Jihad needs scientists

[Eeyore]

John Larkin wrote:

If you want to get snippy, consider this: there are several times more
Native Americans alive now, in the USA, than there were when Columbus
landed in the Americas. And there is a tiny fraction of the Jews
living in Germany than there were in 1935.

What's that got to do with anything ?

You're saying you're better than the Nazis ? Sure I'll go for that.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

John Larkin wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Lloyd Parker wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

A lot of this anti-US fervor started with Democrat Presidential
candidates trying out their sound bytes in 2002-2004 in Europe.

/BAH
OH BS. It started with Bush invading another nation.

Correct. I didn't really give a damn before.

Graham

So, seriously: why do you care now?

America is now threatening my way of life.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

<jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <452390F5.E960000B@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:


jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
T Wake wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message

This mess is about changing a mindset; either Western
civilization's
mindset is changed or religious extremists' mindset is changed.

I agree completely.

How about removing the either and replacing the or with and ?

Also an option. Any one of those three will work.

I think the mutual concession option

This option does not exist.

You can't accept that Islam isn't a threat to your lifestyle ?

Not only is it a threat, but it has already begun to
alter my lifestyle. My goal is to ensure that it
alter 100% of my lifestyle, if I'm allowed to exist.

Islam hasn't altered anything about your lifestyle.

The measures you, or your government acting on your behalf, have taken have
altered that lifestyle.

How much of your lifestyle are you willing to alter to be allowed to exist?
Living as a Muslim under Sharia law is not a 100% alteration of your
lifestyle, would you take that option to continue your existence? If not,
where would you draw the line? Is it OK as long as other people make
sacrifices for your existence?

 

[YD]

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:15:52 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:42:06 -0300, YD <ydtechHAT@techie.com> wrote:

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:01:56 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:53:57 -0300, YD <ydtechHAT@techie.com> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:37:41 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

[snip]

Sheeesh! Do a Google-groups search on Eeyore/Graham... he's a
depraved poster to porn groups, so he's probably in a cell, posting
from the prison library ;-)

...Jim Thompson

PPOSTFU

- YD.

Several lurkers here have done the same Google-group search and
verified it. So do it yourself. ESAD ;-)

...Jim Thompson

So you don't in fact have anything except for what you fantasize in
your twisted mind.

- YD.

At least my twisted mind can read. Do the fucking Google-groups
search and it comes right up.

Dipshit. Bye.

...Jim Thompson

You made the claim. It's up to you to prove it, or STFU. Dimwit.

- YD.
--
Remove HAT if replying by mail.

 

[T Wake]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:10:41 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:


"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
message
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Yet another American dismisses non-American thing thinking as crap.

Crap thinking knows no borders.

Actually the US border does delineate a lot of it. Americans as a group
are
almost totally focussed inwards - but are not at all introspective. Their
thinking is not at all broadened by knowledge of the world, and they are
amazingly gullible.



Sounds strange to me. The people I know have traveled a lot, and many
have lived in other countries. Americans are often fans and admirers
of other countries and languages. As for not being very introspective,
that is true of many Americans,

Not just Americans - but because your country is bigger it is more apparent.

I live in Rural England. I have been to villages where I refuse to believe
that _any_ of the locals have travelled more than 50 miles from the town
hall.

The fact they all have big, sloped, foreheads and the same surname is
suspicious to say the least

and it's generally a virtue: jobs,
hobbies, interests, causes, and family are a lot more interesting than
narcissistic, neurotic self-absorption. Maybe you are mistaking
politeness and open-mindedness for being gullible: they are different.

Of course America is big, with beaches, glaciers, mountains, rivers,
an enormous variety of geography and cultures. Not all Americans elect
to fly overseas when we have 50 different states of our own to
explore.

Exactly.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

T Wake wrote:

Really? What did Teacher set as the victory condition? This is USENET,
despite all the hard talk and macho strutting all people are doing is typing
words. How can any one win or lose a "tauntfight" like that?

Endurance.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:03:17 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Which one would that be, the dangers of driving on the nation's highways?
That's at least 3 orders of magnitude greater of a real threat to every
person in the country than is terrorism.

3000 people died at the WTC. Three orders of magnitude from that is 3
million. We kill about 40K people a year in car accidents.

....integrated over the history of the automobile, it's within a factor of
two of 3 orders of magnitude. It's closer to 3 orders of magnitude than 2
or 4. Sheesh, in case you missed my point, driving a car is vastly more of
a threat to society than is terrorism.

Eric Lucas

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

T Wake wrote:

Ouch. You cutting wit has shamed me. I do apologise.

However, as you feel able to invade our newsgroup with crossposted bullshit
(and imply your rules are more acceptable) I must bow to your masterful
double standards.

Yawn.

Based on the frank and honest response, I see it really is a case of you
having nothing better to defend your position than a collection of logical
fallacies wrapped up in schoolground taunts.

Not true: I have NEVER taunted a schoolground.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Eeyore]

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:11:50 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
T Wake wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message

The insurgent isn't automatically a terrorist.

It is a viewpoint issue. Were the July train bombers in London insurgents or
terrorists?

Definitely terrorists. Not insurgents in any organised way.

Are Iraqis who plant carbombs in Iraq insurgents or terrorists?
What about Palestinians who strap P4 to their chests and detonate at an
Israeli checkpoint?

Probably both.

And the French resistance ?

Graham

The French resistance, what there was of it,

What do you mean by that ?

didn't blow up French
kids and women in churches. The Iraqui insurgents are mostly killing
civilian Iraquis.

That was in fact my point but it wasn't yourself I was asking.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:03:13 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

It's what Bush has done to America that's horrible. It's brought the very
worst out in eveyone there. It was fine under Clinton.

No. It was not fine at all.

It looked a heck of a lot better to me and least he was an intelligent and
articulate man, something that could never be said of Bush.

Of course he was articulate. Many sociopaths are.

And Bush *isn't* one ?

Graham

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <gZCdncvdOOR47LjYRVny2w@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
hall.

The fact they all have big, sloped, foreheads and the same surname is
suspicious to say the least

Aunt Mom and Uncle Dad is another dead giveaway.
If your family tree don't branch....

>

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

T Wake wrote:

Good job he could stand on you to stay clear.

In your dreams.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Eeyore]

Homer J Simpson wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote
T Wake wrote:

Do Americans have a word for Bullying?


Yes, do you have one for yellow bellied cowards?

Yes. Republicans.

Bah ! Republicans are IGNORANT yellow-bellied cowards.

Graham

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4524ABEE.A857925C@earthlink.net...
T Wake wrote:

When we all have to carry ID cards I will know the "war" is indeed over.


You don't have a driver's license?

Did you miss the word "have" in my post?

I _choose_ to carry a drivers licence. I _choose_ to drive.

Choice.

Do you personally know anyone who doesn't carry some form of
identification?


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Eeyore]

Homer J Simpson wrote:

"Keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote

Where did the current terrorism financing and materials come
from?

From the USA (oil). Unlike most every other conflict, the US is paying
for both sides in this one.

...and only the USA buys middle east oil? You are as ignorant as
the stuffed donkey.

Right. Sure. If the US wasn't importing oil to feed its ridiculous fleet of
inefficient cars what would happen to world prices and hence the flow of
money to the Middle East?

Don't knock it !

America always likes to back both sides.

See the history of the Ford Motor Co in pre WW2 ( and immediately post 1939 )
Germany for example.

Graham

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <452573BD.DAD71895@earthlink.net>,
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Do you personally know anyone who doesn't carry some form of
identification?

I know a bunch. But then I work with homeless schizophrenics, which
might not be a real usable sample...

 

[T Wake]

"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
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Sounds strange to me. The people I know have traveled a lot, and many
have lived in other countries. Americans are often fans and admirers
of other countries and languages. As for not being very introspective,
that is true of many Americans, and it's generally a virtue: jobs,
hobbies, interests, causes, and family are a lot more interesting than
narcissistic, neurotic self-absorption. Maybe you are mistaking
politeness and open-mindedness for being gullible: they are different.

Of course America is big, with beaches, glaciers, mountains, rivers,
an enormous variety of geography and cultures. Not all Americans elect
to fly overseas when we have 50 different states of our own to
explore. Your thinking seems to be undisturbed by actual knowledge of
the US.

And what percentage of Americans have ever been further than Canada or
Mexico? Or have even left their own state?

Most US states are about the same size as England. I am sure a significant
percentage of English people have never left England. I am equally sure a
larger percentage have never been more than three timezones away or to two
different climatic zones. Americans can manage this within their borders.

America is a country, yes, but it is large. Comparing the population
behaviours to those of smaller countries can be misleading. What percentage
of Europeans have been outside Europe?

Don't get me wrong, I actively dislike American policies, I just think that
sometimes Americans are innocent of the criticisms levelled at them.

 

[Eeyore]

Homer J Simpson wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote

And what percentage of Americans have ever been further than Canada or
Mexico? Or have even left their own state?

I don't know. But I personally know few people who have not traveled
the world a good deal. I've spent time in, and worked in, England, the
USSR, France, and Japan, and visited a few others. My wife lived in
Germany for a couple of years and traveled extensively. Her sister
spends her vacations in a village in Siberia. And like that.

Bush had no passport before being selected as president. After his
inauguration a Canadian TV 'reporter' passed on to him the congratulations
of Prime Minister Tim Horton, which Bush gratefully acknowledged. Tim
Horton's is a well known Canadian coffee and donut shop chain. Jean Chrétien
was PM of Canada at the time.

Let's face it, Bush is a Moron.

I well recall his being quizzed pre-election about the president of Pakistan.
All he could say was "General.... General... ". He didn't know his name. I'll
bet Musharraff hasn't forgotten that.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Kurt Ullman wrote:

"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message

Where did the current terrorism financing and materials come
from?

From the USA (oil). Unlike most every other conflict, the US is paying
for
both sides in this one.

...and only the USA buys middle east oil? You are as ignorant as
the stuffed donkey.

Right. Sure. If the US wasn't importing oil to feed its ridiculous fleet of
inefficient cars what would happen to world prices and hence the flow of
money to the Middle East?

Not much since it would largely be gobbled by China and India
among others.

How would that happen ?

Is this some kind of perverse excuse for inefficiency ?

Graham

 

[T Wake]

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Well, I'd like to have a few less crapolas posts so I can find
the ones were posted by thoughtful people.

Reasonable enough wish, although it carries the risk that you only read
posts which say things you already agree with.... Always seems kind of
pointless to me.

Seems that's what most people in this discussion want...and if you don't
give it to them, they'll swear at you, insult you, and even threaten
physical violence and assault. I have learned a lot from the few
*reasonable* posters in this thread, both those I agree with *and* those
I don't...and there are even a few people in the discussion with whom I
disagree but they still showed respect for my opinion. It's too bad
that everyone else is so insecure in themselves and their views that the
slightest difference of opinion brings obscenity, insults and threats of
violence instead of healthy discussion.

Sadly it is what passes for normal debate on USENET most of the time
though

With the exception of the occasional satirical response to the Netkook du
jour, Uncle Al's occasional rants at homework grubbers and greenies, and a
few other immature wackos like Hanson, sci.chem has for a long time (at
least back to 1993, when I first became active) been much more civil than
this. People disagree and debate all the time, but it is *extremely* rare
that it gets to the "fuck you" stage of pointless genital-measuring. One
would hope that the rest of the sci.* hierarchy was similarly mature, but
I guess not.

Maybe I gravitate to the more argumentative threads You do have a point
though.