Jihad needs scientists

[JoeBloe]

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:33:47 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:

Such an eloquent way to talk about our President and his cronies.

Eric Lucas

Does your employer know how fucked up your reading comprehension
skills are, you fucking top posting, retarded Usenet twit?

 

[JoeBloe]

On 10 Oct 2006 00:37:45 GMT, "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@aon.at>
Gave us:

JoeBloe wrote:

On 09 Oct 2006 22:12:15 GMT, "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@aon.at
Gave us:

They don't need any grip, they have overtaken all christianity. :-(

Letters, Weapons (still the same as before, nothing new), Politic
(it is not a democracy, IMO), Language, collected Knowledge (like
our pre-sapiens apes, when they could not grip to something new,
they fiercely attack -e.g Odyssee 2001 'HAL'), etc.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

Dude, you are fucking retarded.


You have nothing new.... that's the fact.

Only mind-blister


You are the 'million years nothing happens' culture.

You are part of the million turds that still stink culture.

 

[JoeBloe]

On 10 Oct 2006 00:52:56 GMT, "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@aon.at>
Gave us:

You have not much allies in Irak.

Since there is no such place, I'd say that you are showing your
stupidity again, dipshit.

 

[joseph2k]

Eeyore wrote:

John Fields wrote:

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

Did the commander of the warship issue a public apology?

---
No, and it wasn't his job to. If there was any apology to be made
it would probably have come from the State Department or the
President. I believe no apology was issued

Why not ?


(although statements of
deep regret were made:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/3/newsid_4678000/4678707.stm

and reparations were made to the victims' survivors ) because none
was necessary. The Vincennes' actions were all "by the book"

No they weren't.


and
all that was needed for the tragedy to have been averted would have
been for the airliner's pilot to change the airplane's course.

No warning was ever sent to an airliner.

Graham

No, some are in error. Warnings were sent, on standard air control
frequencies, which military equipment is certainly capable of, and they
were ignored.

--
JosephKK
Gegen dummheit kampfen die Gotter Selbst, vergebens.  
--Schiller

 

[JoeBloe]

On 10 Oct 2006 00:52:56 GMT, "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@aon.at>
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Who cares about that? Bill Gates might also top post....

But he doesn't, dipshit.

 

Does yours know how obscene, repetitive, unoriginal and predictable you are?

Eric Lucas

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:33:47 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:

Such an eloquent way to talk about our President and his cronies.

Does your employer know how fucked up your reading comprehension
skills are, you fucking top posting, retarded Usenet twit?

 

[JoeBloe]

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:03:16 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> Gave us:

John Fields wrote:

I think a trip to the shrink is something you should seriously consider.

I think a dose of reality is something you should seriously consider.

The next thing the group will see is your retarded ass declaring that
N. Korea is a great place, and they should be allowed to develop
whatever weapons of war they wish.

 

[Eeyore]

JoeBloe wrote:

On 10 Oct 2006 00:52:56 GMT, "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@aon.at
Gave us:

You have not much allies in Irak.

Since there is no such place

His spelling is as good as yours ( it's correct for where he lives ). I
also bet you can't post in any language other than English.

Graham

 

[JoeBloe]

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:09:20 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> Gave us:

JoeBloe wrote:

On 9 Oct 2006 16:36:22 -0700, "werty" <werty@swissinfo.org> Gave us:

The Arabs WILL get nukes .

You're an idiot.

There will NOT be WW III .

That's because any nation (particularly a terrorist state) is gonna
get the shit bombed out of them. Sooner than you think.

How long do you reckon the USA can get away with behaving as the 'world
cowboy' ?

Yer jus' spittin' out words to see where they splatter.

Bet you don't even know the reference.

 

[JoeBloe]

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:16:30 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:

Does yours know how obscene, repetitive, unoriginal and predictable you are?

Eric Lucas

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:33:47 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:

Such an eloquent way to talk about our President and his cronies.

Does your employer know how fucked up your reading comprehension
skills are, you fucking top posting, retarded Usenet twit?

The big difference being that I know where you work, and you do not

know where I work.

Which of us do you feel will be more "affected" by being in Usenet?

The clock is ticking... Shit rolls downhill, and you are not at the
top.

 

[Eeyore]

JoeBloe wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> Gave us:
John Fields wrote:

I think a trip to the shrink is something you should seriously consider.

I think a dose of reality is something you should seriously consider.

The next thing the group will see is your retarded ass declaring that
N. Korea is a great place, and they should be allowed to develop
whatever weapons of war they wish.

There is no possibilty of that *whatever*. In fact N Korea needs to be on the
receiving end of a big dose of reality itself.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

JoeBloe wrote:

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:16:30 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:

Does yours know how obscene, repetitive, unoriginal and predictable you are?

Eric Lucas

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:33:47 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:

Such an eloquent way to talk about our President and his cronies.

Does your employer know how fucked up your reading comprehension
skills are, you fucking top posting, retarded Usenet twit?

The big difference being that I know where you work, and you do not
know where I work.

Which of us do you feel will be more "affected" by being in Usenet?

The clock is ticking... Shit rolls downhill, and you are not at the
top.

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It's seriously tempting to report you for abuse.

I reckon Cox as a decent ISP wouldn't be amused by online threatening behaviour.

Graham

 

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:16:30 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:

Does yours know how obscene, repetitive, unoriginal and predictable you
are?

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fucktard warmongers

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:33:47 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:

Such an eloquent way to talk about our President and his cronies.

Does your employer know how fucked up your reading comprehension
skills are, you fucking top posting, retarded Usenet twit?

The big difference being that I know where you work, and you do not
know where I work.

Nor do I care.

Which of us do you feel will be more "affected" by being in Usenet?

I know I won't--I've been here since 1993, and better men than you have
tried to intimidate me. And I don't really give a rat's hairy hiney if it
affects you or not, you miserable waste of skin.

Eric Lucas

 

[joseph2k]

T Wake wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:05:49 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

In the context of an aircraft launched weapon system. Generally speaking
these are not mounted on passenger aircraft.

---
And, generally, speaking, airliners don't stray miles away from
their flight paths and do respond when contacted by the military.

To not do so _is_ madness.

Ok, I may be arguing from a dodgy position here as I was unaware of
anything saying the Airliner was outside its 20 mile wide flight lane.

I am often loathe to use Wiki as an authority but here is an interesting
comment regarding contact with the military:

"The Vincennes at that time had no equipment suitable for monitoring civil
aviation frequencies"

There is no way of knowing that the Aircraft heard the USS Vincennes
warnings.

When it comes to bombs, ships are at difficult targets to hit.

---
Why assume bombs will be the weapons?

I didn't make that assumption. I was detailing the possible threat
delivery systems which could have been in place. As you can see I also
mentioned that ASMs are very efficient at hitting ships.

Having said that, the aircraft was flying level which is generally a sign
of a bombing run.

The example used was of passenger aircraft being used a the weapon system
themselves. Crashing an airliner into a warship is not an easy matter.

---
It's a no-brainer. Mechanically I can easily do it in MFS if I'm
not geing shot at, But, why assume that's the plan? Issue warnings
and if they're not obeyed...

You assume a compliant vessel the size of an aircraft carrier. An AEGIS
cruiser is relatively small in comparison and also surprisingly agile. One
a suicide run aircraft was in sight it could be out manoeuvred and brought
down with cannon.

As I said, using the WTC strikes as an example was beyond any logical
basis. Sadly, the longer this thread goes the more tenuous some of the
examples are becoming.

Really? I agree from the perspective I am a white anglosaxon male who
lives
in the west. From my point of view it was indeed nothing but an accident.

Did the commander of the warship issue a public apology?

---
No, and it wasn't his job to.

Yes. Americans are too wary of litigation. The commander of the warship
was the person who made the final decision to engage or not engage. Using
"orders" as an excuse has been discredited in the past.

If there was any apology to be made
it would probably have come from the State Department or the
President. I believe no apology was issued (although statements of
deep regret were made:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/3/newsid_4678000/4678707.stm

and reparations were made to the victims' survivors ) because none
was necessary. The Vincennes' actions were all "by the book" and
all that was needed for the tragedy to have been averted would have
been for the airliner's pilot to change the airplane's course.


Do you mean this

"Admiral William J Crowe, Jr, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said
at a Pentagon news conference that the US government deeply regretted the
incident" (from your reference) which is about as lukewarm an apology as
you can get.

It is a shame that it is hard for nations to say sorry - especially as one
of the main criticisms of the Middle-eastern Islamic nations is how
obsessed they are with sabre rattling.

Regardless, It was a tragedy and I regret that it happened.

In reality, it was neither your fault or mine. The issue is how
governments and their people deal with international incidents.

From the point of view of the families of the people who died it was an
act
of violence from a nation which seems to shoot first and ask questions
later.

---
Well, the airline pilot _was_ warned, and sometimes if you don't
shoot first you don't get to ask questions later.

This is why America should never be allowed to be a "world police."

If you shoot first, you still dont get to ask questions.

Well, it prevented the threat of an attack.

---
No, that's not accurate. The threat was already there. Blowing up
the airliner eliminated the threat, it didn't prevent it.

No, the threat was only in the mind of the ships crew.

Following this line of logic it is entirely valid for Middle eastern
nations to engage terrorist attacks against the west. The threat is in
their heads but apparently that is sufficient to allow action.

This is an interesting quote from Wikipedia:

"When questioned by BBC journalists in a 2002 documentary, the U.S.
government stated in a written answer they believed the incident may have
been caused by a simultaneous psychological condition amongst the 18
bridge crew of the Vincennes called 'scenario fulfillment' which is said
to occur when men are under pressure. In such a situation, the men will
carry out a training scenario, believing it to be reality whilst ignoring
sensory information that contradicts the scenario - in the case of this
incident, the scenario was an attack by a lone military aircraft. This
hypothesis, if true, could explain why the records of the Vincennes'
instruments never indicated a craft resembling an F-14 being detected,
whilst a civilian IFF signal was detected."

Civilian IFF detected. Very sad that they thought that was a threat.

The problem is a country which is so hyped up about "rag heads" attacking
that non-threats are percieved as threats, elimintated and people think
its
ok - 'cos there was a threat.

It is (IMHO) madness.

---
Nope, the problem is the "rag-heads" as you call them, and their
penchant for airing their grievances by blowing people up.

How did the west air its grievances against Iraq? Or more topically, how
did the US Vincennes air its grievances against the A300?

Do you think we blow up commercial airliners for the fun of it?

I have no idea. I would hate to pretend to know what people I have never
met
do for fun. I don't seem to recall even hinting this was an option in the
motivation.

---
It was a rhetorical question.

I thought as much. I suspect it was just a distraction.

Imagine the situation was reversed. If an Iranian military unit destroyed
a
US Airliner, what actions do you think the US would take? If your family
were on board what actions would _you_ be demanding your country take?

---
If the situation was exactly reversed and the pilot refused to
change his course, or even to communicate with the Iranian military,
then I think the US should do nothing except accept the regrets of
the Iranian government.

If the pilot was not aware he was being targetted why would he communicate
with the military?

If my family was on that plane, I'd be filing a very big lawsuit
against the airline for the pilot's irresponsibility being the
reason members of my family were killed.

Ok, you have a more rational approach than most people. I would be very
surprised if more than one in ten of the families involved took that line.

The problem is the US are the last superpower so no nation has the
strength
for direct action.

---
If by "direct action", you mean trying to vanquish us militarily,
then you're right.

I did, but I see your point about peaceful negotiation.

But, in my view, "direct action" also means peaceful negotiation,
which we're always ready to extend a hand to achieve.

Well, this is not often the perception of people outside your country.
Unfortunately the reality is not as important as perception. I bear no ill
will towards America at all and feel the country has a lot to offer the
world. I have met hundreds of Americans and very few of them have
conformed to the stereotypes people have. Americans, like Iranians, French
people, Germans etc., are a collection of clever people and idiots, nice
people and nasty people.

The problem is a small percentage of the world is lucky enough to come
into direct contact with other cultures.

Without personal experience people fall into the trap of stereotypes and
perception.

The US has a very, very poor image outside its borders - rightly or
wrongly. To make matters worse, the most outspoken (yet in reality a
minority group) Americans _tend_ to take the line of "hey we are the good
guys, if you dont like it we will trample over you."

As I said, the status of last super power is great but carries some
massive responsibilites.

This leaves the people who feel maltreated with no
outlet, other than supporting terrorism.

---
Nonsense. Terrorism is a direct result of the unwillingness of the
sponsors of terrorism to sit down at a table and talk things out,
but to want to win their wars through intimidation.

Nonsense. I never claimed to provide the sole cause for terrorism. My
example is the source of hatred which is turned to terrorism.

Terrorists come from a massive array of backgrounds, but in every example
I can think of they stem from a time when a group of people have no other
method of getting representation. How they are manipulated further down
the line is an entirely different debate

America is locked in a vicious circle and refuses to step outside of it.

---
Well, if we're _locked_ in one then we _can't_ step out of it, can
we?

True. But America is the last superpower, it should be able to undo the
lock.

Not last, merely current only. Both China and India are in the wings.
Getting free of hate circles is partially dependant on election results
unfortunately.

But what you wrote makes no sense to me. What did you mean?

The circle of hatred which has resulted in America being in Iraq which has
turned a nasty little country which was a threat to its immediate
neighbours and little else into a meat grinder and training ground for
terrorists. Each time America retaliates, more people feel injustice and
support the insurgents/terrorists. Each time the bad guys get more
supporters they attack America. The circle continues.

Now, unlike some I support the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime. I
think that given the chance the Iraqi people will be "better" in a
democracy. The problem is this will never happen now. The infighting will
increase. Extremist factions will gain more public support. Soldiers being
put in more and more danger will continue to shoot first. More and more
Iraqi people will resent the American occupiers.

I hope America is prepared for a long war.

I find that that the USA is it's own worst enemy. "Dubya" really aggravates
the issue.

--
JosephKK
Gegen dummheit kampfen die Gotter Selbst, vergebens.  
--Schiller

 

[JoeBloe]

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:25:10 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> Gave us:

It's seriously tempting to report you for abuse.

I reckon Cox as a decent ISP wouldn't be amused by online threatening behaviour.

I didn't threaten anyone, dumbass. All I mentioned was that his
stupid behavior in Usenet has a greater potential of getting him in a
shitcan than me.

You need to get a clue, fucktard, and stop accusing everyone of
making threats.

You need to learn what the word "threaten" means, because right now
you have no clue whatsoever. Nor do you have any clue as to the
context used in an ISP's TOS agreement...

Which I never even signed, BTW, dumbass.
Bwuahahahahahahah!

 

[JoeBloe]

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:29:48 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:16:30 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:

Does yours know how obscene, repetitive, unoriginal and predictable you
are?

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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fucktard warmongers

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:33:47 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:

Such an eloquent way to talk about our President and his cronies.

Does your employer know how fucked up your reading comprehension
skills are, you fucking top posting, retarded Usenet twit?

The big difference being that I know where you work, and you do not
know where I work.

Nor do I care.


Which of us do you feel will be more "affected" by being in Usenet?

I know I won't--I've been here since 1993, and better men than you have
tried to intimidate me. And I don't really give a rat's hairy hiney if it
affects you or not, you miserable waste of skin.

You are a waste of a good line.

It puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again!

 

[Daniel Mandic]

Eeyore wrote:

John Fields wrote:

I think a trip to the shrink is something you should seriously
consider.

I think a dose of reality is something you should seriously consider.

Graham

Hallo Graham,



He have a dose Beer

Even at beer-drinking he is beginning to stuck... ah, struggle


My Favorites are: Schneider Weiße (Yeast white-beer), Kilkenny,
Budweiser, Staro Brno and Reininghaus (local beer).



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

JoeBloe wrote:

The next thing the group will see is your retarded ass declaring that
N. Korea is a great place, and they should be allowed to develop
whatever weapons of war they wish.

You point too much to military beings (every country have its defense).
If everything would point to you, you'll be the greatest threat.

Keep fine your weapons.



Best regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

JoeBloe wrote:

On 10 Oct 2006 00:52:56 GMT, "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@aon.at
Gave us:


Who cares about that? Bill Gates might also top post....

But he doesn't, dipshit.

He is much longer in Usenet than you.


Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 09 Oct 06 12:32:44 GMT, lparker@emory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

In article <05cii2p4fh1u08166gal2omfh5t8tasdc1@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:37:07 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:


Nice _guesses_, but how is that relevant? How many died in car
accidents? How many from cancer? How is throwing Foley in the can
(which is where he should be) help your 88,000?

I don't think Foley actually commited a crime. Apparently he
text-messaged some former House pages who were over the age of
consent.

16?

Yes, 16 in DC.

John