Jim Thompson is a cowardly diletante

[Keith Wootten]

In message <cm6rn6$1tl6$1@news.iquest.net>, John S. Dyson
<toor@iquest.net> writes

<snipped>

With Bush, we have someone who is flawed yet qualified to be
president (in the sense of the willpower and staying power to
fight and defeat the enemies of America.)

Bush is a religious nut. Most politicians pay lip-service to their
national religion out of cowardice but Bush *actually believes it*. The
most powerful man on earth *believes in fairies*. A Christian
Ayatollah.

It's a puzzle. I know that (nearly) all the posters here are
intelligent people, yet many advocate electing a man who believes in
such infantile fantasy. Why? I wouldn't trust him to run a bath.

Mind you, I know little of Kerry; Is he also barking?

Without being biased at all,

<Snort>

Cheers
--
Keith Wootten

 

[Winfield Hill]

Keith Wootten wrote...

John S. Dyson writes

Without being biased at all,

Snort

ROFLOL, LMAO. Whew, a good laugh on election morning, I needed that!


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)

 

[Daniel Haude]

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 07:52:27 -0600,
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
in Msg. <0m3fo0pthbehrgj20oc5tn5eojhnic8me1@4ax.com>

Here we have two men whose morality was shaped by Christianity, with
one doing everything possible to _keep_ from going to war, while the
other one admits to commiting atrocities after being _forced_ to go to
war.

You lost me there... If Kerry is the latter, who is the former?

--Daniel

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:07:04 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

Well, the "religious" "right" is neither. Do they really think
Jesus said "Kill your enemies"?

---
Yes. With kindness.

--
John Fields

 

[Daniel Haude]

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:33:07 -0600,
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
in Msg. <8i6fo0d5up6r19tce574pg4nc11ba3fgvm@4ax.com>

You forget Bush's admirable attempts to evade military service?^)

In fact, yes. I don't care about that sort of thing, given that no son of
any affluent and/or influential family ever goes to war, in no country on
the planet (Kerry being a notable exception).

--Daniel

--
"With me is nothing wrong! And with you?" (from r.a.m.p)

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:01:16 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken
Smith) wrote:

In article <bb1co09fvmlans3arleu7enimr3tiiqanc@4ax.com>,
xray <notreally@hotmail.invalid> wrote:

plonk plonk etc.

Sit on the sidelines and judge

I'm too important to get invovled in the issues

Jim T. has got it completely wrong on politics but I don't think it is
fair to call him a coward. He likes to snipe. So what?

So how have I got it wrong on politics? When it comes to war I'm a
definite hawk... do you want a "Fonda Fairy" for President in such as
these times?

On everything else I'm quite moderate... Libertarian or even more
laissez faire.

As for "xray", who gives a fuck what he thinks? He can't even spell
;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> schreef in bericht
news:fsoco0p4u51hedc3p8fejtelm462uqvb5c@4ax.com...

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:50:29 GMT, xray <notreally@hotmail.invalid
wrote:

[snip]

The village idiot, "xray", can't even spell ;-)

I stopped counting, but how many 'village idiots' do
we have right now? It looks as if the entire village
has gone nuts, one way or another

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:29:38 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken
Smith) wrote:

In article <5uoco05ojeu1dqp3m21vqt49oucse8ljrj@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

[snip]

I also think that Iraq was started too soon. It took the focus off OBL.

Probably, or maybe we should have just nuked the place flat, and then
deeded it to Israel ;-)

As for "xray", who gives a fuck what he thinks? He can't even spell
;-)

It seems than many people care a lot about what he thinks. They respond
with ever increasing flames. I swear that some people actually think that
minds will be changed in all this.

Some people just get riled up for nought. For me, if there's no
redeeming social value, I just plonk 'em and forget 'em.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:37:46 +0000, Keith Wootten
<keith@nononono.co.uk> wrote:

Bush is a religious nut. Most politicians pay lip-service to their
national religion out of cowardice but Bush *actually believes it*. The
most powerful man on earth *believes in fairies*. A Christian
Ayatollah.

It's a puzzle. I know that (nearly) all the posters here are
intelligent people, yet many advocate electing a man who believes in
such infantile fantasy. Why? I wouldn't trust him to run a bath.

Mind you, I know little of Kerry; Is he also barking?

Here we have two men whose morality was shaped by Christianity, with
one doing everything possible to _keep_ from going to war, while the
other one admits to commiting atrocities after being _forced_ to go to
war.

Hmmmm...

--
John Fields

 

[Fred Bloggs]

John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:37:46 +0000, Keith Wootten
keith@nononono.co.uk> wrote:


Bush is a religious nut. Most politicians pay lip-service to their
national religion out of cowardice but Bush *actually believes it*. The
most powerful man on earth *believes in fairies*. A Christian
Ayatollah.

It's a puzzle. I know that (nearly) all the posters here are
intelligent people, yet many advocate electing a man who believes in
such infantile fantasy. Why? I wouldn't trust him to run a bath.

Mind you, I know little of Kerry; Is he also barking?


Here we have two men whose morality was shaped by Christianity, with
one doing everything possible to _keep_ from going to war, while the
other one admits to commiting atrocities after being _forced_ to go to
war.

Hmmmm...

You do remember the old adage that you cannot be a good leader until you
learn to follow? Bush's behavior during the 1968-1972 time frame was one
of abuse. He clearly did not believe in the President's policy of war at
the time, and he abused the system to evade an *obligation* mandated by
the government that he serve. So here we have an individual who refused
to follow his commander-in-chief but now asks others to follow him. Do
you see something wrong with this picture?- anything at all? One of the
distinguishing characteristics of America's military throughout history
is that in each and every war our troops *believed* their cause was just
and right- and it was this *belief* that motivated them to new heights
of resourcefulness and willingness to rise above and beyond the call of
duty and get the job done. When you start doing things to destroy some
of these absolutely *vital* intangibles then the country is in very
serious trouble- and this kind of collapse has played out too many times
in history to be ignored or "dismissed".

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:22:51 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

You do remember the old adage that you cannot be a good leader until you
learn to follow?

---
Poppycock dreamed up by those on the top of the pile as a way to
provide cannon fodder.
---

Bush's behavior during the 1968-1972 time frame was one
of abuse. He clearly did not believe in the President's policy of war at
the time, and he abused the system to evade an *obligation* mandated by
the government that he serve.

---
Using that broad brush, you might as well tar all the men who married
to dodge the draft that way and everyone else who didn't kow-tow to
the government's wish to perpetuate an adventure doomed to failure.
---

So here we have an individual who refused
to follow his commander-in-chief but now asks others to follow him. Do
you see something wrong with this picture?- anything at all?

---
No.
---

One of the
distinguishing characteristics of America's military throughout history
is that in each and every war our troops *believed* their cause was just
and right-

---
Certainly _not_ Viet Nam, as you may recall.
---

and it was this *belief* that motivated them to new heights
of resourcefulness and willingness to rise above and beyond the call of
duty and get the job done.

---
Well, in the end, instilled hatred and the desire to survive has, I
believe, more to do with it than flowery beliefs.
---

When you start doing things to destroy some
of these absolutely *vital* intangibles then the country is in very
serious trouble- and this kind of collapse has played out too many times
in history to be ignored or "dismissed".

---
Agreed.

It's imperative to have a large supply of well indoctrinated,
unquestioning bodies to get out there and do the dirty work.

--
John Fields

 

[Fred Bloggs]

John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:22:51 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:



You do remember the old adage that you cannot be a good leader until you
learn to follow?


---
Poppycock dreamed up by those on the top of the pile as a way to
provide cannon fodder.

Actually it is the *basis* for *all* US military leadership training
from enlisted to commissioned officer.

---


Bush's behavior during the 1968-1972 time frame was one
of abuse. He clearly did not believe in the President's policy of war at
the time, and he abused the system to evade an *obligation* mandated by
the government that he serve.


---
Using that broad brush, you might as well tar all the men who married
to dodge the draft that way and everyone else who didn't kow-tow to
the government's wish to perpetuate an adventure doomed to failure.

That would apply only to those who had aspirations of becoming President.

---


So here we have an individual who refused
to follow his commander-in-chief but now asks others to follow him. Do
you see something wrong with this picture?- anything at all?


---
No.
---


One of the
distinguishing characteristics of America's military throughout history
is that in each and every war our troops *believed* their cause was just
and right-


---
Certainly _not_ Viet Nam, as you may recall.

That was only among the draftees. The elite units still maintained
esprit de corps.

---


and it was this *belief* that motivated them to new heights
of resourcefulness and willingness to rise above and beyond the call of
duty and get the job done.


---
Well, in the end, instilled hatred and the desire to survive has, I
believe, more to do with it than flowery beliefs.

Well- that one didn't work too well for the Germans and Japanese.

---


When you start doing things to destroy some
of these absolutely *vital* intangibles then the country is in very
serious trouble- and this kind of collapse has played out too many times
in history to be ignored or "dismissed".


---
Agreed.

It's imperative to have a large supply of well indoctrinated,
unquestioning bodies to get out there and do the dirty work.

The indoctrination ploy will not work in an educated society. Modern
times require that there be more substance than that.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:37:46 +0000, Keith Wootten wrote:

In message <cm6rn6$1tl6$1@news.iquest.net>, John S. Dyson
toor@iquest.net> writes

snipped

With Bush, we have someone who is flawed yet qualified to be
president (in the sense of the willpower and staying power to
fight and defeat the enemies of America.)

Bush is a religious nut. Most politicians pay lip-service to their
national religion out of cowardice but Bush *actually believes it*. The
most powerful man on earth *believes in fairies*. A Christian
Ayatollah.

It's a puzzle. I know that (nearly) all the posters here are
intelligent people, yet many advocate electing a man who believes in
such infantile fantasy. Why? I wouldn't trust him to run a bath.

Mind you, I know little of Kerry; Is he also barking?


Without being biased at all,

Snort

Well, the "religious" "right" is neither. Do they really think

Jesus said "Kill your enemies"?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Clarence]

"Paul Burridge" <pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> wrote in message
news:04rco0do7unclna88d4s76vgvioc0vfjcm@4ax.com...

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 08:25:09 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:50:29 GMT, xray <notreally@hotmail.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson is a cowardly diletante

There's plenty of evidence that he's neither. Do you know the meaning
of those words?

I certainly wouldn't label Jim as a dilettante; I don't doubt his
ability in electronics, but he *is* a rather irritating old
fartknocker with an attitude problem. ;-}
--

SO, he "is" like everyone else on this NG?

 

[John Fields]

On 2 Nov 2004 14:07:22 GMT, Daniel Haude
<haude@kir.physnet.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 07:52:27 -0600,
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
in Msg. <0m3fo0pthbehrgj20oc5tn5eojhnic8me1@4ax.com

Here we have two men whose morality was shaped by Christianity, with
one doing everything possible to _keep_ from going to war, while the
other one admits to commiting atrocities after being _forced_ to go to
war.

You lost me there... If Kerry is the latter, who is the former?

---
You forget Bush's admirable attempts to evade military service?^)

--
John Fields

 

[Rich Grise]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 05:40:48 +0000, xray wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:11:48 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

Does xray know anything about electronics?

John

Not as much as you, but I didn't come here just for politics.

I only post on technical subjects when I think I have something to
contribute or occasionally if I think you can help with a question I
have. The former is rare in this group where the overall level of
expertise on electronics is high. I mainly come here to stay in touch
with interesting technical problems and new technology.

On a similar theme, are Seim and Clarence technically aware? Maybe I
missed some stuff but I can't remember much from them before FB got them
all riled up.

I have never been the uber-technoid in the companies where I worked, but
have gotten near the top, and, I think made contributions. I guess the
companies thought so too, cause I got rewarded.

I did a few startup attempts in the 80's. One thing I took away from
there was learning that my basic instincts about what was going on
around me were more accurate than my brain. I tried to reason once that
this many intelligent people couldn't be involved in a failed crusade,
but my gut told me there was something really wrong with our program. In
the end my gut was the accurate determinant, not my rationalization.
Not sure about all you other people, but I haven't been wrong on
anything I have felt *strongly* about in my life. (Not counting personal
male/female stuff. But that isn't what we are talking about.)

You sound like you might find something of interest here:
http://www.godchannel.com

It explains why that's true, and why so many people are in brain lock.
And after reading about two words, you'll know why they instantly dismiss
it as rantings of a dangerous lunatic like me. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

This is not to say Kerry will win, but just that I am sure Bush is a
disaster.

I have to say that I am a bit shocked by some of the intelligent people
who I have been listening to, having a problem with processing the facts
available. What is good for our country? Have the Bush people done what
would put that forward on a long term basic level? I don't think I can
find any way to even put a positive spin on the idea.

So, John, yes, I know something about electronics, but not as much as
you. Scanning the electoral term of GWB, almost everything he has done
seems massively ill-advised to me. He is a sock-puppet and his advisors
have driven us into a horrible mess that will take years and years to
undo.

e^qV/kT