Jihad needs scientists

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <452559FA.7F68DA56@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ken Smith wrote:

T Wake <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

A surprisingly small number of Islamic extremists are actually willing to
die for their cause you know?

Their belief system encourages it with promices of virgins etc

It's a *distorted* version of their 'belief system' that does that. Don't
blame Islam.

It is a "distorted" version of Islam. It is a perfect version of their

belief system.

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <ujmai25qup9o2org7nuj0lua75hdd6soa4@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:07:36 GMT, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com
wrote:

In article <M9cVg.51603$E67.40698@clgrps13>,
"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kurtullman-25F347.08023505102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.m
x..
.

And what percentage of Americans have ever been further than Canada or
Mexico? Or have even left their own state?

Ever watch Jay Leno?

Yep that certainly meets my criteria for a well-done population
study....

Jay Leno: "Which two countries border the United States?"

Girl on the Street: "Ummm, errr, ahhh, Europe and ummm, Paris?"

Yep, that's an American all right. Like those who think Alaska is an
island.

Yep I am impressed how one girl on the street can then be reliably
used as an exemplar for 300 million or so people. When do you go to
Norway?

We're not expected to be at 300 million until next week ;-)

...Jim Thompson
Thus the "or so". Anal retentives abound around here (g).

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:49:49 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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---
Sometimes a crude allegory serves admirably in making a point
quickly.


On both sides of the debate....

---
Yes, but often the point made by the side with the crude allegory
overshadows the implicit admonition against political incorrectness
enjoyed, silently, by the other side.

Fair one and (IMHO) neither are really valid debating styles. If people want
to throw insults at each other, great. I have no problem with that.

That is, if that's what you had in mind.

I am not sure what I had in mind.

If it isn't, and both sides revert to crude allegory, then the
psycholgy underlying the symbology can get very interesting.

Yes, although it does imply that both sides of the debate are somewhat
fixated with inserting things up their own backsides..........

Interesting symbology but, based on the mental picture I have of the
"average" person on USENET, not pleasant....

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Fields wrote:
"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote

They did break US law. There's lots of legal precedence here. If a
Canadian kills a US citizen in Canada, that's a violation of US law.

Don't care. It's a violation of Canadian law and must be punished under that
law.

---
I agree. The crime should be prosecuted in the jurisdiction in
which it's committed.

So are you going to press for a change in US law ?

---
Of course not. Why should I?

You're a 2 faced shit in that case.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

<lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gordon wrote:

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:46:00 GMT, "Homer J Simpson" wrote:
"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message

Clinton was successful.

Bush is a failure.

Unless you assume some really bad things about his motives that is.

9/11 was Bush's failure.

How long had Bush been in office when 9/11 occurred? Who was in
office the 8 years before that?

Well, if you're going to play that ridiculous game...what party was in
office for 12 years before that, and 20 of the past 24? Surely *they*
deserve a lot of the blame too, with such an extended stay in power....

An interesting sidenote, highlighted by this thread in places, but more
obvious in the "mainstream media" is that when a BADTHING(tm) happens the
first thing people do is find some one to blame.

In the UK when a nutcase kills someone, the press hound social services
("How could you let this happen") and inevitably some poor functionary will
get sacked as a scapegoat. However, the reality of the matter is the nutter
was the bad person and the _only_ person to blame.

People really are strange.

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:06:27 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Keith wrote:

jfields@austininstruments.com says...

Graham is vehemently anti-American, as can be seen in his posts
which have nothing to do with US policy.

Yep! ...right down to the way local school districts run their
school buses. He knows all.

It seems Americans are too stupid to even consider the concept of double decker
buses if you need to move more ppl than fit in a single deck one !

---
We prefer multiple single-decker buses because in case of an
accident fewer kids will get hurt.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[T Wake]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 03:46:30 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



Jim Thompson wrote:

kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
Gordon <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote:
"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message

Clinton was successful.

Bush is a failure.

Unless you assume some really bad things about his motives that is.

9/11 was Bush's failure.

How long had Bush been in office when 9/11 occurred? Who was in
office the 8 years before that?

He was in office for just about 8 months adn for just about 8 months,
he
had the Clinton admins advice for going after OBL and ignored it.
Clinton
tried to get OBL and failed Bush did not try.

How many times has Clinton pointed and wagged his finger at the media?

(1) "I did not have sex with that woman."

(2) "I _tried_ to get OBL...", just recently interviewed by Chris
Wallace.

Sounds like the sign of the liar to me ;-)

...Jim Thompson

That's because you're a prick.

And anyway many American kids today think they're being chaste as long as
they
don't have vaginal sex. You ppl are truly weird.

Graham


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=408249&in_page_id=1770


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=408249&in_page_id=1770

Are you a ten-percent-er?

Entertainingly, most of the comments seem to come from Americans.

I especially like this one:

"Agreed. Finally abstinance is being taught and encouraged in American
schools. Things are actually starting to look up morally here, at least
where I live. Girls who "fool around" are really looked down upon and almost
shunned in my school. Because of that we really don't have a problem.

- Danny Dymarkowski, Archbold Ohio"

I am going to laugh about that for days.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:27:37 GMT, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com>
wrote:

In article <ujmai25qup9o2org7nuj0lua75hdd6soa4@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:07:36 GMT, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com
wrote:

In article <M9cVg.51603$E67.40698@clgrps13>,
"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kurtullman-25F347.08023505102006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.m
x..
.

And what percentage of Americans have ever been further than Canada or
Mexico? Or have even left their own state?

Ever watch Jay Leno?

Yep that certainly meets my criteria for a well-done population
study....

Jay Leno: "Which two countries border the United States?"

Girl on the Street: "Ummm, errr, ahhh, Europe and ummm, Paris?"

Yep, that's an American all right. Like those who think Alaska is an
island.

Yep I am impressed how one girl on the street can then be reliably
used as an exemplar for 300 million or so people. When do you go to
Norway?

We're not expected to be at 300 million until next week ;-)

...Jim Thompson
Thus the "or so". Anal retentives abound around here (g).

Couldn't resist. It was in the EV Tribune this morning "Count Down to
300M".

...Jim Thompson
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[T Wake]

"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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I look forward to the arrest of US citizens by the British Police for
running
'extreme' porn sites when and if the new law comes into force in that
case.

That would be what? Pictures of people fucking with the lights on?

If 5 seconds of tit makes their heads explode I'm sure the Cheney party
would be happy to deport pornographers.

Imagine the impact on the US economy with out all those porn companies and
websites......

 

[Eeyore]

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:52:13 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
Gordon <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote:
"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message

Clinton was successful.

Bush is a failure.

Unless you assume some really bad things about his motives that is.

9/11 was Bush's failure.

How long had Bush been in office when 9/11 occurred? Who was in
office the 8 years before that?

He was in office for just about 8 months adn for just about 8 months, he
had the Clinton admins advice for going after OBL and ignored it. Clinton
tried to get OBL and failed Bush did not try.

How many times has Clinton pointed and wagged his finger at the media?

(1) "I did not have sex with that woman."

(2) "I _tried_ to get OBL...", just recently interviewed by Chris
Wallace.

Sounds like the sign of the liar to me ;-)

...Jim Thompson

That's because you're a prick.

And anyway many American kids today think they're being chaste as long as they
don't have vaginal sex. You ppl are truly weird.

Graham

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=408249&in_page_id=1770

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=408249&in_page_id=1770

Are you a ten-percent-er?

John

Why don't you say exactly what you mean ?

Graham

Sorry. I thought I did.

John

No you didn't. What do you mean by a "ten percenter" ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

What we want is an economically competitive planet with all nations
at peace and capable of determining their own futures.
Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be everyone's goal.
Fortunately, we're the cops.

No. You're the playground bullies.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Kurt Ullman wrote:

So, we just all capitulate and become Muslim states?

Since when was that an option ?

You really shouldn't give so much credence to what a few thousand ppl say they
want.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:48:37 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> Gave us:

...are part of
the great Islamic quest for world domination....



What is so great about it?

Learn reading and comprehension. Great does not always mean "good."

 

[Eeyore]

Keith wrote:

In article <45244E9E.D8DD822E@hotmail.com>,
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...

What do you think about the Vincennes shooting down an Iranian Airbus then ?

Successful missile test?

How about proof of American sailors being trigger happy dickheads ?

The simple fact that you can make a joke out of the mass slaughter of innocent ppl
is one reason why the rest of the world looks at the USA in incredulity.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

<lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <gvTUg.51409$E67.10236@clgrps13>,
"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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Which criticism was unacceptable?

I don't understand you people; first you complain that he can't
think for himself; then, you object when he expresses his opinion about
something.

You can't have it both ways.

Can too.

Criticizing Bush for his lack of thought is really criticizing Bush.

Criticizing Bush for his 'thoughts' is really criticizing Cheney.

All this rhetoric is a very nice way to ignore the existence
of a national threat.

Which one would that be, the dangers of driving on the nation's highways?
That's at least 3 orders of magnitude greater of a real threat to every
person in the country than is terrorism.

As I said previously, I get this almost daily. The media have managed to
create a massive, disproportionate, threat from terrorism.

It would be quite impressive if it wasn't so annoying.

 

[Eeyore]

Jim Thompson wrote:

You must be a Democrat.

So when does the new Civil War start ?

At least it'll keep you jerks out of everyone else's hair.

Graham

 

"Keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
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In article <ZUVUg.13317$7I1.10123@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
lucasea@sbcglobal.net says...

"Keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
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In article <IjTUg.51404$E67.14436@clgrps13>, nobody@nowhere.com
says...

"Keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
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Phones (of the domestic type, anyway) aren't tapped without
warrant. Get with the program.

Uhh...then why does even the White House refer to this as the
"warrantless
wiretap" program?

They do? I thought that was Dan Blather's (et. al.) name.

Maybe, but at the very least, I've seen Tony Snow use it since he went to
the White House. I think I've heard Bush use it in a speech--I can't be
certain about that, but I am certain about Tony Snow.

And who cares if the phone that's tapped is in another
country. If it is able to listen to something going on in a living room
in
the US, then it is *domestic* surveillance.

NO, it is not. It is foreign intelligence.

Then why does the Supreme Court disagree with you? You so arrogant that you
think you know Constitutional law better than the justices on the Supreme
Court? Why is Bush trying to get Congress to pass legislation to legalize
it, when we already have FISA?

Let me ask you a question.... FISA sets up courts and has a system
whereby
the NSA can get warrants within a certain number of hours after a tap is
used.

Nope. not good enough. If the call is suspect it can't wait a
"certain number of hours". The value is gone by the time they can
call a FISA judge.

No, nice try at a strawman, but it has nothing to do with what I'm saying
and what is provided for in FISA. Read carefully. The NSA has a certain
number of hours (I believe it is 72 hours) *after* they listen in on the the
call to file for a post facto warrant. They don't have to have the warrant
before they listen in, they just have to get one afterwards. By the time
they get the warrant, they've already gotten the information by listening to
the call. No value gone, just a record kept of the surveillance, and
accountability to somebody besides their own "good will". It was a
well-thought out Act, until the Adminimstration chose to ignore it. You
might want to read up on it sometime.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Quoting US Code TITLE 50 > Chapter 36 > Subchapter I > 1805 Issuance of
Order:

(f) Emergency orders
Notwithstanding any other provision of this subchapter, when the Attorney
General reasonably determines that-
(1) an emergency situation exists with respect to the employment of
electronic surveillance to obtain foreign intelligence information before an
order authorizing such surveillance can with due diligence be obtained; and
(2) the factual basis for issuance of an order under this subchapter to
approve such surveillance exists;
he may authorize the emergency employment of electronic surveillance if a
judge having jurisdiction under section 1803 of this title is informed by
the Attorney General or his designee at the time of such authorization that
the decision has been made to employ emergency electronic surveillance and
if an application in accordance with this subchapter is made to that judge
as soon as practicable, but not more than 72 hours after the Attorney
General authorizes such surveillance.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Me again. So all they have to do is have the puppy-dog Gonzales have a
standing emergency request with the FISA court for emergency surveillance,
and have it renewed every 72 hours. Then they can file for a warrant any
time in the particular 72 hour window they happen to be in, even if it is
*after* they have already eavesdropped on a call. Got it? Or do you even
care about the facts?

Eric Lucas

 

[Eeyore]

Jim Thompson wrote:

You must be a Democrat, you're so ignorant.

And you're what exactly ?

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:27:53 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
nobody@nowhere.com> Gave us:


"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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Now you are a stalker?


Jeez. A remark like that proves that you are a complete idiot.

Going from discussion to trying to find personal identification? Pretty
much
the definition.


This is Usenet, dumbass. "Finger" and many other trace utilities
have been around for decades as well as the right to utilize them.

So what?

You have the right to be gay. Are you?

If you were any more clueless, you'd be the definition of
something... RETARDEDNESS.

Wow. Cutting. Witty. Funny. Brilliant.

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Graham was pooh-poohing Gordon's claim that there's a process going
on to end terrorism, and I was pointing out that Graham has no clue
about what's being done in secret, just like most of the rest of us.

You have to be mad to think "anything is going on in secret" except more
stupidity.

Why else would the USA be blundering from one failure to the next ?

Graham