drive. The old addressing system was
only good to 127GB, so the largest you can likely use is a 120GB drive.
^^^^^
137GB.

Depends on whether you count "gigabytes" as a marketing droid
or as an engineer :-/

 

[JW]

On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 08:25:26 -0700 D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be@seen.com>
wrote in Message id: <ib177o$2gd$1@speranza.aioe.org>:

JW wrote:
On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 07:21:10 +0900 "Brenda Ann"
newsgroups@fullspectrumradio.org> wrote in Message id:
D8adnTZu49RHrE7RnZ2dnVY3go2dnZ2d@giganews.com>:


"Gareth Magennis" <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:EbmdnbK3kMxTR0_RnZ2dnUVZ7qmdnZ2d@bt.com...
Hi,

I'm trying to replace a faulty disk drive on a Roland VS2480 (digital
audio multitrack recorder). The likely problem (according to Roland
Service) is that the new IDE drive is too large for the 2480 to format
correctly.

It goes through the format process of making 4 10GB partitions but always
fails at the end of it. If you put the failed drive into a PC you can see
4 FAT 32 10G drive icons, so the machine is seeing and writing to the
drive. If you turn on the "physical format" option, the formatting takes
about 8 hours, and again fails right at the end. I've tried all jumper
combinations re: Master/slave etc.

I have an old 80G Maxtor drive that the 2480 WILL format, though it is old
and very noisy. The drive I have bought is a Western Digital 160Gb PATA
drive. (WD1600AAJB)

You will likely need a slightly smaller drive. The old addressing system was
only good to 127GB, so the largest you can likely use is a 120GB drive.
^^^^^
137GB.

Depends on whether you count "gigabytes" as a marketing droid
or as an engineer :-/

AFAIK, disk drive manufacturers have as always defined a GB as
1,000,000,000 bytes.

 

[D Yuniskis]

JW wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 08:25:26 -0700 D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be@seen.com
wrote in Message id: <ib177o$2gd$1@speranza.aioe.org>:

JW wrote:
On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 07:21:10 +0900 "Brenda Ann"
newsgroups@fullspectrumradio.org> wrote in Message id:
D8adnTZu49RHrE7RnZ2dnVY3go2dnZ2d@giganews.com>:

"Gareth Magennis" <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:EbmdnbK3kMxTR0_RnZ2dnUVZ7qmdnZ2d@bt.com...
Hi,

I'm trying to replace a faulty disk drive on a Roland VS2480 (digital
audio multitrack recorder). The likely problem (according to Roland
Service) is that the new IDE drive is too large for the 2480 to format
correctly.

It goes through the format process of making 4 10GB partitions but always
fails at the end of it. If you put the failed drive into a PC you can see
4 FAT 32 10G drive icons, so the machine is seeing and writing to the
drive. If you turn on the "physical format" option, the formatting takes
about 8 hours, and again fails right at the end. I've tried all jumper
combinations re: Master/slave etc.

I have an old 80G Maxtor drive that the 2480 WILL format, though it is old
and very noisy. The drive I have bought is a Western Digital 160Gb PATA
drive. (WD1600AAJB)

You will likely need a slightly smaller drive. The old addressing system was
only good to 127GB, so the largest you can likely use is a 120GB drive.
^^^^^
137GB.
Depends on whether you count "gigabytes" as a marketing droid
or as an engineer :-/

AFAIK, disk drive manufacturers have as always defined a GB as
1,000,000,000 bytes.

Do you think a kilobyte is 1,000 bytes? And a megabyte is 1,000,000
bytes?

As I said, marketing droids consider it to be 10^9; engineers
consider it to be 2^30. (some folks use GB and GiB to clarify
the distinction when speaking owing to the unwashed masses
blindly following marketing hype)

 

[Gareth Magennis]

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:mCJAo.7271$JW.3440@newsfe25.ams2...

snip


I am in regular contact with the Roland Service Dept. UK. They do not
have a specific solution, though are very helpful. This is, after all,
an obsolete piece of equipment, designed for a 40Gb hard drive, that
worked very well. Shame you can't buy the drives any more.

It would be rather neat, though, to find a working solution!



Gareth.

Interestingly, I needed a 40GB HDD just last week to repair a Fostex
multitracker. Like you, I was struggling to find one until a friend of
mine who runs a computer repair shop, pointed me at a local computer
recycler that he knew. He had 40GB drives "coming out of his ears" was his
exact phrase, and was only too happy to let me relieve him of one for
free. My computer repair mate said that he usually had them stacked up as
well, left over from upgrades, and would have been able to help me had he
not just had a big clear-out a few days before !

Any computer repair shops or recycling agencies in your area that you
could try, Gareth ?

Arfa

I know I could have gone down that route, but I have an old drive myself
that works, its just that it sounds like an Airbus with a blown engine.
The new drive I bought is very very quiet - part of the reason I bought it.
Don't forget we are talking a digital recorder where it is very likely the
machine will be in the same room as the subject being recorded, so noise is
definitely an issue.

The 2480 is not mine, I am repairing it for a customer. More importantly,
I am hoping to find a generic solution to a generic problem here.

The cloning idea sounds great - you can use any off the shelf drive of any
size and make it look like the original, a perfect solution in my opinion,
as this is (hopefully) always going to work. I am not always going to have
the time or inclination to hunt round computer shops for weird old shit


I'm getting an old PC out tomorrow and trying this cloning malarky.


Thanks,


Gareth.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 19:00:06 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
<sound.service@btconnect.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

I know I could have gone down that route, but I have an old drive myself
that works, its just that it sounds like an Airbus with a blown engine.
The new drive I bought is very very quiet - part of the reason I bought it.
Don't forget we are talking a digital recorder where it is very likely the
machine will be in the same room as the subject being recorded, so noise is
definitely an issue.

You can make a 1TB drive look like an old 32MB drive. Gigabyte's
Xpress Recovery BIOS has a bug that does just that. :-(

In your case, use HDAT2 to limit the capacity of your drive. It will
then report its reduced size to BIOS and OS, making it
indistinguishable from a smaller drive.

- Franc Zabkar
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[Michael A. Terrell]

D Yuniskis wrote:

JW wrote:
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 08:25:26 -0700 D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be@seen.com
wrote in Message id: <ib177o$2gd$1@speranza.aioe.org>:

JW wrote:
On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 07:21:10 +0900 "Brenda Ann"
newsgroups@fullspectrumradio.org> wrote in Message id:
D8adnTZu49RHrE7RnZ2dnVY3go2dnZ2d@giganews.com>:

"Gareth Magennis" <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:EbmdnbK3kMxTR0_RnZ2dnUVZ7qmdnZ2d@bt.com...
Hi,

I'm trying to replace a faulty disk drive on a Roland VS2480 (digital
audio multitrack recorder). The likely problem (according to Roland
Service) is that the new IDE drive is too large for the 2480 to format
correctly.

It goes through the format process of making 4 10GB partitions but always
fails at the end of it. If you put the failed drive into a PC you can see
4 FAT 32 10G drive icons, so the machine is seeing and writing to the
drive. If you turn on the "physical format" option, the formatting takes
about 8 hours, and again fails right at the end. I've tried all jumper
combinations re: Master/slave etc.

I have an old 80G Maxtor drive that the 2480 WILL format, though it is old
and very noisy. The drive I have bought is a Western Digital 160Gb PATA
drive. (WD1600AAJB)

You will likely need a slightly smaller drive. The old addressing system was
only good to 127GB, so the largest you can likely use is a 120GB drive.
^^^^^
137GB.
Depends on whether you count "gigabytes" as a marketing droid
or as an engineer :-/

AFAIK, disk drive manufacturers have as always defined a GB as
1,000,000,000 bytes.

Do you think a kilobyte is 1,000 bytes? And a megabyte is 1,000,000
bytes?

As I said, marketing droids consider it to be 10^9; engineers
consider it to be 2^30. (some folks use GB and GiB to clarify
the distinction when speaking owing to the unwashed masses
blindly following marketing hype)

10^9 is GigaBullShit.


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[Brenda Ann]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:s7mdnX_M94FWVknRnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

As I said, marketing droids consider it to be 10^9; engineers
consider it to be 2^30. (some folks use GB and GiB to clarify
the distinction when speaking owing to the unwashed masses
blindly following marketing hype)


10^9 is GigaBullShit.

1 KB = 1024 bytes
1 MB = 1024 KB (1048756 bytes)
1 GB = 1024 MB (1073741824 bytes)
1 TB = 1024 GB (1099511627776 bytes)