Jihad needs scientists

[Eeyore]

Lloyd Parker wrote:

In article
kurtullman-C56BCA.11171106102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <n3mci2p9ah579tq4d38b7emv85ksafipu1@4ax.com>,
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

What do you think about the Vincennes shooting down an Iranian Airbus then
?

From:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/3/newsid_4678000/4678707
.stm

"The USS Vincennes had tracked the plane electronically and warned
it to keep away. When it did not the ship fired two surface-to-air
missiles, at least one of which hit the airliner."

I think the airplane's pilot should have had the good sense to heed
the Vincennes' warning.

It is sorta the height of moral equivalancy to suggest that an
accident that we attempted to avoid by warning the plane is anywhere
near the same as anything else being discussed.

Further, there is no indication the pilot (1) was monitoring the frequency
used or (2) knew they were referring to his aircraft, as it was in a standard
commercial travel lane.

The Iran Air flight would be monitoring the allotted ATC frequency and have no
reason to use any other.

In any case the warning was addressed to "Iranian F-14" !

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:22:44 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Kurt Ullman wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

As long as the Palestinians and others keep attacking Israel.
Israel was giving back land and moving out some areas and making moves
until Hizbolah began firing off rockets, etc. Same old same old.

Honestly, they're as bad as each other.

---
How can you say that in the same sentence with "honestly"?

Israel was working for peace by making unilateral concessions and
they were attacked preemptively for no apparent good reason.

What attack was this ?

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

Inbreeding is a terrible thing.


Then stop doing it and let your family tree grow some real branches.


Sorry, I didn't realise you held the monopoly on it. Hey, I am sure it
makes
it easier for you to remember father / mothers day though. And you only
need
a small house for a family get together. No wonder you want to keep it
all
to yourself.


Nice try. Must be some of that lowbrow british humor.

No, I was being serious for once. I just thought that your, erm, talents
were due to the gene puddle you stem from being a bit muddied.

 

[T Wake]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

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T Wake wrote:

I don't have to. Your country can intercept other nations to gather
foreign
intelligence.


Unless you are a terrorist, what are you worried about?


Interesting argument.

And completely false.

Sadly yes. It is the worst fear-mongering argument ever. (Worst as in
"most
wrong" )

It's tantamount to "If you aren't a criminal, then why are you worried
about me searching your basement." The authors of the Constitution
knew
that, at some point, some demagog would use this argument to violate
somebody's rights, so they put it in the constitution that, whether
you're
a criminal/terrorist or not, you don't have to worry about somebody
invading your house to have a look around, just because they don't like
you.


I work in corporate security and often work for governmental
organisations, will you please surrender to me all your bank records
so I
can check what transactions take place. I also want you to record your
movements and actions at all times.

I am sure, that as you are not a terrorist, you will have no qualms
against this.

I await the data.

Well put. I wouldn't hold your breath.


I wont.... It must mean he is a terrorist though.


Typing with one hand again? Pervert!

Brilliant. You like my witty remarks so much you use them back at me.

Please, try not to leave a mess on the keyboard when you reply to my posts.
It is never a nice thing.

Keep going with the paranoia posts though. They make me laugh.

 

[T Wake]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

I don't have to. Your country can intercept other nations to gather
foreign
intelligence.


Unless you are a terrorist, what are you worried about?


Interesting argument.

I work in corporate security and often work for governmental
organisations,
will you please surrender to me all your bank records so I can check
what
transactions take place. I also want you to record your movements and
actions at all times.

I am sure, that as you are not a terrorist, you will have no qualms
against
this.

I await the data.


It wouldn't do you any good. I am on a small VA pension that barely
pays the bills. Anyway, I don't have a bank account.


I think you are lying until you can prove otherwise. That
notwithstanding,
you've assumed I want your money - I don't, I want to reassure myself you
are not a terrorist.

You also need to let me know all your movements and everyone you speak
to.


I am a disabled veteran, on a VA pension. think for yourself.

Here we reach the crux of the problem. I am an able bodied veteran yet you
implied I was a terrorist if I didn't want people to intercept my
communications.

It seems you dont want people you dont approve of having _your_ personal
detail either.

I don't have a bank account, I have a Credit Union account, which you
didn't ask about. The movement already has that information, and you as
a foreigner have no right to ask.

Which brings me right back in a circle. You really do have a short attention
span dont you.

I said it was wrong for _your_ country to intercept my communication. You
said "Unless you are a terrorist, what are you worried about?"

It is heart warming to know that double standards remain firmly in place.

Movements? Well, I haven't had one yet today, but thanks for asking.
I'll send it to you for your investigation if you need it.

You haven't had one but it is aware of your Credit Union account? Strange.

If you want to know who I talk to, hire a P.I. I don't feel like
asking everyone I have to talk to their names, because it isn't my
business to ask. Even if I did, they have no reason to tell me. You're
the security expert so it should be really easy for you to investigate
me.

BTW, don't bother with an IP lookup, it shows the wrong city.

You must be a terrorist then. You are refusing to reveal your activities and
your IP points somewhere else.

What are you trying to hide here?

My role in security is not to spy on people it is to prevent it happening
where appropriate and prevent break ins (mainly).

 

[T Wake]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Listening to their greivances isn't 'ceding' btw.

Arafat used this tactic. He kept people at the table talking
about peace to give his side time to accumulate weapons. He
even got all these rich countries to fund his efforts.

You're suggesting that because one person did this then we must never
again listen ? That's a very blinkered view indeed.

It is a tactic that worked. Don't you think others will try
the same thing if it succeeds in fooling all of the Democrats
all of the time?

So you're not going to listen to anyone you disagree with ?

There are lots of people who take that approach.

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:45:03 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:10:34 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
lparker@emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:

A lot of this anti-US fervor started with Democrat Presidential
candidates trying out their sound bytes in 2002-2004 in Europe.

/BAH
OH BS. It started with Bush invading another nation.

Actually, it started with FDR invading another nation. France,
specifically.

You're being very very silly.

Graham

I don't think so. A couple of things are at work here. One is the
military and cultural and technological and scientific dominance of
the USA as compared to Europe, which is bound to cause some
resentment. The other is expressed in the Chinese proverb, "if you
save someone's life, they will hate you forever."

You really are monumentally stupid.

You are fat, poor, unhappy, and frustrated by the state of the world.
I am none of these. Explain to me why I am the stupid one here.

Because you're stupidly happy in your profound ignorance ?

The only thing that worries me about the 'state of the world' is what
idiocy America's up to next.

---
Bullshit.

All you're trying to do is avoid having to account for yourself in a
way which won't cast you in a bad light.

How much do you weigh?

How much do you make?

How much do you laugh?

Who would you like to see dead?

Are you willing to answer even just _one_ of the questions?

I wouldn't be.

 

[Daniel Mandic]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Only fostered by right-radicals. Here where I live for example....

Digital Freaks and so... with raunchy eye-glasses , telling me:
"You cannot say 'Good Day'.... that's not English. Bruuahahhhaaaa.
not English, this guy was really funny .

Best regards,

Daniel Mandic


And you are as misguided as the demented donkey.

Speaks for you. Ok.. .... ..... ;-)))

I forgot to mention the 50:50 syndrom. I use to call it 'Casino
syndrome'. (Red Black)



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

John Fields wrote:

On 06 Oct 2006 03:11:24 GMT, "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@aon.at
wrote:


We have a phrase here, it goes, "when two are struggling laughs the
third".

---
I like that!

I am sure you are a pretty person John. Be aware of high morons. Maybe
they are mad, nut not stupid.


Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

Eeyore wrote:

Bin Laden's quite possibly dead.

He died in Tora Bora



Best regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:51:32 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:43:42 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 11:33:17 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:


The only thing that worries me about the 'state of the world' is what
idiocy America's up to next.

You are blaming externals for an internal state, a convenient and
paralyzing cop-out. For anyone reasonably healthy and living in a
free, developed country not to be happy is stunning stupidity. Sad,
too.

Our freedoms are under threat as a result of American stupidity.

Since it makes you happy to be unhappy, keep blaming the US for what
you do to yourself. Enjoy!

I'm full or rasberry cream cheese brioche, vanilla cream puff pastry,
and Peet's coffee, and have some interesting architectures to
brainstorm with the boys when I (eventually) get to work, so you can
see why I'm just brimming with benevolence this morning.

John

John, Please keep feeding your face, but PLEASE stop feeding the troll
;-)

...Jim Thompson

Well, they do bring up some subjects that are interesting, and give me
opportunities to practice my writing styles. And, actually, conversing
with fat, unhappy European neurotics makes me appreciate my life and
my country even more!

JOhn

 

[Eeyore]

Ken Smith wrote:

In article <kurtullman-0481F2.19314905102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

[...]

Managed to put down the
chimney of the Chinese Embassy during Kosovo, too, Rip roaring accuracy.

You are assuming it was an error. Consider that it may have been on
purpose and think back.

It hit the target it was programmed for, for sure.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:23:08 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

So, you don't carry anything else?...........
.........An insurance card so you don't die while waiting for
the hospital to make sure they will be paid for their services?

You really don't know much about the UK do you ?

Medical services are free.

---
Such as they are, I've heard.

A misconception based on paying too much attention to certain segments of
the media.

 

[Eeyore]

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:03:17 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Which one would that be, the dangers of driving on the nation's highways?
That's at least 3 orders of magnitude greater of a real threat to every
person in the country than is terrorism.

3000 people died at the WTC. Three orders of magnitude from that is 3
million. We kill about 40K people a year in car accidents.

ISTR that Bin Laden's next goal is to kill 3 million people and
he's not fussy about who they are.

I'd like to see evidence of a *credible* threat. Basing foreign policy on
what someone *might* do is fear-mongering of the worst variety.

This would appear to be current US thinking though.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

I feel like I am stuck in a time warp here.

I went for a jog today and I carried no cashpoint card, no driving
licence,
no membership card, no credit card.

Each day (or when I can be bothered), I choose what I will carry with me.

Being _forced_ to carry an ID card is a different matter. Do you see
this?

If compulsory ID cards were in force and I had been stopped out jogging,
I
would have broken the law and been subject to arrest. That is not a
choice
in _any_ dictionary I have ever come across. Do you have a different one?

Now, back to the question which you so deftly ignored Can you explain to
me
where _I_ have the problem understanding the word [choice] use?


So, what happens if you are out jogging and the police have an APB
for a suspect that matches your description? You chose not to carry
some ID, so you are arrested and held because you have no proof you are
not the man they are looking for. Some choice.!

Aha, your idiocy continues. It is still _choice._

That not withstanding, even if I had ID what good would that do, unless the
police knew the ID of the suspect?

You are also highlighting problem with the guilty until proven innocent
state the UK and US seem to head towards.

I am innocent of all crimes until the police can prove otherwise. I do not
have to prove my innocence.

 

[T Wake]

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It is you, fuckhead, that is incredulous.

Yes, I suspect it is he who is incredulous at your idiocy. I think the
word
you wanted is "incredible", as in "not credible".


No. It was said just fine.

Nothing you say carries any credence either.

Ooh, such a big word. Did you have to look it up? Bet you had a little
lie down afterwards, didn't you?

Nah, it's the only word he can remember from the name of the band. The
other two (Clearwater, and Revival) are three syllables, and thus too
long.

LOL.

And the word he was looking for was "credibility".

Shame you put him out of his misery. Now the voices will make his head hurt
again.

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:42:27 +0100, Eeyore
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It's only when Americans get killed you get mad.

You're quite happy for the USN to kill innocent foreigners by the
planeload and it
doesn't even 'register on your radar' does it ?

---
Oh, the righteous indignation...

The pilot of the airplane was told to change his course because he
was an apparent threat to one of our assets and its crew. He chose
not to. Kaboom. End of story.

I am sure you are well aware of how wrong this is.

A passenger plane is a threat to a US Warship? How the mighty have fallen.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

Inbreeding is a terrible thing.


Then stop doing it and let your family tree grow some real branches.


Sorry, I didn't realise you held the monopoly on it. Hey, I am sure it
makes
it easier for you to remember father / mothers day though. And you only
need
a small house for a family get together. No wonder you want to keep it
all
to yourself.


Nice try. Must be some of that lowbrow british humor.

No, I was being serious for once. I just thought that your, erm, talents
were due to the gene puddle you stem from being a bit muddied.

See how wrong you are when you try to think?


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

I don't have to. Your country can intercept other nations to gather
foreign
intelligence.


Unless you are a terrorist, what are you worried about?


Interesting argument.

And completely false.

Sadly yes. It is the worst fear-mongering argument ever. (Worst as in
"most
wrong" )

It's tantamount to "If you aren't a criminal, then why are you worried
about me searching your basement." The authors of the Constitution
knew
that, at some point, some demagog would use this argument to violate
somebody's rights, so they put it in the constitution that, whether
you're
a criminal/terrorist or not, you don't have to worry about somebody
invading your house to have a look around, just because they don't like
you.


I work in corporate security and often work for governmental
organisations, will you please surrender to me all your bank records
so I
can check what transactions take place. I also want you to record your
movements and actions at all times.

I am sure, that as you are not a terrorist, you will have no qualms
against this.

I await the data.

Well put. I wouldn't hold your breath.


I wont.... It must mean he is a terrorist though.


Typing with one hand again? Pervert!


Brilliant. You like my witty remarks so much you use them back at me.

Please, try not to leave a mess on the keyboard when you reply to my posts.
It is never a nice thing.

Keep going with the paranoia posts though. They make me laugh.

You're cheating on your mirror? shame on you.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Eeyore]

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

So much for mess prevention. So how many people does Bin Laden
have to kill before you deal with this problem? 300,000?
3,000,000? 300,000,000? A billion?

What makes you think any of the above are even remotely possible ?

They were brought in a culture that admires killing; I wasn't.

Again, evidence to justify this assumption? All the Muslims I know are very
much peace-loving people. Certainly much more so than any of the "kill 'em
all" Americans I see on this group.

Ironic isn't it ?

Graham