Jihad needs scientists

[John Fields]

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:07:58 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

Reputedy Mohammed went a little ga-ga in his later years. Anyway, show me
a religious text that*isn't*
riddled with contradictions.

They're all really just books of magic spells anyway.

---
No, they're not. They're survival manuals.

That's a very strange idea.

---
Think about it for a while.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:46:01 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:8ul7i2tptqn5om35j2t0d0b41uskhlu89e@4ax.com...

Piracy is still a hanging offence.

LOL! And who's going to do the hanging, pray tell?

Might is Right?

---
Sometimes.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[Eeyore]

Homer J Simpson wrote:

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message

I'm saying that if someone threatens their fundamental freedoms, the
British public will defend them.

Hopefully.

I grow less and less sure of this as I watch public debate each day.

A mistake Hitler made. He read reports of pacifist debates in the UK and
assumed they were a guide to the lack of response to be expected during an
attack on Britain.

The British Air Force response showed him the error of his ways.

The Royal Air Force to be entirely accurate but yes, we were certainly far
from unready. In fact Britain's armaments industry had been working hard in
the years preceding WW2 to make the planes ( and other stuff ) we knew we
were going to need.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:ckd8i2d471ak7j75nlcnugpbk8j5th89v6@4ax.com...

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:06:05 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:24:11 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ever wondered why it [international terrorism] happens to the USA
most btw ?

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Nope. Losers want to blame everyone but themselves for their
predicaments and, so, take shots at the champ in an attemp to try to
convince themselves that they're not impotent.

Let me explain then.

It becasue America pokes its nose into stuff that's none of its business
all the time and just generally likes to kick the little guys around.

---
Translation:

Because America has the wherewithal and the will to do whatever it
wants to, and all the little guys resent that.

Do Americans have a word for Bullying?

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:11:29 GMT, "Homer J Simpson" wrote:
"Gordon" <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote

Where did the current terrorism financing and materials come
from?

From the USA (oil). Unlike most every other conflict, the US is paying for
both sides in this one.

---
I've always thought it would be interesting to see what would happen
if the US sent troops to, say, Honduras to protect them from
Guatemala and to Nicaragua to protect them from Costa Rica, and then
Honduras and Nicaragua decided to declare war on each other.

All you ever think of is war.

Graham

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <peb8i2lf4af0irq171tqukscc9n0lec541@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:51:21 GMT, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com
wrote:

In article <HLVUg.13315$7I1.5654@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


I don't care. If you're listening to a phone call to which the phone in
my
living room is party, then as a citizen of the US, I demand that your
listening be carried out according to my Constitutional rights.

Probably is. Under a warrant for a phone anything that goes on over
that phone is legally admissable, even if the other person's phone
doesn't have a warrant on it. It well settled that as long as one phone
is legally tapped, any phone that calls it or is called by it is fair
game. Since there are no restrictions on tapping a phone outside of the
country, it would be legal tap. Thus anyone the phone calls or anyone
who calls the phone could be listened to as noted. Would be a rather
interesting case to make.

And it varies state-by-state... it is legal in Arizona to record all
calls on your own phone, _without_ notifying the other party.

All I need to do is push a button ;-)

There are two different things going on here. One is what you can
do as private citizen, which in AZ is that all are fair game. But we
were talking about what goverment (be it under the mantel of cop-dom or
spook-dom) can do. Whole 'nother kettle of fish..

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <45242E4C.50137191@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Do you reckon Afghanistan under the Taliban considered itself modern ?

Certainly good indications that they thought they were modern

enough.

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:49:49 +0100, "T Wake"
<usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:8ft5i211dol6qj0uqbuo75l7bsr01uf60v@4ax.com...

---
Sometimes a crude allegory serves admirably in making a point
quickly.


On both sides of the debate....

---
Yes, but often the point made by the side with the crude allegory
overshadows the implicit admonition against political incorrectness
enjoyed, silently, by the other side.

That is, if that's what you had in mind.

If it isn't, and both sides revert to crude allegory, then the
psycholgy underlying the symbology can get very interesting.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <adKdneADy_ehrbnYRVnyiQ@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

It is good that you have these loopholes to circumvent civil liberties.

He is civilian not a cop. BIG difference.

 

[Eeyore]

T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

Israel can only 'win' by erasing Lebanon.

Is that what you want ?

What alternative do they have? Until the Palestinians and Arabs can accept
Israel's existence, Israel can not hold off on its defensive posture.

Do you advocate Israel surrender?

Many Arab nations have sorted this one out. We really do need to bash the
Israeli and Palestinian heads together.

Whilst Israel continues to get a blank cheque from the USA it's not going to
happen of course.

Graham

 

[John Fields]

On 04 Oct 2006 18:50:15 GMT, "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@aon.at>
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

The USA is the most two-faced nation on the planet. You regularly
back one side then declare war on them.

It's almost terrible there. Sorry to say that, but I would not go
there. Only if I could beam directly into a Indianer reservate, but
even there you can have troubles with subn-glasses Police. (e.g.
tobacco problem)

Kind regards,

Daniel Mandic

---
Mandic ? I don't think so...


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <3v-dnToicYfirLnYnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

Nope, public debate - granted most of that is what the media show. I am not
for one second suggesting chat shows or vox pop news is completely
indicative of public opinion - however, the media needs to get
listeners/viewers/readers so generally the opinions expressed _are_
representative.

I would argue with this (yet again, my friend). They are only

representative of what a certain segment of the population, and a
relatively small one at that, is willing to listen, read or watch. The
evening news hours get only about 25 million on average out of around
300 million people. Cable gets less. 1/10 people ins't representative.
If anything BIG declines in TV News veiwership over the years, at
least in the US, would indicate that the representative view is probably
elsewhere or why would be people be leaving in droves?

Our reactions to things are an example of public fear. The nonsense that
goes on at Airports is a shocking example of how people would rather be
messed around to "feel" safe, than actually institute effective security
measures.

When we all have to carry ID cards I will know the "war" is indeed over.

... or just beginning...

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:52:37 GMT, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com>
wrote:

In article <peb8i2lf4af0irq171tqukscc9n0lec541@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:51:21 GMT, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com
wrote:

In article <HLVUg.13315$7I1.5654@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


I don't care. If you're listening to a phone call to which the phone in
my
living room is party, then as a citizen of the US, I demand that your
listening be carried out according to my Constitutional rights.

Probably is. Under a warrant for a phone anything that goes on over
that phone is legally admissable, even if the other person's phone
doesn't have a warrant on it. It well settled that as long as one phone
is legally tapped, any phone that calls it or is called by it is fair
game. Since there are no restrictions on tapping a phone outside of the
country, it would be legal tap. Thus anyone the phone calls or anyone
who calls the phone could be listened to as noted. Would be a rather
interesting case to make.

And it varies state-by-state... it is legal in Arizona to record all
calls on your own phone, _without_ notifying the other party.

All I need to do is push a button ;-)

There are two different things going on here. One is what you can
do as private citizen, which in AZ is that all are fair game. But we
were talking about what goverment (be it under the mantel of cop-dom or
spook-dom) can do. Whole 'nother kettle of fish..

Of course. But I can record and then hand over to the government, no
sweat, no warrant, nada.

...Jim Thompson
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[Michael A. Terrell]

Keith wrote:

In article <4523D85F.43BBD99C@earthlink.net>,
mike.terrell@earthlink.net says...
Jim Thompson wrote:

I should know shortly what low-life job Eric has at Battelle... my
guess is janitor ;-)


Are you sure they would give him that much responsibility?

Keys to the place?

--
Keith

No. Control of the toilet paper.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4523D85F.43BBD99C@earthlink.net...
Jim Thompson wrote:

I should know shortly what low-life job Eric has at Battelle... my
guess is janitor ;-)


Are you sure they would give him that much responsibility?


It is interesting that instead of disagreeing with Eric's comments and
explaining why, the general response has been to criticise his imagined work
status.

Nothing I have seen in this thread seems to relate to his job and he has not
claimed professional authority based on his employment so what, on Earth,
does his job matter?

Unless this really is a pathetic attempt to "one up" on someone you think is
in a lower paid / less "exalted" job. If it is, you really should be ashamed
of yourselves.

Yawn. You invade our newsgroup with crossposted bullshit, then you
want to set the rules? Forget it.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Daniel Mandic]

John Larkin wrote:

It was the American occupation, Pax Americana, that enforced 60 years
of peace in Europe for the first time in millennia.

Spin that!

John

You are numbering....


Everyone knows about 50 years. Who is the 10 years?

Peace? Crap. Maybe bez of some Na... O.K. But they were always
outnumbered, also by the nearest (gen-crap bla bla). Graf Ritter von
Starhemberg, for example may be called a central-european, with genes of
seven million years successful human-generation. They saw so much,
ice-ages, everything. The World is not turning for Us, it's turning
with us. And U.S. is not us.



In the next fourty years!? HA, you will not await... only when
enforcing. And then it will not be called America, indeed. Just
'World', in the English Language for example.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

Eeyore wrote:

That was how the Stasi worked wasn't it ?

Graham

Hmmm, I guess to over-paranoic patriots, forgetting that they already
acting like neo-na....


The situation is getinng better.... erm.







I htink cpmouters are not made to apart people from another. That would
be contrary to the name COM - puter. (I don't know if commands are
communication, yet. :-|)

But although, if the Computer puts my COM for further processing, it
would be interesting to know, what the observer would like to put to my
COM (from him/her) puter - Monitor.
I know only about the fact, using Computers to conversate to other
machines, via the COM port. But that's a Right/Left-Right/Left
communication.
For two people it works, Right/Left-Left/Right and vice versa, of
course. (Right=Computer, Left=Human)



Kind regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <45243BFD.9C297BE5@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Many Arab nations have sorted this one out. We really do need to bash the
Israeli and Palestinian heads together.
Egypt definitely. Can't really think of another, though. Anyone?

Whilst Israel continues to get a blank cheque from the USA it's not going to
happen of course.

As long as the Palestinians and others keep attacking Israel.

Israel was giving back land and moving out some areas and making moves
until Hizbolah began firing off rockets, etc. Same old same old.

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
T Wake wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
T Wake wrote:

If westerners are more concerned with staying alive than having their
freedoms eventually they will convert and the conflict will end.

Why would they ever convert and why do you even consider that this is what
it's about ?

Because this is the simplistic example.

They would convert because, as the example said, they are more concerned
with staying alive than remaining free.

You wouldn't catch me doing it. I believe in the right to practice no religion
at all !

---
They don't, so you'd be dead, silly boy.

Since it's not going to happen it's hypothetical.

Graham

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <lef8i2prust90bdlna6vmp1r0h9p7a7a95@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Of course. But I can record and then hand over to the government, no
sweat, no warrant, nada.

Plenty of sweat. Any half-way sentient defense attorney is going

to try and suggest you were acting as an agent of the cops in a rather
blatant attempt to circumvent the rights of my poor, misunderstood
client who killed those 25 people because he overdosed on twinkies.
Might actually make the case. Seen it happen often enough.