Jihad needs scientists

[John Fields]

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:00:18 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Homer J Simpson wrote:
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote

Not sure anyone has. Off the top of my head I cant think of any long
term
success against terrorists.

British in Malaysia?

British in Kenya.

Same deal. There were some horrendous atrocities but they were far enough
from the public eye to pass unnoticed for years.

The real atrocities were black on black btw.


The hearts and minds with the population did the trick.

As it has often done for the British Army but the US version has fucked that
up for sure.

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You're talking about a bygone era where we both shared winning
hearts and minds.

This is now, where the rules are a little different. Are you making
any friends in Iraq that we aren't? You do still have a presence
there, don't you?


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[Eeyore]

Homer J Simpson wrote:

"Keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message

Phones (of the domestic type, anyway) aren't tapped without
warrant. Get with the program.

How would you ever know?

Does Echelon need a warrant ?

Graham

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:02:59 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
T Wake wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
T Wake wrote:

Despite their current protestations, the other political parties were
largely behind the conflicts.

No. The Liberal Democrats were against it

Well, not massively.

" The Liberal Democrats opposed UK participation in the 2003 Iraq war
prior to
the conflict, but stated that they would support UK forces that had been
ordered
to fight while it was taking place. After the initial military action was
completed, they renewed their political opposition."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democrats

As I said, not massively. Wiki is not an infalliable resource. I lived in
London at the time of the invasion. There was little in the way of political
dissent for the invasion. The liberals, wet as ever, made some wimpers about
waiting but that was about it.

That's not my recollection.

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Selective recall, perhaps?
---

You need to stop reading too much implied criticism where there isnt any.

There's been *loads* !

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You need to start paying more attention to what T Wake is saying
instead of trying to one-up him with your cutesy little
interjections.


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John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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The British were asked to help take out Hitler before WWII and refused.
Big mistake, since no heir would have been as bad.

No way of knowing that for sure. Hitler's insanity contributed heavily to
his forces defeats. If they had a competent, sane, commander in chief it
may have gone differently.

When they looked at Goebbels, Himmler et al they couldn't find one crazy
enough to attack Poland and France let alone Russia.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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I'm saying that if someone threatens their fundamental freedoms, the
British public will defend them.

Hopefully.

I grow less and less sure of this as I watch public debate each day.

A mistake Hitler made. He read reports of pacifist debates in the UK and
assumed they were a guide to the lack of response to be expected during an
attack on Britain.

The British Air Force response showed him the error of his ways.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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No, they're not. They're survival manuals.

Cool. Do they tell you which plants you can eat in the jungle? That has
always impressed me in the survival books.

No. They tell you that the Jews hated the people of Sodom and Gomorrah
because they wouldn't let the Jewish tribes into their nice cities (where
the Jews would probably have stolen them blind) and that God must have sent
the earthquake to destroy them.

Survival or dumb luck?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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That is a problem, but even 4 nukes would total the US medical care
system. What would a couple do to Iran, say?

Not kill a high proportion of terrorists.

You'd also have to take out most of Africa, Europe, Latin America and
portions of CONUS.

I am sure the survivors would be happy though, and if they keep the
species going long enough for the radiation to drop to habitable levels,
the planet will be sparsely populated enough to avoid wars for quite some
time.

But the oil would be fine.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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Do any countries see themselves as backward? (Or any countries see them
selves as not "modern")

Not Kazakhstan it seems!

 

[T Wake]

<jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <uaEUg.11168$6S3.1521@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <DReUg.28$45.71@news.uchicago.edu>,
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <9n22i2tv97gi1nu17cif4u0nlj2el109nf@4ax.com>, JoeBloe
joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> writes:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:24:57 GMT, mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu Gave us:

In article <4520D8A3.4083F074@hotmail.com>, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> writes:

Al Qaeda wasn't really known about prior to 9/11 so your point is
moot.

Al Queda was known for at least a decade before 9/11. "Not paid
attention to" is not the same thing as "not known". And Al Queda
itself is just an offshot of earlier movements.

Why even converse with that stupid idiot?

Good question.

Because the content of his posts are a catalyst for real
discussions that aren't getting done in the usual mediums.

Kind of a nice change of pace, isn't it?

Well, I'd like to have a few less crapolas posts so I can find
the ones were posted by thoughtful people.

Reasonable enough wish, although it carries the risk that you only read
posts which say things you already agree with.... Always seems kind of
pointless to me.

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:04:21 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:19:16 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

There is no possibilty ever of Islam being forced on any of us.

You're a stupendously cretinous fool to even imagine it.

If I can imagine it, it can happen,

Don't be so utterly ridiculous !

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LOL, you really haven't gotten much farther along than "See Spot
run." have you?


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[T Wake]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote..

That's very hypothetical but I reckon I'd fight against any tyranny
suppressing important freedoms.

Aha, you only defend "Important" freedoms. Ok.

It was meant to be emphasis about *fighting*.

Ok, but fighting takes lots of forms. For example, if we ever descended into
a state of panic about Mosques (as used in the tongue in cheek examples
earlier on) I would do everything I could to defend the rights of others to
be Muslim. If a law was passed outlawing that religion, I would convert.

(extreme, satirical examples).

 

[Daniel Mandic]

T Wake wrote:

If it was an honest question, then sorry for jumping to a conclusion
and "Yes" is the only answer. Even in poor, constantly invaded
Poland, Polish was their first language. Your implication that
Russian would take the place of English is not supported by history.

Polish Knights (probably Paladins), helped to protect us from violent
Turkish inavaders. In the year ~MCD


Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:10:21 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:01:40 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



John Fields wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:11:54 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <4520C55D.7B2F988C@hotmail.com>, Eeyore writes:

You need to do some reading. OBL for example.

I'm doing my reading. It is your reading that appears quite
superficial. Try following memri.org for a while, and that's just
for
starters.

I see they mention the Muslim Brotherhood. They're the ppl you really
should be scared about. Not >Islam
generally.

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Probably _you_ should be afraid. I don't think they've forgotten
the Crusades yet.

Afraid of what exactly ?

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Convert or die.


Which is most important to you, your life or your way of life?

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Interesting question.

For me, it would depend on the situation.

Really? I dont see how.

Ultimately, though,
without life I'd have _no_ way of life, so I think clinging to life
would win out.

Then convert to Islam and live the rest of your life happy and peaceful.

The way I see it, everyone dies in the end. All I can do is try to ensure
those who live after me have the chances, freedoms and rights that I have
enjoyed. If I die sooner rather than later it makes no big difference in the
grand picture of things.

Isn't the saying something along the lines of "The man who sacrifices
freedom for life deserves neither and will have neither"? (or words to that
effect).

 

[T Wake]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:24:11 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ever wondered why it [international terrorism] happens to the USA
most btw ?

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Nope. Losers want to blame everyone but themselves for their
predicaments and, so, take shots at the champ in an attemp to try to
convince themselves that they're not impotent.

Let me explain then.

It becasue America pokes its nose into stuff that's none of its business
all the time and just generally likes to kick the little guys around.

More reasons than just that. American being rich and powerful doesn't help -
jealousy exists in all cultures.

 

[T Wake]

"JoeBloe" <joebloe@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:43:44 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> Gave us:



JoeBloe wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> Gave us:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

In article <Z_KUg.56$45.161@news.uchicago.edu>,
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Hence the problem. Basically, we we cannot disengage and we don't
dare to go all out. So, we're just coasting, waiting for something
horrific enough to happen to justify drastic means.

Yup. I've come to this conclusion. Mess prevention work cannot
begin until there's a really big mess to clean up. Women aren't
trained to work this way. Or at least the women of my generation.

What's it got to do with women specifically FFS ?

You ain't real bright, are ya, boy?

Let me see. You think that *real* Americans should use women just for
cleaning up messes ?

I can easily believe you're that retarded you sad piece of slime.


I knew that you were too stupid to get it and would make up some
lame analysis of it.

Here, I'll give you a hint. The person your lame ass was conversing
with is a woman, idiot.

Now... after you've stripped all your gears out backstepping through
the posts, you might get a clue as to what was meant.

Three whole paragraphs.

Did you need to take a shower after this post?

 

[Eeyore]

Daniel Mandic wrote:

Keith wrote:

Right. I don't believe in any laws WRT guns.

Hi Keith!

What does WRT mean?

It's an abbreviation for " with respect to ".

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"Keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
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In article <IjTUg.51404$E67.14436@clgrps13>, nobody@nowhere.com
says...

"Keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f8db6b8105f0bb9989d69@News.Individual.NET...

Phones (of the domestic type, anyway) aren't tapped without
warrant. Get with the program.

How would you ever know?

*You*don't know, so you assume thay are. Your tinfoil hat is
slipping.

You _don't_ know so you assume they aren't.

Interesting stand off. Have to hope the oversight committees have the same
level of constitutional values you do, but even if they don't you will never
know so the stand off continues.

 

[Eeyore]

Homer J Simpson wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message

As noted above, both of those individuals _did_ commit crimes in the
US and, as such, are subject to prosecution under US law.

So when the Ayatollahs send the religious police into the USA to arrest the
purveyors of porn you'll be fine with seeing thousands of US citizens
dragged off to Iran for death by stoning?

Extraterritorial law enforcement is a very dodgy thing indeed.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"Gordon" <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:16:58 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Keith wrote:

Meanwhile, the stuffed donkey will watch the documentary about the
wild west, "Blazing Saddles".

He should pay close attention to the scene where someone punches out
the horse.

Your American Love of Violence is once again nnoted.

Do you think that violence is the only way to 'win an argument' ?

Graham

Looking down the other end of the tunnel...it seems being passive
and compliant is a very sure way to lose an argument. Theodore
Roosevelt had things sorted out pretty well when he said, "Speak
softly and carry a big stick."

Damn Ghandi and his crazy ideas - not to mention that fool Jesus. Look at
how many arguments he lost in the long term.

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:11:29 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

"Gordon" <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote in message
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Where did the current terrorism financing and materials come
from?

From the USA (oil). Unlike most every other conflict, the US is paying for
both sides in this one.

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I've always thought it would be interesting to see what would happen
if the US sent troops to, say, Honduras to protect them from
Guatemala and to Nicaragua to protect them from Costa Rica, and then
Honduras and Nicaragua decided to declare war on each other.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer