Jihad needs scientists

[John Fields]

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:22:23 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:13:10 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:

"The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your poor, your
tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's
yelling, 'You want a piece of me?'" — Robin Williams.

I can see how that would appeal to your violent nature.

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All of your holier-than-thou "You're violent and I'm not." rhetoric
is interesting in that you have a perpetual chip on your shoulder
and are little more than a troublemaker.

I suggest you simply inspect what you write objectively.


Statements like your "The
real Demon is Israel." certainly don't sound like they're designed
to decrease discord, do they?

Until more ppl see that truth, terrorism in the Middle East will continue
to flourish. After all, the State of Israel was founded on terrorism
itself. That's historical fact.

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It's not a truth, but it's a typical anti-Semitic remark scurrilous
Jew-hating cowards like you try to slip in surreptitiously (plant a
seed, as it were.) while pretending to authority.

England, the US, and every other country in the world that has had
to fight for its existence was founded on terrorism or caused to
come into existence because of terrorism.

So what? Today's terrorist is tomorrow's statesman, as someone else
already pointed out.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[John Larkin]

On 5 Oct 2006 09:21:24 GMT, Robert Latest <boblatest@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:41:27 -0700,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
in Msg. <k4a8i29r7fefoc7u4d8ja0k5psaubo2s76@4ax.com

The history of Europe is the history of war. The earliest Greek
writings that survive are tales of war. Europe has been at war for
most of the last 3000 years,

The history of the US is no less war-ridden than that of Europe except
that it is much shorter. This is as unfair a comparison as that between
a single nation (the US) with only two borders and a not very
well-defined conglomerate of dozens of nations and cultures (Europe).

I made no comparison, much less an unfair one. But sure, I guess we
are sort of young to have a Hundred Years War.

culminating in the "total war" of the
20th century, killing tens of millions of non-combattants, surely the
largest-scale terrorism in world history.

I entirely and heartily agree, but I'm surprised to hear that from you.
If I were in your position I'd be careful when labeling acts of war as
terrorism. You're running the risk of having to call American aggression
terrorism, and we sure want to avoid that association.

I'm interested in forces and history. I have no emotional investment
in arguing that the US is any better or any worse than Europe or China
or anywhere else. I was born in the USA by accident and take no credit
for that or "pride" in being an American. I do enjoy it, though, and
I'm glad I'm here, now.

But I consider trerrorism to be attacking non-combattant populations
for political/emotional/morale reasons, which both sides did in WWII
and I don't think the US is doing deliberately at present.

It was the American occupation, Pax Americana, that enforced 60 years
of peace in Europe for the first time in millennia.

That statement is about as true as saying that it was the Soviet regime
that enforced those decades of peace. The only thing that kept things
quiet in Europe was the fear of both the US and the USSR to get wiped
off the face of the planet should they try anything stupid. That period
is commonly referred to as the "Cold War", not "Peace".

The Cold War certainly helped hold western Europe together, and
supressed the latent anti-Americanism until the Soviet empire
collapsed and the Europeans felt they didn't need us any more.

John

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <6DbVg.51587$E67.26567@clgrps13>,
"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

"Keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f8ef43ad604286c989d8f@News.Individual.NET...

Rape, perjury, suborning perjury, are "ridiculously small" charges
My, you live in a different world.

You are confusing Clinton with the Republicans - they're the ones now seen
as committing rape, perjury and suborning perjury.

Bill looked for volunteers.
Of course he did. Of course all the "volunteers" from Little Rock

forward were employees of whereever he was working at the time.
Haven't seen anything that indicates rape or perjury, yet.

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:51:39 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Gordon wrote:

I am convinced that the process which is currently under way will
achieve the outcome you specify, but it won't happen quickly.

There is no *process*. It's just a jumbled mess ! There has been ZERO thought about
what we're doing.

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LOL, you think that because you're in the dark as to what's going on
behind closed doors that nothing's being done? That's gotta be
pretty close to penultimate arrogance.

You're trying to suggest that there's some method to this madness.

No. I don't believe that for one second.

---
Of course you don't. If you don't know about it it couldn't
possibly exist, could it?
---

Bush and his ilk are American supremacists pure
and simple.

---
More of your garbage opinion.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:53:31 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:21:44 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

This mess is about changing a mindset; either Western civilization's
mindset is changed or religious extremists' mindset is changed.

I agree completely.

How about removing the either and replacing the or with and ?

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Unless that led to convergence, why would that guarantee cessation
of hostilities?

The solution is the willingness to look for common ground and to
build a mutually respectful relationship around that island.

So where do bombs and guns fit into this ?

---
Old enmities on both sides make the willingness to try to find
common ground difficult.



--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"Keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f8ef7a64499f172989d95@News.Individual.NET...

Nope. not good enough. If the call is suspect it can't wait a
"certain number of hours". The value is gone by the time they can
call a FISA judge.

Apparently you can't read. They have 72 hours to notify the FISA court that
they have done it, AFTER they have done it.

The complaint now is that they refuse to record what they did and then have
it logged to a secret court. That is troubling.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:fk8ai2hhr2q700qcpmdb499i7i7sga8gpc@4ax.com...

You sure are exhibiting your inability to read. You must be a
Democrat.

So the Republicans can't read, hear or comprehend?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

<jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
news:eg2m1h$8qk_001@s829.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...

The Constitution already curtails powers of all three branches.
People do not mean control of Congress. For some strange reason,
people are using the human being named Bush as the reason for
all the world's ails. I keep tracing this bizarre thinking back
to the new Democrats who have not stopped campaigning for the 2004
elections. One would think that the platform that lost them that
election would be examined and changed.

Say what? The Democrats got way more real votes, but the Republicans had a
better system for cheating.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4524DBAC.D9161B4D@hotmail.com...

We were much nicer to our enemy aliens.

" At the outbreak of war there were around 80,000 potential enemy aliens
in
Britain who, it was feared, could be spies, or willing to assist Britain's
enemies in the event of an invasion. All Germans and Austrians over the
age
of 16 were called before special tribunals and were divided into one of
three groups:
'A' - high security risks, numbering just under 600, who were immediately
interned;
'B' - 'doubtful cases', numbering around 6,500, who were supervised and
subject to restrictions;
'C' - 'no security risk', numbering around 64,000, who were left at
liberty. More than 55,000 of category 'C' were recognised as refugees from
Nazi oppression. The vast majority of these were Jewish. "

The US also helped round up Jews in S America and send them back to the
Nazis. They were enemy aliens you see.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"Keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f8ef7d3bba78e30989d96@News.Individual.NET...

It seems Americans are too stupid to even consider the concept of double
decker
buses if you need to move more ppl than fit in a single deck one !

See folks" He is _that_ stupid.

Sure. Everyone knows that Americans are so fat they need a double wide bus
not a double height.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"Keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f8ef9c516e66c8c989d99@News.Individual.NET...

Bush was warned repeatedly OBL was a threat. He ignored them. Read
Woodward's book.

Why? It's in the fiction section.

How desperate and sad you are.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:00:08 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Robert Latest wrote:

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.]
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:41:27 -0700,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
in Msg. <k4a8i29r7fefoc7u4d8ja0k5psaubo2s76@4ax.com

The history of Europe is the history of war. The earliest Greek
writings that survive are tales of war. Europe has been at war for
most of the last 3000 years,

The history of the US is no less war-ridden than that of Europe except
that it is much shorter. This is as unfair a comparison as that between
a single nation (the US) with only two borders and a not very
well-defined conglomerate of dozens of nations and cultures (Europe).

Considering how the USA treated its indigenous ppl, I'm appalled that
mention should even be made of the history of war.

Appalled that actual historical events should be studied and
mentioned, because some other bad stuff happened somewhere else? Your
reaction suggests a schoolyard-level battle over who is right and
wrong, which sort of thing should be above people over the age of 16.

If you want to get snippy, consider this: there are several times more
Native Americans alive now, in the USA, than there were when Columbus
landed in the Americas. And there is a tiny fraction of the Jews
living in Germany than there were in 1935.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 05 Oct 06 09:43:44 GMT, lparker@emory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

The military commissions part. Bush tried to claim Gitmo was outside the
federal courts' jurisdiction. The courts all rejected that.

Good. Sticking to principles is the best thing, in the long run.

BTW, the SCotUS is not superior to any other branch, or at least is
not supposed to be. They've been told before "with what army are
you going to enforce your decision".

I don't think any other branch of government has ever defied the
Supremes, which is remarkable clout for "nine old men."

John

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Lloyd Parker wrote:

First, we don't know that. Secondly, when did the 4th amendment get repealed
for an American citizen calling, say, France?

France? This is an American! You stink! (France) Who's that on the
line. (American) Ignore them, they always monitor my overseas calls.
;-)


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:04:12 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Lloyd Parker wrote:

In article <eg2ouk$8qk_007@s829.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

A lot of this anti-US fervor started with Democrat Presidential
candidates trying out their sound bytes in 2002-2004 in Europe.

/BAH
OH BS. It started with Bush invading another nation.

Correct. I didn't really give a damn before.

Graham

So, seriously: why do you care now?

John

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:ros9i2tlko096r3d7cr9usjfl8f0kg25oe@4ax.com...

Going from discussion to trying to find personal identification? Pretty
much
the definition.

This is Usenet, dumbass. "Finger" and many other trace utilities
have been around for decades as well as the right to utilize them.

If you were any more clueless, you'd be the definition of
something... RETARDEDNESS.

Many people write letters to the editor of the local paper. Few try to go to
the address of the writers. Those few are stalkers.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

<jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
news:eg2p1f$8qk_008@s829.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...

Criticizing Bush for his lack of thought is really criticizing Bush.

Criticizing Bush for his 'thoughts' is really criticizing Cheney.

All this rhetoric is a very nice way to ignore the existence
of a national threat.

The Powerball?

If you drive one mile to a store and buy a Powerball ticket then drive one
mile back home you are seven times more likely to be killed in an auto
accident during the two mile drive than to win the Powerball.

You need to have a realistic idea of real risks. I have seen a claim that
you are more likely to be killed as a tourist in San Francisco than in
Cairo, Egypt. True?

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:11:50 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message

The insurgent isn't automatically a terrorist.

It is a viewpoint issue. Were the July train bombers in London insurgents or
terrorists?

Definitely terrorists. Not insurgents in any organised way.

Are Iraqis who plant carbombs in Iraq insurgents or terrorists?
What about Palestinians who strap P4 to their chests and detonate at an
Israeli checkpoint?

Probably both.

And the French resistance ?

Graham

The French resistance, what there was of it, didn't blow up French
kids and women in churches. The Iraqui insurgents are mostly killing
civilian Iraquis.

John

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <GObVg.51595$E67.42301@clgrps13>,
"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
news:eg2m1h$8qk_001@s829.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...

The Constitution already curtails powers of all three branches.
People do not mean control of Congress. For some strange reason,
people are using the human being named Bush as the reason for
all the world's ails. I keep tracing this bizarre thinking back
to the new Democrats who have not stopped campaigning for the 2004
elections. One would think that the platform that lost them that
election would be examined and changed.

Say what? The Democrats got way more real votes, but the Republicans had a
better system for cheating.

Interesting because all of the FL precincts that had troubles were in
Counties where the Dems had majorities on the election boards. Also,
despite the demonizing of the Secretary of State, they only have
authority to okay machines when used. Which machines and how the ballots
are set-up is entirely in the hands of the locals.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:03:13 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

It's what Bush has done to America that's horrible. It's brought the very
worst out in eveyone there. It was fine under Clinton.

No. It was not fine at all.

It looked a heck of a lot better to me and least he was an intelligent and
articulate man, something that could never be said of Bush.

Of course he was articulate. Many sociopaths are.

John