Jihad needs scientists

[T Wake]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Kurt Ullman wrote:

Or "If its tourist season why can't I shoot 'em?" Bumpersticker


I want to put a sign at the Florida state border that says, "Leave
your wallets, and go home!" ;-)

Interestingly, I go to Florida on holiday almost every year and it feels
like I _have_ just left my wallet (along with my PIN and all my credit cards
and overdraft details) by the time I leave.

 

[T Wake]

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:17:14 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:11:50 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message

The insurgent isn't automatically a terrorist.

It is a viewpoint issue. Were the July train bombers in London
insurgents or
terrorists?

Definitely terrorists. Not insurgents in any organised way.

Are Iraqis who plant carbombs in Iraq insurgents or terrorists?
What about Palestinians who strap P4 to their chests and detonate at an
Israeli checkpoint?

Probably both.

And the French resistance ?

Graham


The French resistance, what there was of it, didn't blow up French
kids and women in churches. The Iraqui insurgents are mostly killing
civilian Iraquis.


No. The "NON-Iraqi-but-in-Iraq-insurgents" ie:Islamic extremists
are killing most everyone that is being killed there.

Yeah, easier to call them Terrorists. I am impressed you managed to string
together so many words though. Well done.

They are PUSSY warriors. They do not even deserve the title of
warrior because warriors don't pull that wussy pussy shit.

So don't call them "warriors." This is not the tenth century.

Don't call it a war on terror because then you are calling them soldiers and
they are fighting a "war." (i.e. are warriors etc).

 

[T Wake]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
T Wake wrote:

If they did all this on their own, then may be we should be worried.

I think that's exactly the point.

You think we should be very worried?

Yes and no. I don't think there's a huge actual threat but we should be
concerned about the alienation of young Muslims ( and how and why of
course ).

No, I dont agree.

If you are saying the London bombers were acting alone without any
organisation and they are simply an example of five people going off the
rails then we dont need to worry about the alienation of young muslims. We
need to detain them all.

Alienation (in this context) happens to communities who feel disassociated
with the mainstream society.

You are saying these five fools were just five boys who decided to do
something horrible. Not an alienation issue.

If on the other hand, as I suspect, they are part of a large community who
feel they are "outside" the norms of behaviour in our society then, yes, we
do need to do something. (And we can do something).

Me personally, I think they are no different (if slightly more suicidal)
than the idiots who were IRA bombers in the seventies. Slightly less
scary
though.

The IRA made bigger bombs.

Only sometimes. The IRA were big fans of mortars and proxy bombs (not
totally different to suicide bombers). (Along with kneecapping, bank
robbing, prostitution rings, drug rings, punishment beatings when people
wouldn't pay etc... Terrorists just aren't nice people).

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 23:32:47 +0100, Eeyore
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John Fields wrote:

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:00:18 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
T Wake wrote:

The hearts and minds with the population did the trick.

As it has often done for the British Army but the US version has fucked
that
up for sure.

---
You're talking about a bygone era where we both shared winning
hearts and minds.

This is now, where the rules are a little different. Are you making
any friends in Iraq that we aren't? You do still have a presence
there, don't you?

We were doing quite well initially actually until the actions of US forces
ended
up with us all being tarred with the same brush.

Quite why we think of you lot as an 'ally' is almost beyond me.

---
Me too. The relationship is more like that between a vibrant young
man and old, doddering parents.

An interesting one. I suspect though, that the vibrant young man is actually
more like an immature teenager who hasn't learned how to live in society
properly yet - but is big enough to reach the gun cabinet.

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:52:47 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:00:23 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:

So what? If push comes to shove we'll beat the shit out of them too,
whether they're popular or not, dumbass.

Beat the shit out of whom exactly ?

Whoever chooses to launch an attack on us or our friends or chooses
to make it seem like an attack from them is imminent. Or, maybe, as
you'd like to believe, just because they piss us off.

How exactly does Iraq fit into this justification for beating the crap
out
of somebody?

It doesn't of course.

---
Sure it does. AIUI, Saddam Hussein was violating, with impunity,
all of the UN sanctions that had been placed on Iraq, including
stealing the money that was supposed to have been used for
humanitarian purposes. Eventually the time finally came when we
decided that he needed to be made accountable, so we went after him.

The timing was abysmal. If America had been more patient (and why not given
that the last decade or so never really mattered), then the situation in
Afghanistan could have been stabilised and Iraq could have had sufficient
forces for the task.

In addition, waiting would have disassociated the operation from looking
like a new crusade against Islam.

America really should have known better. The invasion pretty much served no
purpose that waiting (say) five years wouldn't have missed out on.

And found him. Not like a proud soldier willing to give his life
for Allah and the jihad, but like a coward in a rathole.

Yes, because he was a rat who should have been killed twenty years ago.

Didn't do anything to us or any of our friends, at least since
the first Gulf War, no credible threat, absolutely no WMDs of any sort.

---
Just because none were found doesn't mean their precursors or
finished weapons weren't moved before we got there.

It also doesn't mean they were there.

To misuse an analogy from previously, just because some one says the moon is
made of cheese doesn't mean it is until we can prove it is.

It was pre-emptive defence ! Or so they now tell us.

---
It was a preemptive offensive strike.

What, really, was the threat Iraq posed on the US?

Their army was so pitifully weak that there's no rational reason to
believe
that and attack from them was imminent to anybody

They certainly couldn't attack anyone they didn't have a border with for
sure.

---
More's the reason for attacking them when they're weak; you can be
sure of a win, you can destroy their capability to strengthen their
military, and you can minimize the loss of human life in the
conflict.

Yes. Only an idiot attacks an opponent stronger than they are. However, I
don't seem to remember that being the publicised reasons for the 2003
invasion. Did I miss something?

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:17:08 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



John Fields wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
T Wake wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
T Wake wrote:

If westerners are more concerned with staying alive than having
their
freedoms eventually they will convert and the conflict will end.

Why would they ever convert and why do you even consider that this
is what
it's about ?

Because this is the simplistic example.

They would convert because, as the example said, they are more
concerned
with staying alive than remaining free.

You wouldn't catch me doing it. I believe in the right to practice no
religion
at all !

---
They don't, so you'd be dead, silly boy.

Since it's not going to happen it's hypothetical.

---
So what? This entire argument is hypothetical, so if you buy the
premise you buy the bit.

If you dislike being in hypothetical space why do you even bother to
show your ugly faces?

Why the plural?

 

[T Wake]

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:22:17 -0400, Keith <krw@att.bizzzz> Gave us:

You're in a fantasy land. ONE SENTENCE of the NIE report was
leaked by the Democrats to try to discredit Bush. The four pages
around that one sentence, later released, say exactly the opposite.
Please get your "news" from someone other than Franken.

Good one.

Sycophant.

 

[T Wake]

<jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <45253CB2.A36CCD05@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:


jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

You can't accept that Islam isn't a threat to your lifestyle ?

Not only is it a threat, but it has already begun to
alter my lifestyle. My goal is to ensure that it
alter 100% of my lifestyle, if I'm allowed to exist.

Tell me more about this threat you perceive.

What exactly is it that you're afraid of ?

Loss of enough knowledge of how to do things that it will
take another 1000 years to reinvent the wheel.

Then we need to have a War on Faith Schools in the west. We can add a War
against the Arts and Humanities departments as well.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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So, if our double deckers work fine on our 'little London streets' how are
they going
to have a problem on big American ones ?

The steering wheel is on the wrong side.

They have steering wheels? I thought they had Pakis!

 

[T Wake]

<jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <45253AD1.1CA92D09@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
JoeBloe wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> Gave us:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
JoeBloe <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

Essentially a stupid jerk is all he amounts to.

Let him be one. He is merely doing the popular action in
blaming the US to assuage his fear.

I have no fear of these issues. It's the damn Americans who are
afraid
you clot !

America hating blind bastard. That's all you are, ass, and why
does
it smell like unkempt livestock in here?

It's what Bush has done to America that's horrible. It's brought the
very
worst out in eveyone there. It was fine under Clinton.

No. It was not fine at all.

It looked a heck of a lot better to me and least he was an intelligent and
articulate man, something that could never be said of Bush.

So you prefer people who can spin you a line of bullshit to
people who deal with real problems?

Sorry, aren't you the person who advocated spending billions to get Usma Bin
Laden because he _may_ kill more people as opposed to spending billions
solving the problems which _are_ killing people?

 

[T Wake]

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <p3dci29iodgrv27559q0ffvqh29bao5me3@4ax.com>,
JoeBloe <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:58:42 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
nobody@nowhere.com> Gave us:


"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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Jay Leno: "Which two countries border the United States?"

Girl on the Street: "Ummm, errr, ahhh, Europe and ummm, Paris?"

Yep, that's an American all right. Like those who think Alaska is an
island.


Do you actually think that it was unrehearsed and not intentional,
dumbass?

Obviously it was unrehearsed. Apparently you can't tell the difference
between fact and fiction. Since you clearly can't tell your ass from a
hole
in the ground that doesn't surprise anyone.


Idiot! When Leno goes out on the street, it is NOT *DURING* his
show it is prior to it, and the sessions last for hours, and yes
rehearsed bits get filmed, and then the editing department puts
together a little piece for the show. You really can't be that
stupid, can you?

Andit has been going on long enough that most people know it is the
idiots that get the screen time.

There are lots of people in the UK who can't point to the Falkland Islands
on a map. There are even more who can't point to Uzbekistan or the
Democratic Republic of Congo.

I think that is sad.

I can only assume it is the same in the US. (And the same in Germany,
France, Uzbekistan, DROC etc.....)

 

[T Wake]

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:55:46 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> Gave us:



Keith wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com says...
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Well, I'd like to have a few less crapolas posts so I can find
the ones were posted by thoughtful people.

Yet another American dismisses non-American thing thinking as crap.

All you seem to do is post lines like this. You have no dialog
just a gut reaction that happens to be deemed to be politically
correct at the moment.

Yep! /BAH, this is the stuffed donkey. Stuffed donkey, this is
/BAH. The stuffed donky is one of SED's most prominent (and least
useful) anti-American Europeons.

If a stuffed donkey can outhink most Americans it doesn't say much for
America does it ?

You're stuffed? Got any video, or is that too advanced for an ass
like you?

I figure if we saw the real you, you'd instantly make more kill
files, and the group might finally be rid of your stupid ass.

So why don't you kill file him? Are you waiting for other people to do it so
you can copy them?

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:17:25 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



T Wake wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:06:05 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:24:11 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

Ever wondered why it [international terrorism] happens to the USA
most btw ?

---
Nope. Losers want to blame everyone but themselves for their
predicaments and, so, take shots at the champ in an attemp to try to
convince themselves that they're not impotent.

Let me explain then.

It becasue America pokes its nose into stuff that's none of its
business
all the time and just generally likes to kick the little guys around.

---
Translation:

Because America has the wherewithal and the will to do whatever it
wants to, and all the little guys resent that.

Do Americans have a word for Bullying?

It's what the State Department does.

---
Geez, when we get our way it's bullying, but when you get yours it's
diplomacy?

Seems like a reasonable state of affairs to me....

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:48:28 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:06:05 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:24:11 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ever wondered why it [international terrorism] happens to the USA
most btw ?

---
Nope. Losers want to blame everyone but themselves for their
predicaments and, so, take shots at the champ in an attemp to try to
convince themselves that they're not impotent.

Let me explain then.

It becasue America pokes its nose into stuff that's none of its business
all the time and just generally likes to kick the little guys around.

---
Translation:

Because America has the wherewithal and the will to do whatever it
wants to, and all the little guys resent that.


Do Americans have a word for Bullying?


---
Yes, "bullying."

Cool I suspected as much

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 23:48:43 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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Because America has the wherewithal and the will to do whatever it
wants to, and all the little guys resent that.

Bullies are generally resented except by toadies.

---
That didn't seem to bother England back in her salad days, but now
that we have to kick a little butt every now and then it's not OK
for us?

Are you implying America is defending / building its empire?

You sound a little hypocritical to me, Homer.

Not at all. Here is an example, Person X used to beat his wife. After she
finally reported him, he went to jail and learned from his mistakes.

Now Person X says to Person Y "Don't hit your wife" - Person Y responds "You
used to do it, you hypocrite, why shouldn't I?"

Oh look, we [tinw] never learn.

 

[T Wake]

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:46:48 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> Gave us:



Keith wrote:

In article <45244E9E.D8DD822E@hotmail.com>,
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...

What do you think about the Vincennes shooting down an Iranian Airbus
then ?

Successful missile test?

How about proof of American sailors being trigger happy dickheads ?

The simple fact that you can make a joke out of the mass slaughter of
innocent ppl
is one reason why the rest of the world looks at the USA in incredulity.


911

What happened on the 9th of November?

It is you, fuckhead, that is incredulous.

Ok, I missed the bit where Eeyore was making a joke about the mass slaughter
of innocent people. Oh sorry, I forgot the voices in your head tell you what
you have read, don't they? Sorry.

 

[T Wake]

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:06:03 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> Gave us:


"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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It is you, fuckhead, that is incredulous.

Yes, I suspect it is he who is incredulous at your idiocy. I think the
word
you wanted is "incredible", as in "not credible".


No. It was said just fine.

Nothing you say carries any credence either.

Ooh, such a big word. Did you have to look it up? Bet you had a little lie
down afterwards, didn't you?

 

[Daniel Mandic]

John Larkin wrote:

That's actually true. "American" culture, which is actually world
culture, is the thing they fear will seduce their sons and liberate
their daughters. As it must.

John

World culture??? bruahahaha...


Only fostered by right-radicals. Here where I live for example....

Digital Freaks and so... with raunchy eye-glasses , telling me: "You
cannot say 'Good Day'.... that's not English. Bruuahahhhaaaa. not
English, this guy was really funny .



Best regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

John Fields wrote:

Try laughing at yourself; everyone else does...

Me not. He angles for compliments
(Thanks Graham, I am honoured), strange in the first but with a good
British Heart.


John. You... what could I say. You are the perfect example for anti
American Liberty thinking. I know the thinking (Liberty) is coming also
from Indian Influence, of course ;-). But let it.... when the US is
such a Big Time/s player, then account the thousand of years of their
culture. No, Not sooo much.. just a bit. (For the first... calm
down man. You cannot rule the world, but otherwise, no one is in the
slightest strong enough, to capture Amerika)



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:27:40 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



John Fields wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:09:50 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

Let me make this clearer.

Who exactly do you mean ?

What, you want names?

That would be a start. Something more coherent than 'radical
islam' for >> >example.

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Too bad a simple concept is so hard for you to grasp when it's
other >> than American.

No. It's not a simple concept you fuckwitted simpleton.

---
You're the only one who seems to be struggling with it
---

Please let this typical american phrases.

Who are these ppl ?

---
Who knows? Might be your next-door neighbors, might be mine.

Please let this typical american phrases.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic