LA Times Boiling Point...

[Fred Bloggs]

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.

https://www.latimes.com/environment/newsletter/2022-10-27/boiling-point-gas-stoves-indoor-home-air-pollution-boiling-point

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.

and hasn\'t happened.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.
and hasn\'t happened.

Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:55:36 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.

and hasn\'t happened.

Global temperatures are up more than degree Kelvin over the past century or so. It\'s happening right now, and going up progressively faster but not fast enough to register with people who aren\'t paying attention.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 7:03:39 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.
and hasn\'t happened.
Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.

Your BIGGEST nat gas appliance is your own EV.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:22:39 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 7:03:39 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.
and hasn\'t happened.

Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.

Your BIGGEST nat gas appliance is your own EV.

It would be if the utility companies were burning natural gas to make electricity. The recent rise in the price of natural gas has made this even less attractive than it used to be, speeding up the transitions to solar cells and wind turbines, which do happen to be cheaper sources of electric power, and have been a for few years now, but Gnatguy hasn\'t noticed yet.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.
and hasn\'t happened.

Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.

and has been for 50 years. Manhattan is under water, isn\'t it?

Anything any city or state does to reduce CO2 \"pollution\" is political
theatre, an insignificant rounding error of what China and India and
Africa are doing.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:46:49 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.

and hasn\'t happened.

Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.

and has been for 50 years. Manhattan is under water, isn\'t it?

Don\'t be silly. Sea level rise of that magnitude depends on the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets sliding off into the ocean. This isn\'t a tidy, smoothly progressive process, and the fact that there isn\'t much visible sea level rise at the moment isn\'t any kind of guarantee that there isn\'t isn\'t a nasty surprise waiting to happen, as James Hansen pointed out some five years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Antarctic_Ice_Sheet

> Anything any city or state does to reduce CO2 \"pollution\" is political theatre, an insignificant rounding error of what China and India and Africa are doing.

China has invested hugely in making solar cells in ten times the volume that anybody did before, and at about half the price per kilowatt (which is what high volume manufacturing usually does for you). India and Africa are buying them up as fast as they can (which isn\'t all that fast - they aren\'t rich), It gives them cheaper electric power than any other source, and in household sized modules, so you don\'t have to bother building a grid distribution system.

John Larkin seems to think that Indian and African industrial development will have to replicate the European model, with burning coal as an essential stage in the process.

It nuts, but he can\'t seem to realise quite how dumb he\'s being.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:46:49 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.
and hasn\'t happened.

Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.
and has been for 50 years. Manhattan is under water, isn\'t it?

Just the preliminary adaptation plan is $52B, and it\'s in the works now, so someone is taking it seriously:

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/new-york-area-coastal-resiliency-plan

The only part of the city worth saving is the Bronx, and it\'s high up, Wiki lists the elevation at about 280 ft.

The rest of the place should be allowed to return to wetlands.

Anything any city or state does to reduce CO2 \"pollution\" is political
theatre, an insignificant rounding error of what China and India and
Africa are doing.

China is building out all the coal plants in Africa.

Now that even those places are realizing the dangers of instability arising from starvation and an uninhabitable environment, things like getting washed away by flooding and suffocating in extreme heat, they\'re making plans for radical changes to their energy infrastructure.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:22:39 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 7:03:39 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.
and hasn\'t happened.
Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.
Your BIGGEST nat gas appliance is your own EV.

Where did you come up with that crazy statistic?

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 1:53:23 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:22:39 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 7:03:39 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.
and hasn\'t happened.
Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.

Your BIGGEST natural gas appliance is your own EV.

Where did you come up with that crazy statistic?

Gnatguy\'s reading comprehension is aimed at finding the conclusion he wants to come to. He doesn\'t seem to get all that much out of what he reads, but he always to seems to be able to misunderstand it in a way that suits his point of view.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jeroen Belleman]

On 2022-10-28 13:46, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.
and hasn\'t happened.

Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.

and has been for 50 years. Manhattan is under water, isn\'t it?

Anything any city or state does to reduce CO2 \"pollution\" is political
theatre, an insignificant rounding error of what China and India and
Africa are doing.

That\'s not the point. It creates turmoil and upheaval from which fat
cats can profit to get fatter still.

Jeroen Belleman

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 07:35:27 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:46:49 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.
and hasn\'t happened.

Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.
and has been for 50 years. Manhattan is under water, isn\'t it?

Just the preliminary adaptation plan is $52B, and it\'s in the works now, so someone is taking it seriously:

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/new-york-area-coastal-resiliency-plan

The only part of the city worth saving is the Bronx, and it\'s high up, Wiki lists the elevation at about 280 ft.

The rest of the place should be allowed to return to wetlands.



Anything any city or state does to reduce CO2 \"pollution\" is political
theatre, an insignificant rounding error of what China and India and
Africa are doing.

China is building out all the coal plants in Africa.

Now that even those places are realizing the dangers of instability arising from starvation and an uninhabitable environment, things like getting washed away by flooding and suffocating in extreme heat, they\'re making plans for radical changes to their energy infrastructure.

You are terrified of everything.

Sea level has increased linearly since about 1870, at the end of the
LIA.

The danger to coastal cities is mostly from subsidence, from pumping
out groundwater. Of course the other danger is building expensive
structures with sea views, on sand, in hurricane zones.

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 18:42:06 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2022-10-28 13:46, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.
and hasn\'t happened.

Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.

and has been for 50 years. Manhattan is under water, isn\'t it?

Anything any city or state does to reduce CO2 \"pollution\" is political
theatre, an insignificant rounding error of what China and India and
Africa are doing.

That\'s not the point. It creates turmoil and upheaval from which fat
cats can profit to get fatter still.

Jeroen Belleman

Yes. Tremendous political potential there.

Tax fossil fuels. Tax CO2. Tax car miles. Tax everything.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:10:35 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 07:35:27 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:46:49 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.
and hasn\'t happened.

Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.
and has been for 50 years. Manhattan is under water, isn\'t it?

Just the preliminary adaptation plan is $52B, and it\'s in the works now, so someone is taking it seriously:

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/new-york-area-coastal-resiliency-plan

The only part of the city worth saving is the Bronx, and it\'s high up, Wiki lists the elevation at about 280 ft.

The rest of the place should be allowed to return to wetlands.



Anything any city or state does to reduce CO2 \"pollution\" is political
theatre, an insignificant rounding error of what China and India and
Africa are doing.

China is building out all the coal plants in Africa.

Now that even those places are realizing the dangers of instability arising from starvation and an uninhabitable environment, things like getting washed away by flooding and suffocating in extreme heat, they\'re making plans for radical changes to their energy infrastructure.
You are terrified of everything.

Sea level has increased linearly since about 1870, at the end of the
LIA.

The danger to coastal cities is mostly from subsidence, from pumping
out groundwater. Of course the other danger is building expensive
structures with sea views, on sand, in hurricane zones.

NYC sits on solid granite so I doubt pumping out groundwater is an issue.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 18:42:06 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2022-10-28 13:46, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.
and hasn\'t happened.

Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.

and has been for 50 years. Manhattan is under water, isn\'t it?

Anything any city or state does to reduce CO2 \"pollution\" is political
theatre, an insignificant rounding error of what China and India and
Africa are doing.

That\'s not the point. It creates turmoil and upheaval from which fat
cats can profit to get fatter still.

Jeroen Belleman
Yes. Tremendous political potential there.

Tax fossil fuels. Tax CO2. Tax car miles. Tax everything.

Do you think the legislators just enact a tax for the sake of having a tax?

The fossil fuel and CO2 taxes should go to paying the bill for the ever increasing extreme weather damage. Where is the $80B Florida estimates it needs for Ian going to come from? The ether?

Car miles tax is used to maintain roadways, same for the gasoline tax.

I think it\'s better whenever possible for the people who use the government provided infrastructure or cause the damage to pay the tax. Why should someone totally out the loop have to pay for anything...

So until you figure a way to pull money out of the ether, there will always be taxes.

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 16:22:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:10:35 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 07:35:27 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:46:49 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.
and hasn\'t happened.

Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.
and has been for 50 years. Manhattan is under water, isn\'t it?

Just the preliminary adaptation plan is $52B, and it\'s in the works now, so someone is taking it seriously:

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/new-york-area-coastal-resiliency-plan

The only part of the city worth saving is the Bronx, and it\'s high up, Wiki lists the elevation at about 280 ft.

The rest of the place should be allowed to return to wetlands.



Anything any city or state does to reduce CO2 \"pollution\" is political
theatre, an insignificant rounding error of what China and India and
Africa are doing.

China is building out all the coal plants in Africa.

Now that even those places are realizing the dangers of instability arising from starvation and an uninhabitable environment, things like getting washed away by flooding and suffocating in extreme heat, they\'re making plans for radical changes to their energy infrastructure.
You are terrified of everything.

Sea level has increased linearly since about 1870, at the end of the
LIA.

The danger to coastal cities is mostly from subsidence, from pumping
out groundwater. Of course the other danger is building expensive
structures with sea views, on sand, in hurricane zones.

NYC sits on solid granite so I doubt pumping out groundwater is an issue.

Maybe that\'s why it\'s not sinking.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h1ynm2y10a9m9cs/NY_Battery.jpg?raw=1

Better find something else to panic about.

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 16:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 18:42:06 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2022-10-28 13:46, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lots of good climate related news in this newsletter. The public relations campaign against gas appliances is gathering momentum. Hard to believe Southern California Gas is so stupid they store their NG in an abandoned oil reservoir and didn\'t think there might be contamination issues.

\"In May, the Los Angeles City Council voted to ban most gas appliances in new construction to mitigate global warming, joining cities including New York, San Francisco and Seattle.\"

Lots of other news about some really expensive adaptation to climate and energy pressures. This is the price they pay for waiting until the last minute to do something they saw coming 30 years ago.
and hasn\'t happened.

Apparently you didn\'t get the memo. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent it from happening. All indications are that it\'s rapidly unfolding right now.

and has been for 50 years. Manhattan is under water, isn\'t it?

Anything any city or state does to reduce CO2 \"pollution\" is political
theatre, an insignificant rounding error of what China and India and
Africa are doing.

That\'s not the point. It creates turmoil and upheaval from which fat
cats can profit to get fatter still.

Jeroen Belleman
Yes. Tremendous political potential there.

Tax fossil fuels. Tax CO2. Tax car miles. Tax everything.

Do you think the legislators just enact a tax for the sake of having a tax?

They want our money of course, but they especially want power.

The fossil fuel and CO2 taxes should go to paying the bill for the ever increasing extreme weather damage. Where is the $80B Florida estimates it needs for Ian going to come from? The ether?

Hurricanes have been a fact of life down there for millenia.

Car miles tax is used to maintain roadways, same for the gasoline tax.

Some fraction of it is.

It\'s interesting to drive from high-tax California across the border
into low-tax Nevada. The price of gas drops $2 and roads instantly
improve.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 8:10:35 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 07:35:27 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:46:49 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred....@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

Anything any city or state does to reduce CO2 \"pollution\" is political
theatre, an insignificant rounding error of what China and India and
Africa are doing.

China is building out all the coal plants in Africa.

Now that even those places are realizing the dangers of instability arising from starvation and an uninhabitable environment, things like getting washed away by flooding and suffocating in extreme heat, they\'re making plans for radical changes to their energy infrastructure.
You are terrified of everything.

Sea level has increased linearly since about 1870, at the end of the LIA..

The \"little ice age\" was rather earlier than than, and pretty much confined to the area around the Atlantic ocean.

The \"linear\" increase in sea level we\'ve seen has been pretty much the expansion of our sea water as it has got warmer due to the global warming we\'ve seen so far.

The sea level rise we get warned about is the six metres of sea level rise tied up in the Greenland ice sheet and the extra three metres or so in the West Antarctic ice sheet. We get to see it when the ice sheets slide off into the ocean (which is the sort of thing that happened at the end of the last ice age, or a rather larger scale)

> The danger to coastal cities is mostly from subsidence, from pumping out groundwater.

That\'s the only danger that John Larkin is aware of. He isn\'t aware of much, and is blind to the depths of his own ignorance.

> Of course the other danger is building expensive structures with sea views, on sand, in hurricane zones.

I live in a expensive structure with an extensive view of Sydney Harbour. It\'s on the top of a hill, and ten metres of sea level rise wouldn\'t threaten the cars parked in the basement, though it would flood one of the places where we\'ve bought gasoline, not to mention the Opera house (which is part of the view).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 11:00:48 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 16:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 18:42:06 +0200, Jeroen Belleman <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:
On 2022-10-28 13:46, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:55:36 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

The fossil fuel and CO2 taxes should go to paying the bill for the ever increasing extreme weather damage. Where is the $80B Florida estimates it needs for Ian going to come from? The ether?

Hurricanes have been a fact of life down there for millenia.

Global warming doesn\'t seem to make them more frequent, but it does seem to make them more intense when they do happen.

John Larkin\'s grasp of the facts of life seems to be weak and superficial.

Car miles tax is used to maintain roadways, same for the gasoline tax.

Some fraction of it is.

It\'s interesting to drive from high-tax California across the border into low-tax Nevada. The price of gas drops $2 and roads instantly improve.

The population of California is 39.24 million people. The population of Nevada is 3.144 million people.
The population density of California is 253.1 people per square mile.The population density of Nevada is 26.8 people per square mile.


In Nevada they don\'t use up their roads as fast, and they need to use them more.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney