Jetstar unveils thin client, BYO laptop vision

[Kwyjibo]

Hunter wrote:

keithr wrote:
On 7/09/2009 6:48 PM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Here is another, "I guess it had to happen sooner or later" story.

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26021336-15306,00.html

Throw out the existing IT department, BYO Latptop, and the company
issues a 16Gb memory stick with the company software on board.

Companies such as Jetstar, may do a free issue of the Laptop in the
first instance, but no IT team is needed for daily support.

If the Laptop breaks down, the memory stick is transferred to
another Laptop. They are really talking about under $800 netbooks
here. Slip it into your bag, and off to work we go. Hiho!! HiHo!!

Don...

Wyse? I thought that they were dead years ago, Fujitsu bought them.
Maybe someone has done a Lazarus on the name. The thin clients look
like we are heading back into the days of green screen terminals,
just with some fancy graphics built in.


Nope Wyse are still kicking, and whilst it's not up to a desktop PC it
ain't far off with current technology.

I'm currently implementing VMWare View where I work, and it's an
amazing technology. Delivers your work desktop to you where-ever you
happen to be with an internet connection, basically using a really
souped up RDP session (souped up to the point that the old horse and
cart is now more like a Lambaghini).

The actual RDP part is plain old Microsoft RDP. The only thing that's
different is that it incorporates Wyse TCX multimedia redirection.
Wait til you see PCoIP - It makes RDP with MMR look like an old donkey

Storage ain't a massive issue as it has a "gold image" which is
referenced by all users,

How many users are you talking about? You don't want too many users per
template, or read contention becomes an issue.


--
Kwyj.

 

[Kwyjibo]

Frank Slootweg wrote:

keithr <keithr@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
[...]
Wyse? I thought that they were dead years ago, Fujitsu bought them.
Maybe someone has done a Lazarus on the name. The thin clients look
like we are heading back into the days of green screen terminals,
just with some fancy graphics built in.

Yes, 'thin clients' are SO 19*80*'s! :-(

You clearly haven't seen any of the recent ones (<5 years old) then.

[...]

The notion of having a memory stick with all the software on it is a
bit suss though, the performance wouldn't exactly be startling.

The software does not have to *run* from the memory stick (only
'install'). Also *data* can be cached and synced.

It can run from the stick as well.


--
Kwyj.

 

[jonz]

Clocky wrote:

Rob wrote:
Bruce Varley wrote:
"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
news:7gjvnaF2pri09U1@mid.individual.net...
Here is another, "I guess it had to happen sooner or later" story.

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26021336-15306,00.html

Throw out the existing IT department, BYO Latptop, and the company
issues a 16Gb memory stick with the company software on board.

Companies such as Jetstar, may do a free issue of the Laptop in the
first instance, but no IT team is needed for daily support.

If the Laptop breaks down, the memory stick is transferred to
another Laptop. They are really talking about under $800 netbooks
here. Slip it into your bag, and off to work we go. Hiho!! HiHo!!

Don...


--
Don McKenzie

On a related topic, is anyone up with the current status of the govs
free laptops to schoolies program?


What ya want to know?

If handing out free laptops is going to improve the apalling level of
literacy in this country or add to it?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

prolly status quo......money down the drain. i think a large
percentage of so called "teachers" are only semi literate
themselves....the only advantage may be spell check..


--
jonz
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." - Gene
Spafford,1992

 

[Clocky]

.. wrote:

"Clocky" <nicetry@migo.com> wrote in message
news:002ea762$0$2893$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
Rob wrote:
Bruce Varley wrote:
"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
news:7gjvnaF2pri09U1@mid.individual.net...
Here is another, "I guess it had to happen sooner or later" story.

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26021336-15306,00.html

Throw out the existing IT department, BYO Latptop, and the company
issues a 16Gb memory stick with the company software on board.

Companies such as Jetstar, may do a free issue of the Laptop in
the first instance, but no IT team is needed for daily support.

If the Laptop breaks down, the memory stick is transferred to
another Laptop. They are really talking about under $800 netbooks
here. Slip it into your bag, and off to work we go. Hiho!! HiHo!!

Don...


--
Don McKenzie


On a related topic, is anyone up with the current status of the
govs free laptops to schoolies program?



What ya want to know?

If handing out free laptops is going to improve the apalling level of
literacy in this country or add to it?


Hi Gerry

Wasn`t A600`s handed out to you or others
at your school?

Not a chance, we had two Microbees and some ancient thing that read
punchcards ;-)

 

[Clocky]

blank wrote:

On a related topic, is anyone up with the current status of the
govs free laptops to schoolies program?



What ya want to know?

If handing out free laptops is going to improve the apalling level of
literacy in this country or add to it?

If so, get one. Appalling is one of the first words you should try
to learn to spell correctly. Wanker.

Clearly that was just a typo, but the question remains just as valid.

 

[David Segall]

Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

Don McKenzie wrote:

Here is another, "I guess it had to happen sooner or later" story.

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26021336-15306,00.html

Throw out the existing IT department, BYO Latptop, and the company
issues a 16Gb memory stick with the company software on board.

Companies such as Jetstar, may do a free issue of the Laptop in the
first instance, but no IT team is needed for daily support.

If the Laptop breaks down, the memory stick is transferred to another
Laptop. They are really talking about under $800 netbooks here.

Slip it into your bag, and off to work we go. Hiho!! HiHo!!

Don...



So, not such a good time to be working for Jetstar's internal IT
department then.

Not a good time to be working for Jetstar in general. The article
suggests that Jetstar expect you to own your own laptop. No doubt,
Jetstar will "help" you buy one. If you have had a suitable private
school education you will understand that they expect you to have your
own computer and that they are entitled to earn a commission when you
buy it
<http://www.mlcsyd.nsw.edu.au/public/our_facilities/laptop_support.cfm>.

 

[Frank Slootweg]

Kwyjibo <kwyjibo@ozdebate.remove.com> wrote:

Frank Slootweg wrote:
keithr <keithr@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
[...]
Wyse? I thought that they were dead years ago, Fujitsu bought them.
Maybe someone has done a Lazarus on the name. The thin clients look
like we are heading back into the days of green screen terminals,
just with some fancy graphics built in.

Yes, 'thin clients' are SO 19*80*'s! :-(

You clearly haven't seen any of the recent ones (<5 years old) then.

Yes I have, 'we' [1] also *made/make* them, as I said, since the
1980's.

The notion of having a memory stick with all the software on it is a
bit suss though, the performance wouldn't exactly be startling.

The software does not have to *run* from the memory stick (only
'install'). Also *data* can be cached and synced.

It can run from the stick as well.

Yes, of course it can, I was just addressing the - possible -
performance issue.

[1] HP

 

[Kwyjibo]

Frank Slootweg wrote:

Kwyjibo <kwyjibo@ozdebate.remove.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
keithr <keithr@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
[...]
Wyse? I thought that they were dead years ago, Fujitsu bought them.
Maybe someone has done a Lazarus on the name. The thin clients look
like we are heading back into the days of green screen terminals,
just with some fancy graphics built in.

Yes, 'thin clients' are SO 19*80*'s! :-(

You clearly haven't seen any of the recent ones (<5 years old) then.

Yes I have, 'we' [1] also *made/make* them, as I said, since the
1980's.

[...]

The notion of having a memory stick with all the software on it is
a bit suss though, the performance wouldn't exactly be startling.

The software does not have to *run* from the memory stick (only
'install'). Also *data* can be cached and synced.

It can run from the stick as well.

Yes, of course it can, I was just addressing the - possible -
performance issue.

[1] HP

Oh. My condolences. That explains your poor experience.

--
Kwyj.

 

[Rob]

Clocky wrote:

. wrote:
"Clocky" <nicetry@migo.com> wrote in message
news:002ea762$0$2893$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
Rob wrote:
Bruce Varley wrote:
"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
news:7gjvnaF2pri09U1@mid.individual.net...
Here is another, "I guess it had to happen sooner or later" story.

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26021336-15306,00.html

Throw out the existing IT department, BYO Latptop, and the company
issues a 16Gb memory stick with the company software on board.

Companies such as Jetstar, may do a free issue of the Laptop in
the first instance, but no IT team is needed for daily support.

If the Laptop breaks down, the memory stick is transferred to
another Laptop. They are really talking about under $800 netbooks
here. Slip it into your bag, and off to work we go. Hiho!! HiHo!!

Don...


--
Don McKenzie

On a related topic, is anyone up with the current status of the
govs free laptops to schoolies program?


What ya want to know?
If handing out free laptops is going to improve the apalling level of
literacy in this country or add to it?

Hi Gerry

Wasn`t A600`s handed out to you or others
at your school?

Not a chance, we had two Microbees and some ancient thing that read
punchcards ;-)

Ah yes the Microbee 32K wonderful and a tape drive to load programmes.

 

[Andy]

Kwyjibo wrote:

Frank Slootweg wrote:
Kwyjibo <kwyjibo@ozdebate.remove.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
keithr <keithr@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
[...]
Wyse? I thought that they were dead years ago, Fujitsu bought them.
Maybe someone has done a Lazarus on the name. The thin clients look
like we are heading back into the days of green screen terminals,
just with some fancy graphics built in.

Yes, 'thin clients' are SO 19*80*'s! :-(

You clearly haven't seen any of the recent ones (<5 years old) then.

Yes I have, 'we' [1] also *made/make* them, as I said, since the
1980's.

[...]

The notion of having a memory stick with all the software on it is
a bit suss though, the performance wouldn't exactly be startling.

The software does not have to *run* from the memory stick (only
'install'). Also *data* can be cached and synced.

It can run from the stick as well.

Yes, of course it can, I was just addressing the - possible -
performance issue.

[1] HP

Oh. My condolences. That explains your poor experience.

LOL Too true.

Andy.

--
Registered Linux User #478766
Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

 

[The Real Andy]

On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:05:10 +0800, Hunter <hunter01@iinet.net.au>
wrote:

keithr wrote:
On 7/09/2009 6:48 PM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Here is another, "I guess it had to happen sooner or later" story.

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26021336-15306,00.html

Throw out the existing IT department, BYO Latptop, and the company
issues a 16Gb memory stick with the company software on board.

Companies such as Jetstar, may do a free issue of the Laptop in the
first instance, but no IT team is needed for daily support.

If the Laptop breaks down, the memory stick is transferred to another
Laptop. They are really talking about under $800 netbooks here.

Slip it into your bag, and off to work we go. Hiho!! HiHo!!

Don...

Wyse? I thought that they were dead years ago, Fujitsu bought them.
Maybe someone has done a Lazarus on the name. The thin clients look like
we are heading back into the days of green screen terminals, just with
some fancy graphics built in.


Nope Wyse are still kicking, and whilst it's not up to a desktop PC it
ain't far off with current technology.

I'm currently implementing VMWare View where I work, and it's an amazing
technology. Delivers your work desktop to you where-ever you happen to
be with an internet connection, basically using a really souped up RDP
session (souped up to the point that the old horse and cart is now more
like a Lambaghini).

Storage ain't a massive issue as it has a "gold image" which is
referenced by all users, and there is just a "differential" image kept
for each of the users to keep track of any changes. The differentials
are blown away every 7 days or so, but the profile information is kept
intact and stored elsewhere, so the user doesn't really notice the
difference as long as they don't do silly things like dumping data onto
C drive outside of their profile (company policy is to store all data on
the network anyway).

Now getting back to your comments, one of the packages that comes
bundled with View is Thinapp (previously Thinstall until VMWare bought
it and souped it up further), so the way we do things is all SOE apps
are on the Gold view image, and any other required software we thinapp
and stick on the network, where only those authorised to use those apps
can run them. They run beautifully (even large apps) from the network as
thinapp only streams the parts of the app to you that you need as you
need them, it doesn't need to shunt the whole thing across to your
machine, I'm sure that technology would work equally well off of a USB
stick or similar.

And the Wyse terminals (we're using S10's and V10L's) are nearly up to
scratch of having a desktop PC. Wyse have done some interesting things
with compression and the streaming of video and sound to their terminals
(the only place where they fall behind a full desktop PC), and with what
we've got now we can wack a V10L on a desk, point it to an FTP server to
pick up it's config and licensing, plug in a monitor and bang it's up
and running. Connects to the View broker, user authenticates and they
get their own personalised machine up on the screen, from where they
could watch a movie if they wanted to even though they're just sitting
at a thin client.

We've ruled out replacing all desktops with these terminals though, as
they have implications in respect to Windows licensing which we don't
encounter buying OEM PC's, and after the licensing is sorted you're
nearly paying as much as a PC anyway. Also the user experience isn't the
same as sitting at a real PC, it's nearly there, but the performance
isn't all the way there. For instance you can't just add a codec to your
master image to make everything good for new video formats, you'll find
crappy performance as Wyse will not have catered for that codec yet,
shit they've only just got flash working, and even that is a tad flakey.
Instead we'll be buying a bunch for rapid implmentations, temporary work
area set ups, overflow usage, and hot desks and so on. But the PC's will
still be there for a while yet.

OVer the last few years I have considered all sorts of architechtures
for different apps, and they all have their place.

Take for example, ebay. web client for most users. However power
sellers have the option of 3rd party smart clients. Have you tried
using a web client on daily basis for business? Think apps like people
soft.

Your accountant? As a business owner I use a web based accounting
package. However my accountant would be unable to use it efficiently
and instead uses a thick client.

However, if you own a large chain of businesses doing POS then a web
client will not cut it and a thin client is a lot more suited.

This is why I refuse to buy into the deabates on thin v web v smart v
thick client becase all have their place in modern computing.

 

[keithr]

The Real Andy wrote:

On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:05:10 +0800, Hunter <hunter01@iinet.net.au
wrote:

keithr wrote:
On 7/09/2009 6:48 PM, Don McKenzie wrote:
Here is another, "I guess it had to happen sooner or later" story.

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26021336-15306,00.html

Throw out the existing IT department, BYO Latptop, and the company
issues a 16Gb memory stick with the company software on board.

Companies such as Jetstar, may do a free issue of the Laptop in the
first instance, but no IT team is needed for daily support.

If the Laptop breaks down, the memory stick is transferred to another
Laptop. They are really talking about under $800 netbooks here.

Slip it into your bag, and off to work we go. Hiho!! HiHo!!

Don...
Wyse? I thought that they were dead years ago, Fujitsu bought them.
Maybe someone has done a Lazarus on the name. The thin clients look like
we are heading back into the days of green screen terminals, just with
some fancy graphics built in.

Nope Wyse are still kicking, and whilst it's not up to a desktop PC it
ain't far off with current technology.

I'm currently implementing VMWare View where I work, and it's an amazing
technology. Delivers your work desktop to you where-ever you happen to
be with an internet connection, basically using a really souped up RDP
session (souped up to the point that the old horse and cart is now more
like a Lambaghini).

Storage ain't a massive issue as it has a "gold image" which is
referenced by all users, and there is just a "differential" image kept
for each of the users to keep track of any changes. The differentials
are blown away every 7 days or so, but the profile information is kept
intact and stored elsewhere, so the user doesn't really notice the
difference as long as they don't do silly things like dumping data onto
C drive outside of their profile (company policy is to store all data on
the network anyway).

Now getting back to your comments, one of the packages that comes
bundled with View is Thinapp (previously Thinstall until VMWare bought
it and souped it up further), so the way we do things is all SOE apps
are on the Gold view image, and any other required software we thinapp
and stick on the network, where only those authorised to use those apps
can run them. They run beautifully (even large apps) from the network as
thinapp only streams the parts of the app to you that you need as you
need them, it doesn't need to shunt the whole thing across to your
machine, I'm sure that technology would work equally well off of a USB
stick or similar.

And the Wyse terminals (we're using S10's and V10L's) are nearly up to
scratch of having a desktop PC. Wyse have done some interesting things
with compression and the streaming of video and sound to their terminals
(the only place where they fall behind a full desktop PC), and with what
we've got now we can wack a V10L on a desk, point it to an FTP server to
pick up it's config and licensing, plug in a monitor and bang it's up
and running. Connects to the View broker, user authenticates and they
get their own personalised machine up on the screen, from where they
could watch a movie if they wanted to even though they're just sitting
at a thin client.

We've ruled out replacing all desktops with these terminals though, as
they have implications in respect to Windows licensing which we don't
encounter buying OEM PC's, and after the licensing is sorted you're
nearly paying as much as a PC anyway. Also the user experience isn't the
same as sitting at a real PC, it's nearly there, but the performance
isn't all the way there. For instance you can't just add a codec to your
master image to make everything good for new video formats, you'll find
crappy performance as Wyse will not have catered for that codec yet,
shit they've only just got flash working, and even that is a tad flakey.
Instead we'll be buying a bunch for rapid implmentations, temporary work
area set ups, overflow usage, and hot desks and so on. But the PC's will
still be there for a while yet.


OVer the last few years I have considered all sorts of architechtures
for different apps, and they all have their place.

Take for example, ebay. web client for most users. However power
sellers have the option of 3rd party smart clients. Have you tried
using a web client on daily basis for business? Think apps like people
soft.

Your accountant? As a business owner I use a web based accounting
package. However my accountant would be unable to use it efficiently
and instead uses a thick client.

However, if you own a large chain of businesses doing POS then a web
client will not cut it and a thin client is a lot more suited.

This is why I refuse to buy into the deabates on thin v web v smart v
thick client becase all have their place in modern computing.

Thin clients are an excuse for IT departments to party like its 1985,

they have hated the users being able to do their own thing, now they are
drawing it all back into the computer room again.

 

[Bob Larter]

Sylvia Else wrote:

Don McKenzie wrote:

Here is another, "I guess it had to happen sooner or later" story.

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26021336-15306,00.html

Throw out the existing IT department, BYO Latptop, and the company
issues a 16Gb memory stick with the company software on board.

Companies such as Jetstar, may do a free issue of the Laptop in the
first instance, but no IT team is needed for daily support.

If the Laptop breaks down, the memory stick is transferred to another
Laptop. They are really talking about under $800 netbooks here.

Slip it into your bag, and off to work we go. Hiho!! HiHo!!

Don...



So, not such a good time to be working for Jetstar's internal IT
department then.

LOL. Well put, Sylvia.

--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

 

[terryc]

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:04:52 +1000, keithr wrote:

Thin clients are an excuse for IT departments to party like its 1985,
they have hated the users being able to do their own thing, now they are
drawing it all back into the computer room again.

Weird, all the IT depts I worked for hated them.

 

[Frank Slootweg]

Kwyjibo <kwyjibo@ozdebate.remove.com> wrote:

Frank Slootweg wrote:
Kwyjibo <kwyjibo@ozdebate.remove.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
keithr <keithr@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
[...]
Wyse? I thought that they were dead years ago, Fujitsu bought them.
Maybe someone has done a Lazarus on the name. The thin clients look
like we are heading back into the days of green screen terminals,
just with some fancy graphics built in.

Yes, 'thin clients' are SO 19*80*'s! :-(

You clearly haven't seen any of the recent ones (<5 years old) then.

Yes I have, 'we' [1] also *made/make* them, as I said, since the
1980's.

[...]

The notion of having a memory stick with all the software on it is
a bit suss though, the performance wouldn't exactly be startling.

The software does not have to *run* from the memory stick (only
'install'). Also *data* can be cached and synced.

It can run from the stick as well.

Yes, of course it can, I was just addressing the - possible -
performance issue.

[1] HP

Oh. My condolences. That explains your poor experience.

My experience is quite postive, thank you, because it's not limited to
the "<5 years old" me-too era you're referring to.

I said "Yes, 'thin clients' are SO 19*80*'s! :-(" because that's
exactly what they are. Nothing wrong with using thin clients, but all
these people re-inventing the wheel and then pretending or even claiming
something 'new' is quite pathetic, IMHO.

 

[Kwyjibo]

Frank Slootweg wrote:

Kwyjibo <kwyjibo@ozdebate.remove.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Kwyjibo <kwyjibo@ozdebate.remove.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
keithr <keithr@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
[...]
Wyse? I thought that they were dead years ago, Fujitsu bought
them. Maybe someone has done a Lazarus on the name. The thin
clients look like we are heading back into the days of green
screen terminals, just with some fancy graphics built in.

Yes, 'thin clients' are SO 19*80*'s! :-(

You clearly haven't seen any of the recent ones (<5 years old)
then.

Yes I have, 'we' [1] also *made/make* them, as I said, since the
1980's.

[...]

The notion of having a memory stick with all the software on it
is a bit suss though, the performance wouldn't exactly be
startling.

The software does not have to *run* from the memory stick (only
'install'). Also *data* can be cached and synced.

It can run from the stick as well.

Yes, of course it can, I was just addressing the - possible -
performance issue.

[1] HP

Oh. My condolences. That explains your poor experience.

My experience is quite postive, thank you, because it's not limited
to the "<5 years old" me-too era you're referring to.

I said "Yes, 'thin clients' are SO 19*80*'s! :-(" because that's
exactly what they are.

Bullshit.
That's as stupid as claiming that PC's haven't changed since the 80's.

Nothing wrong with using thin clients, but all
these people re-inventing the wheel and then pretending or even
claiming something 'new' is quite pathetic, IMHO.

Name one thin client that provided a remote GUI capability back in the 80's,
stupid.

--
Kwyj.

 

[Kwyjibo]

keithr wrote:

The Real Andy wrote:
On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:05:10 +0800, Hunter <hunter01@iinet.net.au
wrote:

keithr wrote:
On 7/09/2009 6:48 PM, Don McKenzie wrote:
Here is another, "I guess it had to happen sooner or later" story.

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26021336-15306,00.html

Throw out the existing IT department, BYO Latptop, and the company
issues a 16Gb memory stick with the company software on board.

Companies such as Jetstar, may do a free issue of the Laptop in
the first instance, but no IT team is needed for daily support.

If the Laptop breaks down, the memory stick is transferred to
another Laptop. They are really talking about under $800 netbooks
here. Slip it into your bag, and off to work we go. Hiho!! HiHo!!

Don...
Wyse? I thought that they were dead years ago, Fujitsu bought them.
Maybe someone has done a Lazarus on the name. The thin clients
look like we are heading back into the days of green screen
terminals, just with some fancy graphics built in.

Nope Wyse are still kicking, and whilst it's not up to a desktop PC
it ain't far off with current technology.

I'm currently implementing VMWare View where I work, and it's an
amazing technology. Delivers your work desktop to you where-ever
you happen to be with an internet connection, basically using a
really souped up RDP session (souped up to the point that the old
horse and cart is now more like a Lambaghini).

Storage ain't a massive issue as it has a "gold image" which is
referenced by all users, and there is just a "differential" image
kept for each of the users to keep track of any changes. The
differentials are blown away every 7 days or so, but the profile
information is kept intact and stored elsewhere, so the user
doesn't really notice the difference as long as they don't do silly
things like dumping data onto C drive outside of their profile
(company policy is to store all data on the network anyway).

Now getting back to your comments, one of the packages that comes
bundled with View is Thinapp (previously Thinstall until VMWare
bought it and souped it up further), so the way we do things is all
SOE apps are on the Gold view image, and any other required
software we thinapp and stick on the network, where only those
authorised to use those apps can run them. They run beautifully
(even large apps) from the network as thinapp only streams the
parts of the app to you that you need as you need them, it doesn't
need to shunt the whole thing across to your machine, I'm sure that
technology would work equally well off of a USB stick or similar.

And the Wyse terminals (we're using S10's and V10L's) are nearly up
to scratch of having a desktop PC. Wyse have done some interesting
things with compression and the streaming of video and sound to
their terminals (the only place where they fall behind a full
desktop PC), and with what we've got now we can wack a V10L on a
desk, point it to an FTP server to pick up it's config and
licensing, plug in a monitor and bang it's up and running. Connects
to the View broker, user authenticates and they get their own
personalised machine up on the screen, from where they could watch
a movie if they wanted to even though they're just sitting at a
thin client. We've ruled out replacing all desktops with these terminals
though,
as they have implications in respect to Windows licensing which we
don't encounter buying OEM PC's, and after the licensing is sorted
you're nearly paying as much as a PC anyway. Also the user
experience isn't the same as sitting at a real PC, it's nearly
there, but the performance isn't all the way there. For instance
you can't just add a codec to your master image to make everything
good for new video formats, you'll find crappy performance as Wyse
will not have catered for that codec yet, shit they've only just
got flash working, and even that is a tad flakey. Instead we'll be
buying a bunch for rapid implmentations, temporary work area set
ups, overflow usage, and hot desks and so on. But the PC's will
still be there for a while yet.


OVer the last few years I have considered all sorts of architechtures
for different apps, and they all have their place.

Take for example, ebay. web client for most users. However power
sellers have the option of 3rd party smart clients. Have you tried
using a web client on daily basis for business? Think apps like
people soft.

Your accountant? As a business owner I use a web based accounting
package. However my accountant would be unable to use it efficiently
and instead uses a thick client.

However, if you own a large chain of businesses doing POS then a web
client will not cut it and a thin client is a lot more suited.

This is why I refuse to buy into the deabates on thin v web v smart v
thick client becase all have their place in modern computing.

Thin clients are an excuse for IT departments to party like its 1985,
they have hated the users being able to do their own thing, now they
are drawing it all back into the computer room again.

Crap.
Users have the same permissions on a virtual desktop as they have on a
physical PC. It's all dependent on how the OS has been configured (user
permissions, group policies etc.) and has SFA to do with how the OS is
accessed.


--
Kwyj.

 

[terryc]

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:29:53 +1000, Kwyjibo wrote:

That's as stupid as claiming that PC's haven't changed since the 80's.

Well, they still have the same components, just different styles really.

Nothing wrong with using thin clients, but all these people
re-inventing the wheel and then pretending or even claiming something
'new' is quite pathetic, IMHO.

Name one thin client that provided a remote GUI capability back in the
80's, stupid.

All of them. It was just a matter of a longer monitor cable.
Ohterwise, it is just the application they run.

 

[Kwyjibo]

terryc wrote:

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:29:53 +1000, Kwyjibo wrote:


That's as stupid as claiming that PC's haven't changed since the
80's.

Well, they still have the same components, just different styles
really.

Nothing wrong with using thin clients, but all these people
re-inventing the wheel and then pretending or even claiming
something 'new' is quite pathetic, IMHO.

Name one thin client that provided a remote GUI capability back in
the 80's, stupid.

All of them. It was just a matter of a longer monitor cable.
Ohterwise, it is just the application they run.

"Thin clients" in the 80's were simply remote TTY devices. They were only
capable of displaying text - not a GUI.

--
Kwyj.

 

[keithr]

Kwyjibo wrote:

keithr wrote:
The Real Andy wrote:
On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:05:10 +0800, Hunter <hunter01@iinet.net.au
wrote:

keithr wrote:
On 7/09/2009 6:48 PM, Don McKenzie wrote:
Here is another, "I guess it had to happen sooner or later" story.

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26021336-15306,00.html

Throw out the existing IT department, BYO Latptop, and the company
issues a 16Gb memory stick with the company software on board.

Companies such as Jetstar, may do a free issue of the Laptop in
the first instance, but no IT team is needed for daily support.

If the Laptop breaks down, the memory stick is transferred to
another Laptop. They are really talking about under $800 netbooks
here. Slip it into your bag, and off to work we go. Hiho!! HiHo!!

Don...
Wyse? I thought that they were dead years ago, Fujitsu bought them.
Maybe someone has done a Lazarus on the name. The thin clients
look like we are heading back into the days of green screen
terminals, just with some fancy graphics built in.
Nope Wyse are still kicking, and whilst it's not up to a desktop PC
it ain't far off with current technology.

I'm currently implementing VMWare View where I work, and it's an
amazing technology. Delivers your work desktop to you where-ever
you happen to be with an internet connection, basically using a
really souped up RDP session (souped up to the point that the old
horse and cart is now more like a Lambaghini).

Storage ain't a massive issue as it has a "gold image" which is
referenced by all users, and there is just a "differential" image
kept for each of the users to keep track of any changes. The
differentials are blown away every 7 days or so, but the profile
information is kept intact and stored elsewhere, so the user
doesn't really notice the difference as long as they don't do silly
things like dumping data onto C drive outside of their profile
(company policy is to store all data on the network anyway).

Now getting back to your comments, one of the packages that comes
bundled with View is Thinapp (previously Thinstall until VMWare
bought it and souped it up further), so the way we do things is all
SOE apps are on the Gold view image, and any other required
software we thinapp and stick on the network, where only those
authorised to use those apps can run them. They run beautifully
(even large apps) from the network as thinapp only streams the
parts of the app to you that you need as you need them, it doesn't
need to shunt the whole thing across to your machine, I'm sure that
technology would work equally well off of a USB stick or similar.

And the Wyse terminals (we're using S10's and V10L's) are nearly up
to scratch of having a desktop PC. Wyse have done some interesting
things with compression and the streaming of video and sound to
their terminals (the only place where they fall behind a full
desktop PC), and with what we've got now we can wack a V10L on a
desk, point it to an FTP server to pick up it's config and
licensing, plug in a monitor and bang it's up and running. Connects
to the View broker, user authenticates and they get their own
personalised machine up on the screen, from where they could watch
a movie if they wanted to even though they're just sitting at a
thin client. We've ruled out replacing all desktops with these terminals
though,
as they have implications in respect to Windows licensing which we
don't encounter buying OEM PC's, and after the licensing is sorted
you're nearly paying as much as a PC anyway. Also the user
experience isn't the same as sitting at a real PC, it's nearly
there, but the performance isn't all the way there. For instance
you can't just add a codec to your master image to make everything
good for new video formats, you'll find crappy performance as Wyse
will not have catered for that codec yet, shit they've only just
got flash working, and even that is a tad flakey. Instead we'll be
buying a bunch for rapid implmentations, temporary work area set
ups, overflow usage, and hot desks and so on. But the PC's will
still be there for a while yet.

OVer the last few years I have considered all sorts of architechtures
for different apps, and they all have their place.

Take for example, ebay. web client for most users. However power
sellers have the option of 3rd party smart clients. Have you tried
using a web client on daily basis for business? Think apps like
people soft.

Your accountant? As a business owner I use a web based accounting
package. However my accountant would be unable to use it efficiently
and instead uses a thick client.

However, if you own a large chain of businesses doing POS then a web
client will not cut it and a thin client is a lot more suited.

This is why I refuse to buy into the deabates on thin v web v smart v
thick client becase all have their place in modern computing.

Thin clients are an excuse for IT departments to party like its 1985,
they have hated the users being able to do their own thing, now they
are drawing it all back into the computer room again.

Crap.
Users have the same permissions on a virtual desktop as they have on a
physical PC. It's all dependent on how the OS has been configured (user
permissions, group policies etc.) and has SFA to do with how the OS is
accessed.


So the user can just slip in a CD or a DVD and load a new application of

their choosing at will?