Jihad needs scientists

[Homer J Simpson]

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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And what percentage of Americans have ever been further than Canada or
Mexico? Or have even left their own state?

Most US states are about the same size as England. I am sure a significant
percentage of English people have never left England. I am equally sure a
larger percentage have never been more than three timezones away or to two
different climatic zones. Americans can manage this within their borders.

I don't think you need a ferry to get from Arizona to Nevada.

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Fields wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Fine. So I'm never going to have the problem [forced conversion]. Hence it's moot.

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Your _assumption_ that you'll never have the problem because you'll
have your head buried in the sand to avert it doesn't mean that the
problem won't visit you. On the contrary, your refusal to recognize
it as a possibility makes you much more vulnerable than you'd
otherwise be. It might surprise you to hear this, but complacency
is _not_ a virtue.

There is no possibilty of me ever being asked to convert under threat of force simply
because there will never be enough Muslims here to be in a position to force me to do
anything ( even assuming they wanted to ) .

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All it takes is one...

One what exactly ?

In any case they'd have to overthrow EU and UK law first.

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No big deal. You've never heard of martial law?

Martial Law can only be imposed by a conquering army or whatever. You think this is likely
? How may brain cells do you have ?

The very concept is insanely stupid.

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Not at all. The implementation may be extremely difficult, but the
concept is already causing terrorist acts to occur there.

It's so utterly insane that I'm inclined to find a way to campaign against such crass
Republican stupidity.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <KsmdncSVMpRtxLjYRVnyig@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


There are two different things going on here. One is what you can
do as private citizen, which in AZ is that all are fair game. But we
were talking about what goverment (be it under the mantel of cop-dom or
spook-dom) can do. Whole 'nother kettle of fish..

Doesn't make it "right."

Makes it legal. To paraphrase Shark on CBS.. "Right is God's
problem."

Well, maybe. However, injust laws are still injust.

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:36:01 +0100, "T Wake"
<usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:10:21 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:01:40 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



John Fields wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:11:54 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <4520C55D.7B2F988C@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:

You need to do some reading. OBL for example.

I'm doing my reading. It is your reading that appears quite
superficial. Try following memri.org for a while, and that's just
for
starters.

I see they mention the Muslim Brotherhood. They're the ppl you really
should be scared about. Not >Islam
generally.

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Probably _you_ should be afraid. I don't think they've forgotten
the Crusades yet.

Afraid of what exactly ?

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Convert or die.


Which is most important to you, your life or your way of life?

---
Interesting question.

For me, it would depend on the situation.

Really? I dont see how.

---
Well, nothing is always black and white, so it would depend on the
situation when the time came to make the choice. After all,
converting to a religion under duress isn't actually like embracing
it, it's just doing whatever has to be done to make sure you stay
alive so you can fight later on.
---

Ultimately, though,
without life I'd have _no_ way of life, so I think clinging to life
would win out.


Then convert to Islam and live the rest of your life happy and peaceful.

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Who says so? My plan would be to convert so that I could work
against Islam from the inside. After all, the thinking behind
"convert or die" doesn't come from a philosophy I can abide, but if
I refused I'd have no way to try to cause its downfall.
---

The way I see it, everyone dies in the end.

---
Yeah, but you don't have to throw away what you have left for no
reason but to spite someone.
---

All I can do is try to ensure
those who live after me have the chances, freedoms and rights that I have
enjoyed. If I die sooner rather than later it makes no big difference in the
grand picture of things.

---
You don't know that.

If you die sooner than later you might miss a grand opportunity,
working underground, to pass on to those following you a chance at
self-determination.
---

Isn't the saying something along the lines of "The man who sacrifices
freedom for life deserves neither and will have neither"? (or words to that
effect).

---
It's more like "They who would give up essential liberty to purchase
a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." and
it's attributed to Benjamin Franklin.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Wow, I've hiked there, although only a little. No idea what was in them
woods! Not too surprised, though--the ONF reminds me a little of the Pine
Barrens in NJ, where I've also hiked. Ever heard about them?
Anthropologically fascinating area. The weather is amenable. Anyway, the
ONF has to be better than a steam grate in NYC....

Eric Lucas

Apparently, they end up living in there where they can use their
survival skills to hide from the world they are afraid of. Its warm
enough that they don't need many nights with a fire to ward off the
cold.

I've never been to the Northeast. The Midwest, west coast, Alaska
and the southeast, but not the New England area. The Florida "Green
belt runs right behind my house. It has hiking and horse trails, and you
hear someone out there from time to time. I keep threatening to install
a couple PA speakers out there, about a quarter mile apart so I can play
the theme from "Deliverance" when I hear someone. ;-)

BTW, do you know how to cut firewood when the trees are frozen?

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[T Wake]

<lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
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Nope. not good enough. If the call is suspect it can't wait a
"certain number of hours". The value is gone by the time they can
call a FISA judge.

No, nice try at a strawman, but it has nothing to do with what I'm saying
and what is provided for in FISA.

Strawman or not, the time sensitive nature of the intelligence still is not
a strong enough argument for most cases.

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <XfadnZaf6qZr57jYRVnytw@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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.
In article <KsmdncSVMpRtxLjYRVnyig@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


There are two different things going on here. One is what you can
do as private citizen, which in AZ is that all are fair game. But we
were talking about what goverment (be it under the mantel of cop-dom or
spook-dom) can do. Whole 'nother kettle of fish..

Doesn't make it "right."

Makes it legal. To paraphrase Shark on CBS.. "Right is God's
problem."

Well, maybe. However, injust laws are still injust.

But injust is subjective. I find it sorta hard to believe that your
definition of an unjust law and mine is going to be congruent that
often. Doesn't make you wrong and me right (well actually as far as I am
concerned it does, but again is subjective).

 

[T Wake]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

In the UK when a nutcase kills someone, the press hound social services
("How could you let this happen") and inevitably some poor functionary
will
get sacked as a scapegoat. However, the reality of the matter is the
nutter
was the bad person and the _only_ person to blame.

Actually, in the case of UK social services I can readily believe that
policy
was to blame in fact.

Really? The policy made the madman kill people? Wow. I never realised that.

 

[T Wake]

"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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Entertainingly, most of the comments seem to come from Americans.

I especially like this one:

"Agreed. Finally abstinance is being taught and encouraged in American
schools. Things are actually starting to look up morally here, at least
where I live. Girls who "fool around" are really looked down upon and
almost shunned in my school. Because of that we really don't have a
problem.

- Danny Dymarkowski, Archbold Ohio"

I am going to laugh about that for days.

No shit. No virgin ever did anything for me.

BTW, IIRC the abstinence only programs lead to a much higher rate of
abortions.

And STIs.

(And often cases of children lying through their teeth about what they get
up then admitting it all when they get older..)

 

[T Wake]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
message

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=408249&in_page_id=1770

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=408249&in_page_id=1770

Are you a ten-percent-er?


Entertainingly, most of the comments seem to come from Americans.

I especially like this one:

"Agreed. Finally abstinance is being taught and encouraged in American
schools. Things are actually starting to look up morally here, at least
where I live. Girls who "fool around" are really looked down upon and
almost
shunned in my school. Because of that we really don't have a problem.

- Danny Dymarkowski, Archbold Ohio"

I am going to laugh about that for days.

I'll bet she takes it up the arse though ! Apparently in the USA that
isn't considered real sex and so
doesn't count. That why syphilis rates are rising.

The "really don't have a problem" thing was one of the funnier bits (when I
got over the rest of the sanctimonious nonsense). I am _sure_ they
don't.....

 

[T Wake]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote
lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Calling "criticism" "unacceptable" is not an opinion--it's an
argument-winning tactic that involves tacitly silencing anybody who
disagrees with you.

Criticism was considered unacceptable in 1930s Germany too.

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If the parallel is valid, expect to hear someone knocking on your
door because of your antics here.

Thankfully, the UK isn't yet run by a bunch of crooks like the USA is.

"yet" being emphasised. (IMHO)

 

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <HPWdnXZeKd_lvLnYRVnyig@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


If you spent your day waving placards outside the Whitehouse saying
how
great the UK was and how all Americans should live like that the
analogy
would make more sense.

I'd still argue it. Lots of reason to stay home, not the least of
which
is trying to reform your home country. That and all those extra "u"s
they throw into words for no apparent in the UK (G).

Nothing wrong with the letter u. I've never understood why Americans
seem
to
avoid it. (Don't get me started on the pronunciation of route... )

You British twits added the extraneous "U"s in a pathetic attempt to
make yourselves look witty. It didn't work.

Other way round really.

Really? Look at some historical texts and get back to me.

Not sure about spelling, but I've read some very well-researched serious
scholarly linguistic articles that say that the British English accent at
the time of the American colonies was very much closer to the current New
England accent than to the current variety of British accents. It seems
speech in the "colonies" was and is much more conservative than speech in
the mother land. I don't remember what their evidence was, there are
obviously no audio tapes to compare. However, I do remember them being
pretty certain of their evidence--it was really much more than just
speculation. It may have had to do with several isolated societies in North
Carolina Appalachians that have almost exactly the same accent as New
England. This is part of the reason I get so amused when Brits look down
their noses at US pronunciation and lexicon, and act like they're the only
ones entitled to call themselves "speakers of English". (No, let's not
start *that* pissing match again.)

Some linguists even interpret the shifts in England as related to blueblood
Londoners putting on airs, and that accent subsequently catching on in other
parts of the country. I suspect this last part is a bit of a stretch, but
the whole thing is an interesting thesis. I find it fascinating to think
about how people spoke in the past, and how language has evolved. Puts a
whole new perspective in the various new inner-city lexicons and
pronunciations that have developed, even in my lifetime.

Eric Lucas

 

[T Wake]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:03:17 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Which one would that be, the dangers of driving on the nation's highways?
That's at least 3 orders of magnitude greater of a real threat to every
person in the country than is terrorism.

3000 people died at the WTC. Three orders of magnitude from that is 3
million. We kill about 40K people a year in car accidents.

3000 people (not all of whom were US citizens) have been killed by Islamic
terrorist attacks on the Mainland US in (shall we say 80 years). How many
have died in car accidents in that time?

That said, you are nitpicking in the same manner. More than ten times as
many people die every year as died as a result of the 11 Sep 01 attack. That
is TEN attacks of that scale (and that was a large scale attack by anyone's
standards) every single year. Year in, year out and accepted as a normal
risk in life.

Amazing really.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
message

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=408249&in_page_id=1770

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=408249&in_page_id=1770

Are you a ten-percent-er?


Entertainingly, most of the comments seem to come from Americans.

I especially like this one:

"Agreed. Finally abstinance is being taught and encouraged in American
schools. Things are actually starting to look up morally here, at least
where I live. Girls who "fool around" are really looked down upon and
almost
shunned in my school. Because of that we really don't have a problem.

- Danny Dymarkowski, Archbold Ohio"

I am going to laugh about that for days.

I'll bet she takes it up the arse though ! Apparently in the USA that
isn't considered real sex and so
doesn't count. That why syphilis rates are rising.


The "really don't have a problem" thing was one of the funnier bits (when I
got over the rest of the sanctimonious nonsense). I am _sure_ they
don't.....

The demented donkey doesn't realize that the increase in VD is mostly
in senior citizens living in age segregated communities like "The
Villages". They made the news a while back for the number of new cases
reported.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:24:14 +0100, "T Wake"
<usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

Second what?.......

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--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[T Wake]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

Really? What did Teacher set as the victory condition? This is USENET,
despite all the hard talk and macho strutting all people are doing is
typing
words. How can any one win or lose a "tauntfight" like that?


Endurance.

Aha. The mad, the unemployed, the social misfits, (and so on) are the
victors then. Wonderful.

 

[T Wake]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

Ouch. You cutting wit has shamed me. I do apologise.

However, as you feel able to invade our newsgroup with crossposted
bullshit
(and imply your rules are more acceptable) I must bow to your masterful
double standards.

Yawn.

If you spent less time trying to sling insults, you may get enough sleep to
read through a full post.

Based on the frank and honest response, I see it really is a case of you
having nothing better to defend your position than a collection of
logical
fallacies wrapped up in schoolground taunts.


Not true: I have NEVER taunted a schoolground.

Aha. Interesting take on the grammar. Well done. Keep up the good work.

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <p_OdnTk5wevL47jYnZ2dnUVZ8tCdnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

Really? What did Teacher set as the victory condition? This is USENET,
despite all the hard talk and macho strutting all people are doing is
typing
words. How can any one win or lose a "tauntfight" like that?


Endurance.


Aha. The mad, the unemployed, the social misfits, (and so on) are the
victors then. Wonderful.

You sound like you think that may be a bad thing....

 

[T Wake]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
T Wake wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

Israel can only 'win' by erasing Lebanon.

Is that what you want ?

What alternative do they have? Until the Palestinians and Arabs can
accept
Israel's existence, Israel can not hold off on its defensive posture.

Do you advocate Israel surrender?

Many Arab nations have sorted this one out. We really do need to bash
the
Israeli and Palestinian heads together.

The Palestinians have been offered the same all other Arab nation have
been
offered.

Is there ever going to be an acceptable midde ground?

There will *have* to be !

I'd like to think that, but there is no reason to be sure this is the case.

Whilst Israel continues to get a blank cheque from the USA it's not
going
to happen of course.

Maybe. Hard to think of a reason why the US should abandon it's support
of
Israel though.

What does the USA get out of it ? Apart from terrorist attacks ?

Well, my personal feeling is that changing your foreign policy as the
result of terrorist attacks is _always_ wrong.

The US has recognised the right of the State of Israel to exist. Why should
they stop supporting them? Supporting Israel to simply get at the Arabs is
wrong, but why stop supporting an otherwise closely allied country?

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:30:49 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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What _is_ illegal is establishing a presence here and then using
that presence to break our laws.

The internet is not a presence.

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Sigh...

You missed the point.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer