Jihad needs scientists

John Larkin · Oct 6, 2006

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:47:03 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

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T Wake wrote:

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <HPWdnXZeKd_lvLnYRVnyig@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

If you spent your day waving placards outside the Whitehouse saying
how
great the UK was and how all Americans should live like that the
analogy
would make more sense.

I'd still argue it. Lots of reason to stay home, not the least of
which
is trying to reform your home country. That and all those extra "u"s
they throw into words for no apparent in the UK (G).

Nothing wrong with the letter u. I've never understood why Americans
seem
to
avoid it. (Don't get me started on the pronunciation of route... )

You British twits added the extraneous "U"s in a pathetic attempt to
make yourselves look witty. It didn't work.

Other way round really.

Really? Look at some historical texts and get back to me.

Not sure about spelling, but I've read some very well-researched serious
scholarly linguistic articles that say that the British English accent at
the time of the American colonies was very much closer to the current New
England accent than to the current variety of British accents. It seems
speech in the "colonies" was and is much more conservative than speech in
the mother land. I don't remember what their evidence was, there are
obviously no audio tapes to compare. However, I do remember them being
pretty certain of their evidence--it was really much more than just
speculation. It may have had to do with several isolated societies in North
Carolina Appalachians that have almost exactly the same accent as New
England. This is part of the reason I get so amused when Brits look down
their noses at US pronunciation and lexicon, and act like they're the only
ones entitled to call themselves "speakers of English". (No, let's not
start *that* pissing match again.)

Some linguists even interpret the shifts in England as related to blueblood
Londoners putting on airs, and that accent subsequently catching on in other
parts of the country. I suspect this last part is a bit of a stretch, but
the whole thing is an interesting thesis. I find it fascinating to think
about how people spoke in the past, and how language has evolved. Puts a
whole new perspective in the various new inner-city lexicons and
pronunciations that have developed, even in my lifetime.

Eric Lucas

I can't really make out much of Chaucer. Shakespeare is a bit
difficult but intelligable. Sir Walter Scott and Dickens and Jane
Austen look perfectly modern to me. So the half-life of English is
roughly 400 years.

I have a friend from El Salvador who says that Cervantes reads just
like modern Spanish, which has apparently evolved a lot slower than
English.

John

T Wake · Oct 6, 2006

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T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

Inbreeding is a terrible thing.

Then stop doing it and let your family tree grow some real
branches.

Sorry, I didn't realise you held the monopoly on it. Hey, I am sure it
makes
it easier for you to remember father / mothers day though. And you
only
need
a small house for a family get together. No wonder you want to keep it
all
to yourself.

Nice try. Must be some of that lowbrow british humor.

No, I was being serious for once. I just thought that your, erm, talents
were due to the gene puddle you stem from being a bit muddied.

See how wrong you are when you try to think?

Nope. I still appear to have been spot on here. I can see how that fear
prevents you thinking though.

Try it one day. Honestly, the voices in your head wont mind.

Michael A. Terrell · Oct 6, 2006

T Wake wrote:

Here we reach the crux of the problem. I am an able bodied veteran yet you
implied I was a terrorist if I didn't want people to intercept my
communications.

No, i asked if you have nothing to hide, why are you worried? I
guess the Brits are more fucked up than I gave them credit for.

It seems you dont want people you dont approve of having _your_ personal
detail either.

I don't have a bank account, I have a Credit Union account, which you
didn't ask about. The movement already has that information, and you as
a foreigner have no right to ask.

Which brings me right back in a circle. You really do have a short attention
span dont you.

Wouldn't you like to know.

I said it was wrong for _your_ country to intercept my communication. You
said "Unless you are a terrorist, what are you worried about?"

It is heart warming to know that double standards remain firmly in place.

Repeating yourself?

Movements? Well, I haven't had one yet today, but thanks for asking.
I'll send it to you for your investigation if you need it.

You haven't had one but it is aware of your Credit Union account? Strange.

If you want to know who I talk to, hire a P.I. I don't feel like
asking everyone I have to talk to their names, because it isn't my
business to ask. Even if I did, they have no reason to tell me. You're
the security expert so it should be really easy for you to investigate
me.

BTW, don't bother with an IP lookup, it shows the wrong city.

You must be a terrorist then. You are refusing to reveal your activities and
your IP points somewhere else.

Like I have control over someone else's data base. They keep changing
the city, but they still haven't got it right.

What are you trying to hide here?

I have nothing to hide. Why are you pulling a Joe McCarthy?

My role in security is not to spy on people it is to prevent it happening
where appropriate and prevent break ins (mainly).

Then you ask too many questions for your own good. My last job was
building communications equipment for government agencies, and I was
check out more than once.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

T Wake · Oct 6, 2006

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T Wake wrote:

I don't have to. Your country can intercept other nations to
gather
foreign
intelligence.

Unless you are a terrorist, what are you worried about?

Interesting argument.

And completely false.

Sadly yes. It is the worst fear-mongering argument ever. (Worst as in
"most
wrong" )

It's tantamount to "If you aren't a criminal, then why are you
worried
about me searching your basement." The authors of the Constitution
knew
that, at some point, some demagog would use this argument to violate
somebody's rights, so they put it in the constitution that, whether
you're
a criminal/terrorist or not, you don't have to worry about somebody
invading your house to have a look around, just because they don't
like
you.

I work in corporate security and often work for governmental
organisations, will you please surrender to me all your bank
records
so I
can check what transactions take place. I also want you to record
your
movements and actions at all times.

I am sure, that as you are not a terrorist, you will have no qualms
against this.

I await the data.

Well put. I wouldn't hold your breath.

I wont.... It must mean he is a terrorist though.

Typing with one hand again? Pervert!

Brilliant. You like my witty remarks so much you use them back at me.

Please, try not to leave a mess on the keyboard when you reply to my
posts.
It is never a nice thing.

Keep going with the paranoia posts though. They make me laugh.

You're cheating on your mirror? shame on you.

Oh Wow. You are so funny. Seriously, what channel do you appear on? You must
have a show of some sort with humour like that.

Either that, or you are just a sad old tit with too much time on his hands
an nothing constructive to add.

I suppose it is one or the other.

Eeyore · Oct 6, 2006

Kurt Ullman wrote:

In article <n3mci2p9ah579tq4d38b7emv85ksafipu1@4ax.com>,
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

What do you think about the Vincennes shooting down an Iranian Airbus then ?

From:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/3/newsid_4678000/4678707
.stm

"The USS Vincennes had tracked the plane electronically and warned
it to keep away. When it did not the ship fired two surface-to-air
missiles, at least one of which hit the airliner."

I think the airplane's pilot should have had the good sense to heed
the Vincennes' warning.

It is sorta the height of moral equivalancy to suggest that an
accident that we attempted to avoid by warning the plane is anywhere
near the same as anything else being discussed.

In any case the warning went out on a military frequency to the pilot of "Iranian
F-14".

Graham

Eeyore · Oct 6, 2006

Kurt Ullman wrote:

kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <eg3143$okg$2@blue.rahul.net>,
kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:

On (2) we have external evidence that he did try to get OBL. It was all
over the news and the Neocons yelled "wag the dog" about it.

If he did not consistently get interested in OBL about the time
Monica was to testify, etc., he might not have heard that as much.

Do you have any proof of either part of that?

Google the attacks and monica's testimony. Look at the dates. Stare
in wild wonder.

Could you elaborate on what you mean there ?

Graham

Michael A. Terrell · Oct 6, 2006

John Larkin wrote:

Well, they do bring up some subjects that are interesting, and give me
opportunities to practice my writing styles. And, actually, conversing
with fat, unhappy European neurotics makes me appreciate my life and
my country even more!

John

Amen! Good food and a good day at the range shooting Eurotrolls.
What could be better? The reason they taste like chicken? They ARE
Chickens! ;-)

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Michael A. Terrell · Oct 6, 2006

T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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well, you know, its always open season
on trolls. No limit! ;-)

Yes we know. That is why you get replies.

True, you trolls know no shame. ;-)

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

YD · Oct 6, 2006

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:37:56 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

YD wrote:

Clue to what, exactly? This far all you have done is rant about
exterminating everything outside US borders.

You really do have reading comprehension problems don't you?

So you confirm your wish to exterminate everything outside US borders
then?

- YD.

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T Wake · Oct 6, 2006

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

Here we reach the crux of the problem. I am an able bodied veteran yet
you
implied I was a terrorist if I didn't want people to intercept my
communications.

No, i asked if you have nothing to hide, why are you worried? I
guess the Brits are more fucked up than I gave them credit for.

Your exact quote (which is now snipped from above but remains below) was:

"Unless you are a terrorist, what are you worried about?"

I am sure I can see the word terrorist there. I have nothing to hide.
Because I have nothing to hide I object to people checking out things unless
I choose to let them.

You really do have issues with choice dont you.

It seems you dont want people you dont approve of having _your_ personal
detail either.

I don't have a bank account, I have a Credit Union account, which you
didn't ask about. The movement already has that information, and you
as
a foreigner have no right to ask.

Which brings me right back in a circle. You really do have a short
attention
span dont you.

Wouldn't you like to know.

Brilliance. IKWYBWAI.

I said it was wrong for _your_ country to intercept my communication. You
said "Unless you are a terrorist, what are you worried about?"

It is heart warming to know that double standards remain firmly in place.

Repeating yourself?

Maybe. It seems I have to as your short attention span sends this
conversation in circles. I dont mind doing it though - there is always the
off chance that something will get through to you.

I am impressed by how obvious you make it when you dont have a sensible
answer. Talking (in the USENET) to you is similar to talking to a seven year
old - except I know they will grow up.

Movements? Well, I haven't had one yet today, but thanks for asking.
I'll send it to you for your investigation if you need it.

You haven't had one but it is aware of your Credit Union account?
Strange.

If you want to know who I talk to, hire a P.I. I don't feel like
asking everyone I have to talk to their names, because it isn't my
business to ask. Even if I did, they have no reason to tell me.
You're
the security expert so it should be really easy for you to investigate
me.

BTW, don't bother with an IP lookup, it shows the wrong city.

You must be a terrorist then. You are refusing to reveal your activities
and
your IP points somewhere else.

Like I have control over someone else's data base. They keep changing
the city, but they still haven't got it right.

I dont care. The issue this was about is the rights of people and the right
to be presumed innocent. Because _you_ claim the IP address resolves
differently through no fault of your own is fine in the good world. The bad
one this debate is about gives you no latitude.

There is doubt so you should be detained until every single detail of your
life can be examined by people who have no reason to be subjected to public
oversight.

What are you trying to hide here?

I have nothing to hide. Why are you pulling a Joe McCarthy?

Aha. The worm turns.

My role in security is not to spy on people it is to prevent it happening
where appropriate and prevent break ins (mainly).

Then you ask too many questions for your own good.

The first defence of a terrorist thug.

My last job was
building communications equipment for government agencies, and I was
check out more than once.

Not by me. I have also submitted to government vetting in the past. I have
even been vetted by the US government at one point. I chose to apply for the
job and volunteered the information. I realise you cant see the significance
of that, which is a shame.

Don't you have some circuit boards to play with?

Michael A. Terrell · Oct 6, 2006

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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There are lots of people in the UK who can't point to the Falkland Islands
on a map. There are even more who can't point to Uzbekistan or the
Democratic Republic of Congo.

I think that is sad.

I can only assume it is the same in the US. (And the same in Germany,
France, Uzbekistan, DROC etc.....)

Worse. In the US, 49% of the people who cannot find New York State on a
map. *49%*. *New Freakin' York*, fer Chrissakes. Jeezus. It goes beyond
sad.

Those Leno skits are funny, and are obviously not a candid representation of
the people he meets. But the reason they are so funny is that they
represent a fact about the general geographic illiteracy of Americans, that
would be funny if it weren't so sad. The statistics are out there. Read
them and weep.

http://www.edven.com/news_us_geo_illiteracy_stats.html

This is a commercial site, but these statistics are real--they were widely
reported when the study came out a few years ago.

How can people continue to yammer on about how much they think they know
about Muslims, and what their culture is like, and what their goals and
aspirations are...WHEN THEY DON"T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE?????

Eric Lucas

Did you ever think that they don't WANT to know where New York is?

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

YD · Oct 6, 2006

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:39:55 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

YD wrote:

No, just poking fun at another Amerika uber Alles dickhead.

I guess that it takes one dickhead to know another. Do you guys have
a secret handshake and pay dues like other clubs?

Do you?

- YD.

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T Wake · Oct 6, 2006

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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John Larkin wrote:

Well, they do bring up some subjects that are interesting, and give me
opportunities to practice my writing styles. And, actually, conversing
with fat, unhappy European neurotics makes me appreciate my life and
my country even more!

John

Amen! Good food and a good day at the range shooting Eurotrolls.
What could be better? The reason they taste like chicken? They ARE
Chickens! ;-)

It is easy to talk big on USENET. In reality all you are doing is making it
look like you cant maintain a coherent point of view for more than about 40
seconds.

I am sure you think this makes you look good. I suspect some of the others
here think it does as well. The reality however is very different.

T Wake · Oct 6, 2006

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:45267813.5DB5BB6D@earthlink.net...
well, you know, its always open season
on trolls. No limit! ;-)

Yes we know. That is why you get replies.

True, you trolls know no shame. ;-)

Classic. You are such a genius. Trolling by calling others trolls. Who would
have thought it. You should write a book about it.

T Wake · Oct 6, 2006

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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There are lots of people in the UK who can't point to the Falkland
Islands
on a map. There are even more who can't point to Uzbekistan or the
Democratic Republic of Congo.

I think that is sad.

I can only assume it is the same in the US. (And the same in Germany,
France, Uzbekistan, DROC etc.....)

Worse. In the US, 49% of the people who cannot find New York State on a
map. *49%*. *New Freakin' York*, fer Chrissakes. Jeezus. It goes
beyond
sad.

Those Leno skits are funny, and are obviously not a candid representation
of
the people he meets. But the reason they are so funny is that they
represent a fact about the general geographic illiteracy of Americans,
that
would be funny if it weren't so sad. The statistics are out there. Read
them and weep.

http://www.edven.com/news_us_geo_illiteracy_stats.html

This is a commercial site, but these statistics are real--they were
widely
reported when the study came out a few years ago.

How can people continue to yammer on about how much they think they know
about Muslims, and what their culture is like, and what their goals and
aspirations are...WHEN THEY DON"T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE?????

Eric Lucas

Did you ever think that they don't WANT to know where New York is?

Did you ever think?

Actually, it's ok. I know the answer to that one.

Eeyore · Oct 6, 2006

John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:01:33 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

The answer is for Israel and the Palestinians to come to a peaceful accord. Nothing
else will ever work. End of story.

---
Well, I see you're finally coming around.

I have never held any other view on the subject.

Graham

Jim Thompson · Oct 6, 2006

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:17:20 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

No one east of Missouri knows how to drive ;-)

You would have trouble driving some of the roads I was on in Alaska.
If you drove like you do in the desert, you would have killed yourself
in a couple days, tops.

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Eeyore · Oct 6, 2006

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote

Google the attacks and monica's testimony. Look at the dates. Stare
in wild wonder.

OK, so now the Republicans and their supporters claim that

1) Clinton didn't do enough to get bin Laden, because he was busy getting
blowjobs, and
2) Clinton did too much to get bin Laden, just to cover up having gotten
blowjobs.

How's that for consistency in their worldview?

It's certainly comprehensive !

Graham

Jim Thompson · Oct 6, 2006

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:18:41 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:47:07 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

The demented donkey doesn't realize that the increase in VD is mostly
in senior citizens living in age segregated communities like "The
Villages".

The rate in young ppl is on the rise too. The USA has one of the very worst records on this issue.

Graham

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=408249&in_page_id=1770

John

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Jim Thompson · Oct 6, 2006

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:30:39 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:51:32 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:43:42 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 11:33:17 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

The only thing that worries me about the 'state of the world' is what
idiocy America's up to next.

You are blaming externals for an internal state, a convenient and
paralyzing cop-out. For anyone reasonably healthy and living in a
free, developed country not to be happy is stunning stupidity. Sad,
too.

Our freedoms are under threat as a result of American stupidity.

Since it makes you happy to be unhappy, keep blaming the US for what
you do to yourself. Enjoy!

I'm full or rasberry cream cheese brioche, vanilla cream puff pastry,
and Peet's coffee, and have some interesting architectures to
brainstorm with the boys when I (eventually) get to work, so you can
see why I'm just brimming with benevolence this morning.

John

John, Please keep feeding your face, but PLEASE stop feeding the troll
;-)

...Jim Thompson

Well, they do bring up some subjects that are interesting, and give me
opportunities to practice my writing styles. And, actually, conversing
with fat, unhappy European neurotics makes me appreciate my life and
my country even more!

JOhn

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