Jihad needs scientists

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:00:23 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:

So what? If push comes to shove we'll beat the shit out of them too,
whether they're popular or not, dumbass.

Beat the shit out of whom exactly ?

Whoever chooses to launch an attack on us or our friends or chooses
to make it seem like an attack from them is imminent. Or, maybe, as
you'd like to believe, just because they piss us off.

How exactly does Iraq fit into this justification for beating the crap out
of somebody?

It doesn't of course.

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Sure it does. AIUI, Saddam Hussein was violating, with impunity,
all of the UN sanctions that had been placed on Iraq, including
stealing the money that was supposed to have been used for
humanitarian purposes. Eventually the time finally came when we
decided that he needed to be made accountable, so we went after him.

And this has nothing to do with the reasons stated at the time.

Graham

 

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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There are lots of people in the UK who can't point to the Falkland Islands
on a map. There are even more who can't point to Uzbekistan or the
Democratic Republic of Congo.

I think that is sad.

I can only assume it is the same in the US. (And the same in Germany,
France, Uzbekistan, DROC etc.....)

Worse. In the US, 49% of the people who cannot find New York State on a
map. *49%*. *New Freakin' York*, fer Chrissakes. Jeezus. It goes beyond
sad.

Those Leno skits are funny, and are obviously not a candid representation of
the people he meets. But the reason they are so funny is that they
represent a fact about the general geographic illiteracy of Americans, that
would be funny if it weren't so sad. The statistics are out there. Read
them and weep.

http://www.edven.com/news_us_geo_illiteracy_stats.html

This is a commercial site, but these statistics are real--they were widely
reported when the study came out a few years ago.

How can people continue to yammer on about how much they think they know
about Muslims, and what their culture is like, and what their goals and
aspirations are...WHEN THEY DON"T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE?????

Eric Lucas

 

[John Fields]

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:45:03 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:10:34 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
lparker@emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:

A lot of this anti-US fervor started with Democrat Presidential
candidates trying out their sound bytes in 2002-2004 in Europe.

/BAH
OH BS. It started with Bush invading another nation.

Actually, it started with FDR invading another nation. France,
specifically.

You're being very very silly.

Graham

I don't think so. A couple of things are at work here. One is the
military and cultural and technological and scientific dominance of
the USA as compared to Europe, which is bound to cause some
resentment. The other is expressed in the Chinese proverb, "if you
save someone's life, they will hate you forever."

You really are monumentally stupid.

You are fat, poor, unhappy, and frustrated by the state of the world.
I am none of these. Explain to me why I am the stupid one here.

Because you're stupidly happy in your profound ignorance ?

The only thing that worries me about the 'state of the world' is what
idiocy America's up to next.

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Bullshit.

All you're trying to do is avoid having to account for yourself in a
way which won't cast you in a bad light.

How much do you weigh?

How much do you make?

How much do you laugh?

Who would you like to see dead?

Are you willing to answer even just _one_ of the questions?


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:00:07 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Fields wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Fields wrote:

I think the US's actions speak otherwise in that, clearly, we have
no aspirations to Empire.

" the Project for the New American Century is a non-profit, educational organization
whose goal is to promote American global leadership "

http://www.newamericancentury.org/aboutpnac.htm

Had we chosen to we could have kept
Germany and Japan after we beat them, but we didn't.

The *USA* didn't beat them and they weren't yours to keep.

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We sure as hell did

I'd give you most of the credit for Japan but Europe ? No way ever.

, and they were spoils of war, to do with as we saw fit.

No they weren't !

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Sure they were. As has already been pointed out, we occupied Japan
for as long as we thought necessary to ensure that their former
governmental system would be completely dismantled and irrevocably
replaced by one of our choosing.

As far as Germany goes, it was split up much like a treasure chest
won in a war (the "spoils of war") might be.

And it wasn't just the USA that beat Germany.

How do you think England got to be an empire, by giving it all back?

How many countries did we have to go to war with ( and how many killed ) to get the
Empire ?

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Who cares? The point is that the Empire came into existence because
of your acquisition and retention of "spoils of war".

Much of the Empire was acquired without war.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:48:40 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

According to my doctor, I am fine other than the medical problems.
No insanity, never had any problems with 95% of the people I've met.

OTOH, morons like the one who was blowing his horn and cursing at me
for walking too slow across a marked crosswalk while using my cane do
piss me off, as it should be. I had one punk try to take my cane away.
I wound his arm behind his back so tight he was begging for me to let
him go. I may be 100% disabled, but I'm no easy target. ;-)

Have you seen the movie, "Falling Down" ?


No, not yet. BTW, I found a website showing an easy way to put a
rapier blade inside a hollow cane. If someone grabs the staff, they save
you the trouble of pulling it off. Do you think I'd have to actually use
it, or would they run away looking for clean underwear?

Rapier blades are not very intimidating and unless you are really good, not
that threatening.

Assuming your assailant was close enough to grab your cane, he would also be
too close for the rapier to be used immediately. You would have to ensure
you could push him away or retreat fast enough to use it properly.

Then again, if he had a gun.....

I've also considered a tiny inverter and battery in the handle with
some nice copper inlay in the staff to deliver a couple hundred volts at
20 "Hurts" per second. I built one 40 years ago that burnt out a 110
volt 15 watt bulb when i tested it from a six volt lantern battery.
Think what I can do with a bunch of nicads or nimh. ;-)

You live in a wonderful society.

 

[T Wake]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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well, you know, its always open season
on trolls. No limit! ;-)

Yes we know. That is why you get replies.

 

[John Fields]

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:48:26 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

So, seriously: why do you care now?

America is now threatening my way of life.

Bizarre. How?

Because of all the wars you've been pointlessly starting and you want to
start more.

Have any bombs fallen in your neighborhood?

WTF is that supposed to mean ?


It's horrible. There's death and destruction on the news every night.

Bad news sells. Television news is crap, so don't watch it. That's one
thing you can rationally decide to do that will make you feel better.

Ignorance is bliss ? I bet that makes you feel really better !


British lads are dying for America

"For America"? What did we do, press them at sea? And why did they
join a volunteer army if they didn't want to be warriors?

The fuckwit Blair ordered them in.

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But they weren't conscripted troops, were they?
---

and all you do is tell us we're wrong
to criticise.

That's certainly not "all I do." In fact, I don't do that at all.

I can assure you that the British public is getting VERY
pissed off. I was just watching 'Question Time' and there was a very
anti-US feeling from the audience.

All those MPs watch too much TV, too.

Without a change of tack, I can see the North Atlantic Alliance falling
apart in the next couple of years.

Since the Russians are fairly docile these days, and Germany is
united, and Eastern Europe is free, it may as well; NATO did its job,
and did it well, and it's time for us to spend our money elsewhere.
Send us a "thank you" card and some chocolates maybe. Unless Russia
invades Georgia... that would be nasty, but the resulting European
dynamics would be interesting, probably hilarious in a sick sort of
way.

You're very silly. I reckon I'd rather have Russia as an ally than the USA
frankly.

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So move.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:06:03 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:


"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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It is you, fuckhead, that is incredulous.

Yes, I suspect it is he who is incredulous at your idiocy. I think the
word
you wanted is "incredible", as in "not credible".


No. It was said just fine.

Nothing you say carries any credence either.

Ooh, such a big word. Did you have to look it up? Bet you had a little lie
down afterwards, didn't you?

Nah, it's the only word he can remember from the name of the band. The
other two (Clearwater, and Revival) are three syllables, and thus too long.

And the word he was looking for was "credibility".

Eric Lucas

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:11:35 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:37:44 +0100, "T Wake"
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:30:06 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:


"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Reputedy Mohammed went a little ga-ga in his later years. Anyway,
show
me
a religious text that*isn't*
riddled with contradictions.

They're all really just books of magic spells anyway.

---
No, they're not. They're survival manuals.


Cool. Do they tell you which plants you can eat in the jungle? That has
always impressed me in the survival books.

---
No, they're mostly about survival in the desert and its environs.
Which animals to eat and things like that.


Not very good survival manuals.

---
Seems like they've worked, though.

Depends on your view of scale. Humanity existed for thousands of years
without them. People who cling to them seem remarkably capable of dying.

Do they tell you how to treat heat stroke?
Do they tell you how to ensure sandflys wont bite? Now that would be cool.

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Different kind of survival...

Oh well.

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:14:07 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 01:35:41 +0100, Eeyore
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John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:09:50 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:21:12 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:

"It" being radical Islam, the goal, in my opinion, would be to
convert everyone to Islam and have them be subject to control by
Muslim jurists, the goal being total world domination by Islam.

Refusal to convert would result in death.

There is no entity called 'radical Islam'.

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Just like there's no entity called 'white supremacists'.
---

Who exactly do you mean ?

---
The members of Islam who would have no qualms about relieving you
of
your head if you refused to convert.

Let me make this clearer.

Who *exactly* do you mean ?

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What, you want _names_?

That would be a start. Something more coherent than 'radical islam' for
example.

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Too bad a simple concept is so hard for you to grasp when it's other
than American.

For example, I'm sure you'd have no problem with radical white
American supremacists. well, understanding the concept, that is.
I'm sure you'd have a very _big_ problem with them otherwise.


I would have no problem with the phrase used properly. Radical Islamic
extremists provide the thrust for the terrorist attacks which this thread
is
about. Speaking of Radical Islamic extremists as a single coherent
organisation is wrong.

---
Yes, of course. That's why I used white supremacists as an example
since they're clearly understood to be fragmented groups, but more
or less unified through their ideology.

They do have slightly more unification than radical Islamic groups. Not many
white supremacist groups view other groups as black people.

 

[John Fields]

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:23:08 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

So, you don't carry anything else?...........
.........An insurance card so you don't die while waiting for
the hospital to make sure they will be paid for their services?

You really don't know much about the UK do you ?

Medical services are free.

---
Such as they are, I've heard.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:27:40 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



John Fields wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:09:50 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

Let me make this clearer.

Who *exactly* do you mean ?

What, you want _names_?

That would be a start. Something more coherent than 'radical islam' for
example.

---
Too bad a simple concept is so hard for you to grasp when it's other
than American.

No. It's *not* a simple concept you fuckwitted simpleton.

---
You're the only one who seems to be struggling with it
---

Who *are* these ppl ?

---
Who knows? Might be your next-door neighbors, might be mine.

Well, kill them all. God will know his own.

 

[Daniel Mandic]

T Wake wrote:

Assumption. Granted it is about 99.9% probable that without American
involvement in WWII the end would have been different and the Map of
Europe in 1945 would have looked different, but assuming that the US
were the only thing which prevented Germany destroying the UK is
unsupported.

You are stupid as the night is dark.


Can't you understand.... the Russian invasion... eahm., erm the german
invasion to Russia was only a mislead, of thinking the Na... in Russia
needs just one last proove, showing the power of the german Na....

After all, it was just a mind-blister.

As you can find many Na... all over the World, right now. Russia was
and is and have been always stronger than Germany, when looking to
ground forward, ducking, hedge and taking line kind of War.



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

John Fields wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:09:30 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



Daniel Mandic wrote:

John Fields wrote:

My reference to not speaking English as a first language was a
euphemism for being conquered, which was related to an earlier
post >> > by Graham stating that had the US not become involved in
WW2, >> > England and Germany might have teamed up to fight Russia
after >> > Germany double-crossed Russia. In my opinion that would
have been >> > suicide for England, as depleted as it would have
been, when Russia >> > came rolling in to get Germany.

So yes, the question was loaded, but it wasn't Monday morning
quarterbacking. Monday morning quarterbacking would have been
more >> > like: "If only Germany had done thus and such, she would
have won."

What things do you write about. My dear, your insights of the Human
history is reduced to a period of 7 years, yes?

C'mon, let's get some million years back.....

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What the fuck are you talking about, Mandic?
---

You are more stupid than the Moon is shining from its Dark Side.
(Mandic TM)




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:43:44 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



John Fields wrote:

What we want is an economically competitive planet with all nations
at peace and capable of determining their own futures.
Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be everyone's goal.
Fortunately, we're the cops.

No. You're the playground bullies.

---
No, were the ones who go after the playground bullies so that you
can have a safe playground.

Really? Who gets to say who the bully is?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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They banned the hell out of lawn darts - for sure.

Phew. Good job. Might have some one's eye out....

You think that is worse that the kids that died from them?

Three children -- ages 4,7, and 13 -- are known to have died in lawn
dart-related incidents.

In the U.S. for 2001, there were 29,573 deaths from firearms, distributed as
follows by mode of death: Suicide 16,869; Homicide 11,348; Accident 802;
Legal Intervention 323; Undetermined 231.(CDC, 2004) This makes firearms
injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. The number of
firearms-related injuries in the U.S., both fatal and non-fatal, increased
through 1993, but has since declined steadily.(CDC, 2001) However, firearms
injuries remain a leading cause of death in the U.S., particularly among
youth (CDC, 2004).

Every year there are 2,400 pool-related drownings from various causes among
kids aged 1 to 14.

Yep, lawn darts are a menace.

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:53:49 +0100, Eeyore
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Do you personally know anyone who doesn't carry some form of
identification?

What do you call a " form of identification " ?

It's not compulsory to carry a driving licence with you in the UK and I
don't.

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What do you use for identification when you use a credit card or
cash a check?

Nothing.

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Fields wrote:

What do you think about the Vincennes shooting down an Iranian Airbus then ?

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From:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/3/newsid_4678000/4678707.stm

"The USS Vincennes had tracked the plane electronically and warned
it to keep away. When it did not the ship fired two surface-to-air
missiles, at least one of which hit the airliner."

I think the airplane's pilot should have had the good sense to heed
the Vincennes' warning.

The Vincennes transmitted that warning on a military frequency which airliners don't
have the receivers for. Why they didn't broadcast it on a civilian frequency ? They
thought it was an F-14 !

The fact is that they didn't even know it was an airliner despite having the most
up-to-date radars etc.!

Bloody idiotic Yank sailors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:03:20 +0100, Eeyore
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John Fields wrote:

Do you know when the next strike is going to occur and who the
perpetrators will be?

No-ordinary person does although our police here seem to be on the case.
That's their job.

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See? That's part of the behind-the-scenes work that they do that
keeps that crap from happening. The "secret" work that you
pooh-poohed as 'madness'.

The part that makes it difficult is that when nothing happens it
makes it seem like nothing's being done, and you condemn the effort
you can't even see.

I do lots of behind the scenes work to make Americans safe. Our secret
organisation decided to create the illusion that America is a superpower but
in reality the president answers to us.

Its all a secret though so no one knows it is happening. You should all
thank me anyway.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:47:07 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

The demented donkey doesn't realize that the increase in VD is mostly
in senior citizens living in age segregated communities like "The
Villages".

The rate in young ppl is on the rise too. The USA has one of the very worst records on this issue.

Graham

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=408249&in_page_id=1770


John