Jihad needs scientists

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

If the mindset of the religious extremists are not changed and
they become successful in destroying Western civilization.......
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How could they even begin to acheive this ?

Graham
 
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message

If you had your way, everybody would convert to Islam.

No, not even remotely. We would just stop going out of our way to do the
things that we repeatedly do that piss off the rest of the world.

Using computers is a product of Western civilization. Are you
suggesting that all business stops using them? All TV shows
have human images in them. Are you going to stop watching TV
so the rest of the world won't get pissed off? All women have
to stay home. Are you going go get the groceries? No women
may have medical care. Are you going to deliver your own babies?
Are you willing to watch somebody you love die because she is not
allowed to go to the doctor nor the hospital?
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What's that got to do with the above ?

Graahm
 
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

If the mindset of the religious extremists are not changed and
they become successful in destroying Western civilization, the
problems that _are_ killing people today will no longer exist.
I believe you mentioned those killed in automobile accidents.
Those accidents won't happen because there won't be any autos
on the roads.

All the lost medicines and better quality foods will shorten the
average lifespan by a decade or two, so what's your point?
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Better quality foods ? Stuff like modern hydrogenated fats actually
*shortens* lives ! What a ridiculous idea.

Graham
 
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:36:02 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:


Do you think we blow up commercial airliners for the fun of it?

On the balance of evidence I'd have to say yes I'm afraid.
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Just what I'd expect from an Ameriphobe like you.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
Daniel Mandic wrote:

T Wake wrote:

Still, it is amazing how well he managed to get rid of the evidence
come the invasion. If only he had used that skill for the UN
inspectors the war would never have happened.

Yes.

And a slighter tread, in the time of invasion. Attack is Attack, let's
say it is so, but the actions taken contradict any American thinking.

With cannons on sparrows!
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Your metaphors are entertainingly brilliant !

Graham
 
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

In article <eg9dpn$ba4$1@blue.rahul.net>, kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) writes:

It nicely rebuts the claim that the warning of Pakistan was the reason he [OBL]
survived.

That's not the claim (not mine, at least). Just that the warning of
Pakistan is an indication of lack of seriousness about the whole
affair.
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What warning ?

Graham
 
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:38:20 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

T Wake wrote:

The problem is a country which is so hyped up about "rag heads" attacking
that non-threats are percieved as threats, elimintated and people think its
ok - 'cos there was a threat.

Which is why they indulge in 'pre-emptive war' - just in case.

What a bunch of madmen.
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http://www.sabrizain.demon.co.uk/malaya/coward.wav



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John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:44:36 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
krw wrote:
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
Kurt Ullman wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

We won the Battle of Britain with no American help.

No ammunition? No fuel? No food?

Paid for.

No brains!

What American brains ? None were involved.

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???

http://www.taphilo.com/history/WWII/BofBamericanpilots.shtml

7 American pilots ( out of a total of 510 non British flyers ) joined
the RAF in the Battle of Britain according to Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_britain#Foreign_contribution

So what ? What's the big deal about *brains* ???
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So you discredit the British fighter pilots as well?


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
John Fields wrote:

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

In the context of an aircraft launched weapon system. Generally speaking
these are not mounted on passenger aircraft.

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And, generally, speaking, airliners don't stray miles away from
their flight paths
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Do you know how wide an air lane is ? I'm not aware of any 'straying' being involved.


and do respond when contacted by the military.
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Civil airliners aren't fitted with military frequency radios.


To not do so _is_ madness.
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If the call had been made to "Iranian airliner" it would have been , but it wasn't.
The warning went out to "Iranian F-14".

Stop trying to excuse the inexcusable.

Graham
 
John Fields wrote:

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

Did the commander of the warship issue a public apology?

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No, and it wasn't his job to. If there was any apology to be made
it would probably have come from the State Department or the
President. I believe no apology was issued
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Why not ?


(although statements of
deep regret were made:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/3/newsid_4678000/4678707.stm

and reparations were made to the victims' survivors ) because none
was necessary. The Vincennes' actions were all "by the book"
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No they weren't.


and
all that was needed for the tragedy to have been averted would have
been for the airliner's pilot to change the airplane's course.
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No warning was ever sent to an airliner.

Graham
 
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:57:00 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

If you had your way, everybody would convert to Islam. OK.
Assume that.

Let's not assume that at all.

No-one going to convert to Islam here under duress. How daft can you be to even
imagine such a thing ?


Since the factions are already killing each
other, what makes you think that they will stop killing and
murdering and destroying all infrastructure? The goal
is to destroy Western infrastructure. This means bridges,
roads, computers, any science results and their applications,
white collar jobs, blue collar jobs, manufacturing plants,
food processing plants, etc.

No it isn't. You're utterly mad.
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That doesn't mean he's wrong, though.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:57:54 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 06 11:26:29 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Our freedoms are under threat as a result of American stupidity.

Now I understand you. It is not Bin Laden's fault that he
is going to kill a lot of people. It's the Americans' fault
that caused Islamic extremists to want to destroy Western
civilization.

That's actually true. "American" culture, which is actually world
culture, is the thing they fear will seduce their sons and liberate
their daughters. As it must.

You flatter yourself about the impact of American 'culture'.
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No, you delude yourself about strength of its impact.

Do you own a pair of jeans? A cellphone? A PC?


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 19:11:51 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

The only thing that worries me about the 'state of the world' is what
idiocy America's up to next.

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Bullshit.

All you're trying to do is avoid having to account for yourself in a
way which won't cast you in a bad light.

How much do you weigh?

How much do you make?

How much do you laugh?

Who would you like to see dead?

Are you willing to answer even just _one_ of the questions?

Why the heck should I ? What's it got to do with anything ? What gives you the
idea you even have any right to ask such intrusive questions ?
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I have the right to ask anything I want to, just as you have the
right to be devious.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
news:gliii2ll2sc4tst6g5n2hf1h5dcjk6tkue@4ax.com...
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:57:00 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

If you had your way, everybody would convert to Islam. OK.
Assume that.

Let's not assume that at all.

No-one going to convert to Islam here under duress. How daft can you be to
even
imagine such a thing ?


Since the factions are already killing each
other, what makes you think that they will stop killing and
murdering and destroying all infrastructure? The goal
is to destroy Western infrastructure. This means bridges,
roads, computers, any science results and their applications,
white collar jobs, blue collar jobs, manufacturing plants,
food processing plants, etc.

No it isn't. You're utterly mad.

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That doesn't mean he's wrong, though.
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When he started about bridges, roads, etc, I thought he was
summing up the achievements of the US in Iraq.

Isn't it about time you screw your head on again? It's been
amusing to hear you talk nonsense for a while, but it starts
to get a bit boring now.

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Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)
 
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 19:26:06 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

America really should have known better. The invasion pretty much served no
purpose that waiting (say) five years wouldn't have missed out on.

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Back then I think we were concerned with how much more money Saddam
Hussein could siphon from the humanitarian aid bucket and divert to
terrorist causes or squirrel away for his own use. Also, I think we
were more than a little angry about the impotence of the UN in being
able to conduct inspections on anything but Saddam Hussein's terms.
ISTR reading where the inspectors were often turned away from
inspection sites and told when they could come back to conduct the
inspection.

So to make up for it you bombed Iraq almost back to the stone age.
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cite?


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John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 19:30:34 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

jenalyn wrote:

"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote
"Gordon" <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote

So you are saying they are NOT better Xtians than everyone else?

No, I'm saying that this war on terrorism started long before
President Bush and the present Republican administration was
involved in any way.

But it isn't a war. It is a problem for a police force that requires
international cooperation, something the US is notoriously unable or
unwilling to be involved in.

The international community does not want our cooperation. They want the
United States to act as their dumb guard dog, do their bidding.

I'd rather the USA just went back home actually.
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Why? What are you afraid of?
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Many
leaders are generally unhappy with the fact that we finally stepped up to
take charge. France is unhappy they are no longer a world power. Muslims
are unhappy they are no longer a world power.

No Islamic state was ever a world power.
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???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire


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John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:57:54 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 06 11:26:29 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Our freedoms are under threat as a result of American stupidity.

Now I understand you. It is not Bin Laden's fault that he
is going to kill a lot of people. It's the Americans' fault
that caused Islamic extremists to want to destroy Western
civilization.

That's actually true. "American" culture, which is actually world
culture, is the thing they fear will seduce their sons and liberate
their daughters. As it must.

You flatter yourself about the impact of American 'culture'.
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Did I flatter myself? I hadn't noticed.

As I said - perhaps you missed it - that American culture is in fact
world culture. Most anything that's fun to read, listen to, or eat
gets enthusiastically absorbed and amplified here, from Nepalese food
to AfroPop to Irish folk music. We are more an intersection of
cultures than a driver, although we do make our occasional donations
to the pool. This world culture is what many regionalists fear will
destroy their own culture - as it will - and many call it "American",
which it really isn't.

When I was in Japan, I was appalled at how much they were trying to be
Western at the expense of their own very beautiful culture. They think
that bad English signage is cool, and that bad French fashion is
elegant. Imagine a men's toilet in a fancy hotel, with the walls
entirely done in YSL-monogrammed ceramic tiles.

John
 
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 19:44:34 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message

If you had your way, everybody would convert to Islam.

No, not even remotely. We would just stop going out of our way to do the
things that we repeatedly do that piss off the rest of the world.

Using computers is a product of Western civilization. Are you
suggesting that all business stops using them? All TV shows
have human images in them. Are you going to stop watching TV
so the rest of the world won't get pissed off? All women have
to stay home. Are you going go get the groceries? No women
may have medical care. Are you going to deliver your own babies?
Are you willing to watch somebody you love die because she is not
allowed to go to the doctor nor the hospital?

What's that got to do with the above ?
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Can't you figure it out?


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
 
Eeyore wrote:

Better quality foods ? Stuff like modern hydrogenated fats actually
*shortens* lives ! What a ridiculous idea.

Graham
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Yes. Ppl become also old in the old time, or medieval. 80 and more.
Of course, mainly by the richer one.

Some distressing worldwide is welcomely awaited by me.



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic
 
John Fields wrote:

That doesn't mean he's wrong, though.
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;) He's not wrong and you are Right. Is this the tactic?

Or other... tell me your definition to the opposite of 'wrong'!
I bet my five pence it is 'right'.



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic
 
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