Jihad needs scientists

[Martin Brown]

On Mar 14, 11:50 am, jmfbah...@aol.com wrote:

In article <1173870480.508596.143...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Martin Brown" <|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On Mar 13, 10:34 am, jmfbah...@aol.com wrote:

This is the point. It will never be "correct" because the file
contains a checksummed listing of itself.

snip

Do the exercise. Then you will see what I'm talking about.

You really are determined to parade your ignorance. File checksums are
trivial to make internally consistent.

At the simplest conceptual level you could define all files to have
checksum=0 and add some fluff to the end of each one to make it so. In
this case you only need to adjust theTAPE.DIRand since you know the
effect of changing the bytes in the checksum representation on the
checksum it is relatively easy to program a self consistent solution.

then self consistent solutions can be found by SMOP.

It isn't a goal to have the checksum ofTAPE.DIRcorrect. It was
a mandatory goal to have a directory of the tape on the tape. The
tradeoff to accomplish this goal was to have the checksum of
the fileTAPE.DIRnot match the checksum ofTAPE.DIRreported
inTAPE.DIR.

You could so easily have done both if you had just an ounce of
understanding.

Query: Is the ability to think about this concept (Mr. unsettled
called itrecursion) a rare ability?

Hells bells! Clearly you cannot!!! You claim to have been in the
business and yet haven't heard of recursion.

Unhinged is wrong though - the problem is only self referential. There
is at worst a simple tail recursion that can be easily unwound. But
since you cannot cope with this very basic concept here is a concrete
example.

(*) The decimal checksum of this ASCII sentence is exactly 05407

fuBAH, Unhinged and MassivelyWrong might like to check this assertion-
the text of the sentence starts with "(" and ends with "7"

It is the sort of elegant toy puzzle that Martin Gardner would delight
in.

CRC16 would take a lot more effort.

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[nonsense@unsettled.com]

krw wrote:

In article <3j0hv21dmsbm446in4auk2106k1m71rvqk@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:12:12 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:


Don't want no steenkin' Apples, now that they're x86. (Disclosure: I
worked on the later G4 and G5 processors ;-)



That would be "worked with" Not "on", dipshit.


MassivelyWrong once again, Dimbulb. I was a member of the Apple CPU
development team (Nintendo PPC750 processor variants as well) until
Apple switched to x86.


And whoopie fuckin' do, btw.


What's the matter dimmie? Jelous of a real engineering work? That's
alright, someone will need a TV repairman, someday Dimme.

Board swapper, till he gets it right.

I worked with them, and what I did now protects fighter pilots.


What you "did now" is step on your dick, again.

 

[krw]

In article <874pomikjk.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org>,
thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk says...

krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:
In article <3j0hv21dmsbm446in4auk2106k1m71rvqk@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:12:12 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:


Don't want no steenkin' Apples, now that they're x86. (Disclosure: I
worked on the later G4 and G5 processors ;-)



That would be "worked with" Not "on", dipshit.

MassivelyWrong once again, Dimbulb. I was a member of the Apple CPU
development team (Nintendo PPC750 processor variants as well) until
Apple switched to x86.

Hmmm, why were Apple buying G4s from us at Freescale if they
made their own?

Apple made none, idiot.

--
Keith

 

[nonsense@unsettled.com]

krw wrote:

In article <874pomikjk.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org>,
thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk says...

krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:

In article <3j0hv21dmsbm446in4auk2106k1m71rvqk@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:12:12 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:


Don't want no steenkin' Apples, now that they're x86. (Disclosure: I
worked on the later G4 and G5 processors ;-)



That would be "worked with" Not "on", dipshit.

MassivelyWrong once again, Dimbulb. I was a member of the Apple CPU
development team (Nintendo PPC750 processor variants as well) until
Apple switched to x86.

Hmmm, why were Apple buying G4s from us at Freescale if they
made their own?


Apple made none, idiot.

Henry Ford overextended himself creating a rubber
plantation so he could make his own tires more
cheaply. "Do what you're good at."

 

[MassiveProng]

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:04:44 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:

MassivelyWrong once again, Dimbulb. I was a member of the Apple CPU
development team (Nintendo PPC750 processor variants as well) until
Apple switched to x86.

Neither of which is the G4 or G5. Try again, lying asswipe.

Good to know that ther root of your stupidity is the fact that you
are a MacTard too. I knew there was something stupid about your from
the start, and that is a great part of it.

 

[MassiveProng]

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:04:44 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:

What's the matter dimmie? Jelous of a real engineering work? That's
alright, someone will need a TV repairman, someday Dimme.

The flight control tower of a carrier might need me to work on their
ATC system, but "TVs"... nope.

I worked with them, and what I did now protects fighter pilots.

What you "did now" is step on your dick, again.

At least mine is big enough to drag the floor, needle dick.

Bwuahahahahahah!

 

[MassiveProng]

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:42:19 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:

In article <874pomikjk.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org>,
thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk says...
krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:
In article <3j0hv21dmsbm446in4auk2106k1m71rvqk@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:12:12 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:


Don't want no steenkin' Apples, now that they're x86. (Disclosure: I
worked on the later G4 and G5 processors ;-)



That would be "worked with" Not "on", dipshit.

MassivelyWrong once again, Dimbulb. I was a member of the Apple CPU
development team (Nintendo PPC750 processor variants as well) until
Apple switched to x86.

Hmmm, why were Apple buying G4s from us at Freescale if they
made their own?

Apple made none, idiot.

Bwuahahahahah! The wuss jumps on me for calling people names, then
does it himself.

You are worse than a hypocrite. You are a Stupifucktardocrite.

 

[MassiveProng]

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:34:16 -0600, "nonsense@unsettled.com"
<nonsense@unsettled.com> Gave us:

What's the matter dimmie? Jelous of a real engineering work? That's
alright, someone will need a TV repairman, someday Dimme.

Board swapper, till he gets it right.

$15k arbitrary waveform generators don't get repaired in house,

dumbfuck. In fact, ALL the high dollar components I integrate into
our multi-milion dollar systems don't get worked on in house.

Aside from that, however, I am capable of component level diagnostic
and repair. Even on the items I design, much less some piece of shit
crap that a twit like you might come up with.

I notice you didn't participate in the microphone pre-amp challenge,
so you must merely be a mouthy little know nothing punk. Quite
telling... I notice you don't participate in any technical
discussion.

 

[krw]

In article <9bjjv2dbue58n6i3r5ko871876e43e8nar@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:42:19 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:

In article <874pomikjk.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org>,
thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk says...
krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:
In article <3j0hv21dmsbm446in4auk2106k1m71rvqk@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:12:12 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:


Don't want no steenkin' Apples, now that they're x86. (Disclosure: I
worked on the later G4 and G5 processors ;-)



That would be "worked with" Not "on", dipshit.

MassivelyWrong once again, Dimbulb. I was a member of the Apple CPU
development team (Nintendo PPC750 processor variants as well) until
Apple switched to x86.

Hmmm, why were Apple buying G4s from us at Freescale if they
made their own?

Apple made none, idiot.


Bwuahahahahah! The wuss jumps on me for calling people names, then
does it himself.

I never jumped on you for anything other than being a flaming idiot.

You are worse than a hypocrite. You are a Stupifucktardocrite.

Coming from you this is high praise, Dimbulb.

--
Keith

 

[Phil Carmody]

krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:

In article <874pomikjk.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org>,
thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk says...
krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:
In article <3j0hv21dmsbm446in4auk2106k1m71rvqk@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:12:12 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:


Don't want no steenkin' Apples, now that they're x86. (Disclosure: I
worked on the later G4 and G5 processors ;-)



That would be "worked with" Not "on", dipshit.

MassivelyWrong once again, Dimbulb. I was a member of the Apple CPU
development team (Nintendo PPC750 processor variants as well) until
Apple switched to x86.

Hmmm, why were Apple buying G4s from us at Freescale if they
made their own?

Apple made none, idiot.

Why were apply buying G4s from us at Freescale if they designed
their own?

If you have more than 1/4 of a brain you might be able to predict
that I will probably narrow down the work you did "on" the G4 to
be "filled in forms and bought them from Freescale".

Phil
--
"Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank
so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of
/In God We Trust, Inc./.

 

[krw]

In article <vpijv2tpmnucjtvlaikpnda7fbsnu79tsm@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:04:44 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:


MassivelyWrong once again, Dimbulb. I was a member of the Apple CPU
development team (Nintendo PPC750 processor variants as well) until
Apple switched to x86.


Neither of which is the G4 or G5.

G5 is the PPC970 (and 970MP), designed specifically for Apple,
Dimmie. I never said any different. The PPC750 was designed for
Apple (aka the G3) and modified specifically for Nintendo (then back
to Apple).

G4 was a tupo (should have been G3), though we did work on the G4 for
a short time.

Try again, lying asswipe.

No lies, Dimbulb. I leave the lies for you. You need something to
boost your ego.

Good to know that ther root of your stupidity is the fact that you
are a MacTard too. I knew there was something stupid about your from
the start, and that is a great part of it.

Dumb Dimmie, I've never so much as logged into a Mac so you're once
again MassivelyWrong. You couldn't get more wrong if you really,
really, really. tried. ...and you really, really, really are trying.

--
Keith

 

[krw]

In article <ltijv21gs2q1netl15rvfilo6hsc4ltg5f@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:04:44 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:


What's the matter dimmie? Jelous of a real engineering work? That's
alright, someone will need a TV repairman, someday Dimme.

The flight control tower of a carrier might need me to work on their
ATC system, but "TVs"... nope.

The Carrier you've ever seen measures their products but the BTU.

I worked with them, and what I did now protects fighter pilots.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What you "did now" is step on your dick, again.

At least mine is big enough to drag the floor, needle dick.

You didn't even read what you wrote, did you Dimmie? Dumb bastard!

Bwuahahahahahah!

You *should* be laughing at yourself. Everyone else is!

--
Keith

 

[MassiveProng]

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:46:56 -0600, "nonsense@unsettled.com"
<nonsense@unsettled.com> Gave us:

krw wrote:
In article <874pomikjk.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org>,
thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk says...

krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:

In article <3j0hv21dmsbm446in4auk2106k1m71rvqk@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:12:12 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:


Don't want no steenkin' Apples, now that they're x86. (Disclosure: I
worked on the later G4 and G5 processors ;-)



That would be "worked with" Not "on", dipshit.

MassivelyWrong once again, Dimbulb. I was a member of the Apple CPU
development team (Nintendo PPC750 processor variants as well) until
Apple switched to x86.

Hmmm, why were Apple buying G4s from us at Freescale if they
made their own?


Apple made none, idiot.


Henry Ford overextended himself creating a rubber
plantation so he could make his own tires more
cheaply. "Do what you're good at."

Damn! You got one right.

 

[krw]

In article <87ps7agky9.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org>,
thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk says...

krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:
In article <874pomikjk.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org>,
thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk says...
krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:
In article <3j0hv21dmsbm446in4auk2106k1m71rvqk@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:12:12 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:


Don't want no steenkin' Apples, now that they're x86. (Disclosure: I
worked on the later G4 and G5 processors ;-)



That would be "worked with" Not "on", dipshit.

MassivelyWrong once again, Dimbulb. I was a member of the Apple CPU
development team (Nintendo PPC750 processor variants as well) until
Apple switched to x86.

Hmmm, why were Apple buying G4s from us at Freescale if they
made their own?

Apple made none, idiot.

Why were apply buying G4s from us at Freescale if they designed
their own?

Try reading, idiot.

If you have more than 1/4 of a brain you might be able to predict
that I will probably narrow down the work you did "on" the G4 to
be "filled in forms and bought them from Freescale".

No, if you had *THAT* much brain, you would have figured out that I
would have pegged you for an idiot, like Dimmie.


--
Keith

 

[MassiveProng]

On 16 Mar 2007 01:12:46 +0200, Phil Carmody
<thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> Gave us:

krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:
In article <874pomikjk.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org>,
thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk says...
krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:
In article <3j0hv21dmsbm446in4auk2106k1m71rvqk@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:12:12 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:


Don't want no steenkin' Apples, now that they're x86. (Disclosure: I
worked on the later G4 and G5 processors ;-)



That would be "worked with" Not "on", dipshit.

MassivelyWrong once again, Dimbulb. I was a member of the Apple CPU
development team (Nintendo PPC750 processor variants as well) until
Apple switched to x86.

Hmmm, why were Apple buying G4s from us at Freescale if they
made their own?

Apple made none, idiot.

Why were apply buying G4s from us at Freescale if they designed
their own?

If you have more than 1/4 of a brain you might be able to predict
that I will probably narrow down the work you did "on" the G4 to
be "filled in forms and bought them from Freescale".

Phil

His version of "custom" is having carried them across a carpeted
room in hand, in a 10% RH environment, wearing polyester clothing.

 

[nonsense@unsettled.com]

MassiveProng wrote:

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:34:16 -0600, "nonsense@unsettled.com"
nonsense@unsettled.com> Gave us:


What's the matter dimmie? Jelous of a real engineering work? That's
alright, someone will need a TV repairman, someday Dimme.

Board swapper, till he gets it right.


$15k arbitrary waveform generators don't get repaired in house,
dumbfuck. In fact, ALL the high dollar components I integrate into
our multi-milion dollar systems don't get worked on in house.

Aside from that, however, I am capable of component level diagnostic
and repair. Even on the items I design, much less some piece of shit
crap that a twit like you might come up with.

I notice you didn't participate in the microphone pre-amp challenge,
so you must merely be a mouthy little know nothing punk. Quite
telling... I notice you don't participate in any technical
discussion.

I'm not part of your electronics design group (mislabeled "sci".)

You don't understand "technical".

There's an old joke about this.

The judge tells the newly married couple that children born before
this marriage are still technical bastards and asked them, "Do
you know what that means?"

The new husband replies, "Yes Judge, that's a feller just like you,
a technical bastard."

 

[nonsense@unsettled.com]

Phil Carmody wrote:

krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:

In article <874pomikjk.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org>,
thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk says...

krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:

In article <3j0hv21dmsbm446in4auk2106k1m71rvqk@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:12:12 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:


Don't want no steenkin' Apples, now that they're x86. (Disclosure: I
worked on the later G4 and G5 processors ;-)



That would be "worked with" Not "on", dipshit.

MassivelyWrong once again, Dimbulb. I was a member of the Apple CPU
development team (Nintendo PPC750 processor variants as well) until
Apple switched to x86.

Hmmm, why were Apple buying G4s from us at Freescale if they
made their own?

Apple made none, idiot.


Why were apply buying G4s from us at Freescale if they designed
their own?

If you have more than 1/4 of a brain you might be able to predict
that I will probably narrow down the work you did "on" the G4 to
be "filled in forms and bought them from Freescale".

People with real lives don't have time for that sort of nonsense,
but we can easily understand why you do.

 

[nonsense@unsettled.com]

krw wrote:

In article <vpijv2tpmnucjtvlaikpnda7fbsnu79tsm@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:04:44 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:


MassivelyWrong once again, Dimbulb. I was a member of the Apple CPU
development team (Nintendo PPC750 processor variants as well) until
Apple switched to x86.


Neither of which is the G4 or G5.


G5 is the PPC970 (and 970MP), designed specifically for Apple,
Dimmie. I never said any different. The PPC750 was designed for
Apple (aka the G3) and modified specifically for Nintendo (then back
to Apple).

G4 was a tupo (should have been G3), though we did work on the G4 for
a short time.


Try again, lying asswipe.


No lies, Dimbulb. I leave the lies for you. You need something to
boost your ego.

s/something/an awful lot/

Good to know that ther root of your stupidity is the fact that you
are a MacTard too. I knew there was something stupid about your from
the start, and that is a great part of it.


Dumb Dimmie, I've never so much as logged into a Mac so you're once
again MassivelyWrong. You couldn't get more wrong if you really,
really, really. tried. ...and you really, really, really are trying.

 

[nonsense@unsettled.com]

krw wrote:

In article <87ps7agky9.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org>,
thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk says...

krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:

In article <874pomikjk.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org>,
thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk says...

krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:

In article <3j0hv21dmsbm446in4auk2106k1m71rvqk@4ax.com>,
MassiveProng@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:12:12 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:


Don't want no steenkin' Apples, now that they're x86. (Disclosure: I
worked on the later G4 and G5 processors ;-)



That would be "worked with" Not "on", dipshit.

MassivelyWrong once again, Dimbulb. I was a member of the Apple CPU
development team (Nintendo PPC750 processor variants as well) until
Apple switched to x86.

Hmmm, why were Apple buying G4s from us at Freescale if they
made their own?

Apple made none, idiot.

Why were apply buying G4s from us at Freescale if they designed
their own?


Try reading, idiot.

If you have more than 1/4 of a brain you might be able to predict
that I will probably narrow down the work you did "on" the G4 to
be "filled in forms and bought them from Freescale".


No, if you had *THAT* much brain, you would have figured out that I
would have pegged you for an idiot, like Dimmie.

No go, all ego.

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <878xdyikn8.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org>,
Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) writes:
I decided not to chip in and tell her about the IOCCC entry from
a few years back which implemented exactly the scheme you're
talking about - I thought that would prompt even more confusion
from the senile one.

Did they go with the two copies of the checksum or the "please ignore
this".

The please ignore this method. See for yourself ;-) It's omoikane from
http://www.ioccc.org/2004/

I can see problems with porting this code. It uses a 32 bit constant but
doesn't force the size of the variable it is used with. This is not a
good idea in any program. It is doubly bad in one like this where the
result needs to be 100% trustworthy.

--
--
kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge