Is this the future?

[Adrian Jansen]

On 28/11/2011 12:25 AM, kreed wrote:

On Nov 25, 8:53 am, "bristan"<n...@none.com> wrote:
Last Saturday was very hot and at about 6.30 pm a series of short blackouts
occurred at my home in Wollondilly shire on the outskirts of Sydney. I
happened to have a power meter connected at the time and watched as the
voltage dropped from around 230 slowly to 208 at which level the power went
off for a couple of seconds then restarted. The voltage went back to 230 or
so then the process repeated . This went on for about half an hour. I
switched off what I could but it is a pain having to reset all the clocks,
redate the phone etc. The fridges weren't, to happy about it either. Non
peak times the voltage goes up around 250
Maybe we are going to have to have a UPS set up in our homes with all the
changes in the electricity arrangements!



Just remembered, in the former USSR republics, this sort of thing
happened more and more in the last decade of its existance, to the
point where the state electrical manufacturing company "electronika"
produced these "stabilisers" which from memory had 2 power
transformers and a large inductor (no solid state parts) - in order to
keep the mains at a stable 220v.


I did take a pic, of the device and the schematic for it if anyone is
particularly excited about it.

Saturable reactor transformers ( Stabilac ) have been around for years.
Virtually every lab I ever worked in in any industrial plant had one in
the '50s - '70s, just to keep the lab supply happy when the industrial
sections put huge demands on the mains.

Big lumps of iron and copper, but simple and almost never fail.

--
Regards,

Adrian Jansen adrianjansen at internode dot on dot net
Note reply address is invalid, convert address above to machine form.

 

[terryc]

kreed wrote:

On Nov 27, 4:56 pm, terryc <newsninespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
kreed wrote:
On Nov 26, 11:18 pm, terryc <newsninespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
kreed wrote:
I agree with you, but we know that under the current regime in
Canberra,
Has SFA to do with it.
The carbon rubbish would have a LOT to do with it.
Maybe. All the current/past increases have nothing to do with it either.
all due to mismanagement by state governments of both persuasions.


While you have that shit hanging over your head for the last decade or
so,

I'll give you a heads up, NO power sytation has every been buiklt in
australia with out some back room assurity. This time is no different.
bottom line is no states want more new power stations as that would
reduce the price they can get for their old clunkers when they finally
get around to selling them off.

If indeed the libs do the right thing and scrap this tax, then that is
another thing that has to be resolved before anything can be done. I
would love to see those independents who were paid off for their vote
be stripped of this money and jailed for bribery and fraud, but I
doubt it would happen.

You must have had the blinkers on all your life to not realise this sort
of deal with independents/minor parties has been part of the Australian
political landscape since its inception. Your last sentence really
shoots yourself in the foot.

 

[terryc]

Rheilly Phoull wrote:

On 11/26/2011 9:17 PM, terryc wrote:
Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 11/25/2011 11:30 PM, terryc wrote:
John Tserkezis wrote:
kreed wrote:

Giant UPS, with a battery bank made out of those massive telephone
exchange batteries or similar. Let it recharge overnight on off-peak
power.

Really? Have you tried to do pricing on that?

Kinda hit the wallet a bit.
12V 445AmpHr costs ~$1,200 recently.

Whats wrong with the supplier providing what they sell ??

Shit happens. Some people need power available at certain times, so hey
have to take precautionary measures.

Why should consumers have to consider all these measures because the
supply is inadequate ??

It is about the only alternative. There are others, but just as
expensive.

Bullshit, if I am willing to pay for a product then I expect to get it.

I'll let you in on a secret, no one offers that fantasy product.

If the providers want to sell me stuff I don't expect to have to see if
they can provide it.

Read the fine print, they are selling you what you signed up for.

 

[terryc]

John Tserkezis wrote:

Sounds good until you realise that cooking on your electric stove is
only really feasible when you're awake - during the day.
But you can "fix" that with gas - and expect that first installation
fee to dig up the ground to cost you a mint.

Two parts of installation;
1) gas main to house (optional as you can install with lpg cyclinders)
2) house installation; from main/lpg cylinders to outlets.

Just order your appliances* for LPg Vs Natgas.

It is veryeasy to run gas stove top cooking off a pair of 9kg lpg
cyclinders.

It is stuff like LPG heaters during a cold winter that will have you
filling a cylinder or two as regular as your vehicle fuel tank. for
convenience, you can get the larger delivery cylinders, but pay bottle
rental.

And there's the washing - but you can stay up and do that - who needs
sleep anyway.

Timer to start? peg out in the morning.

* My electric oven comes with a start and stop timer, so provided I
don't want a baked dinner**, it could be set to start/stop cooking in
the gheap rate hours.


** I suppose the cheaper way to shift to gas might be to spend a few
thousand on one of ese fancy gas BBQs for he deck <VBG>

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

On 11/28/2011 8:15 AM, terryc wrote:

Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 11/26/2011 9:17 PM, terryc wrote:
Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 11/25/2011 11:30 PM, terryc wrote:
John Tserkezis wrote:
kreed wrote:

Giant UPS, with a battery bank made out of those massive telephone
exchange batteries or similar. Let it recharge overnight on off-peak
power.

Really? Have you tried to do pricing on that?

Kinda hit the wallet a bit.
12V 445AmpHr costs ~$1,200 recently.

Whats wrong with the supplier providing what they sell ??

Shit happens. Some people need power available at certain times, so hey
have to take precautionary measures.

Why should consumers have to consider all these measures because the
supply is inadequate ??

It is about the only alternative. There are others, but just as
expensive.

Bullshit, if I am willing to pay for a product then I expect to get it.

I'll let you in on a secret, no one offers that fantasy product.

If the providers want to sell me stuff I don't expect to have to see
if they can provide it.

Read the fine print, they are selling you what you signed up for.


I don't doubt we are tied up with the fine print, but we are charged a

"supply fee" that purportedly is so that we have continuous supply.

Rheilly

 

[terryc]

Rheilly Phoull wrote:

I don't doubt we are tied up with the fine print, but we are charged a
"supply fee" that purportedly is so that we have continuous supply.

Nope, that would incurr a "continuous supply fee" on top of that.

 

[kreed]

On Nov 28, 10:13 am, terryc <newsninespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:

kreed wrote:
On Nov 27, 4:56 pm, terryc <newsninespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
kreed wrote:
On Nov 26, 11:18 pm, terryc <newsninespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
kreed wrote:
I agree with you, but we know that under the current regime in
Canberra,
Has SFA to do with it.
The carbon rubbish would have a LOT to do with it.
Maybe. All the current/past increases have nothing to do with it either.
all due to mismanagement by state governments of both persuasions.

While you have that shit hanging over your head for the last decade or
so,

I'll give you a heads up, NO power sytation has every been buiklt in
australia with out some back room assurity. This time is no different.
bottom line is no states want more new power stations as that would
reduce the price they can get for their old clunkers when they finally
get around to selling them off.



If indeed the libs do the right thing and scrap this tax, then that is
another thing that has to be resolved before anything can be done.  I
would love to see those independents who were paid off for their vote
be stripped of this money and jailed for bribery and fraud, but I
doubt it would happen.

You must have had the blinkers on all your life to not realise this sort
of deal with independents/minor parties has been part of the Australian
political landscape since its inception. Your last sentence really
shoots yourself in the foot.

Not really, they would have known that the majority didnt want it,
they would have known what damage it would do to the country, so they
were not looking after the nation, or even their electorate, they sold
out an entire nations future for a handful of cash.

 

[John Tserkezis]

terryc wrote:

Two parts of installation;
1) gas main to house (optional as you can install with lpg cyclinders)
2) house installation; from main/lpg cylinders to outlets.

Just order your appliances* for LPg Vs Natgas.

Cheaper in the long run to take from the gas mains.
If you're not going to use gas on a regular basis, or heavily, then
the tanks will probably be the cheaper way out.

And there's the washing - but you can stay up and do that - who needs
sleep anyway.

Timer to start? peg out in the morning.

* My electric oven comes with a start and stop timer, so provided I
don't want a baked dinner**, it could be set to start/stop cooking in
the gheap rate hours.

Here I have to ask if you *WOULD* do it, not if you *COULD* do it.

There's a difference.
--
Useless as windshield wipers on a duck's ass.

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

On 11/28/2011 8:53 AM, terryc wrote:

Rheilly Phoull wrote:

I don't doubt we are tied up with the fine print, but we are charged a
"supply fee" that purportedly is so that we have continuous supply.

Nope, that would incurr a "continuous supply fee" on top of that.

So what do they want next when we buy off of them, organ donor rights ??

 

[terryc]

kreed wrote:

Not really, they would have known that the majority didnt want it,
they would have known what damage it would do to the country, so they
were not looking after the nation, or even their electorate, they sold
out an entire nations future for a handful of cash.

Shrug, it is a totally useless poltician that just does what voters want.

 

[terryc]

John Tserkezis wrote:

terryc wrote:

Two parts of installation;
1) gas main to house (optional as you can install with lpg cyclinders)
2) house installation; from main/lpg cylinders to outlets.

Just order your appliances* for LPg Vs Natgas.

Cheaper in the long run to take from the gas mains.
If you're not going to use gas on a regular basis, or heavily, then the
tanks will probably be the cheaper way out.

I've never been able to get the figures to supports that.
$19/9kg refill + fuel for car,
$100 pa per cylinder for rental of large homedelivered cylinders and the
fuel was the same ($100/45kg).
$100 pa for the mains service fee and noway of working out the $ of the
gas delivered.

 

[kreed]

On Nov 28, 7:20 pm, Rheilly Phoull <rhei...@bigslong.com> wrote:

On 11/28/2011 8:53 AM, terryc wrote:

Rheilly Phoull wrote:

I don't doubt we are tied up with the fine print, but we are charged a
"supply fee" that purportedly is so that we have continuous supply.

Nope, that would incurr a "continuous supply fee" on top of that.

So what do they want next when we buy off of them, organ donor rights ??

NON - posthumous organ donor rights

 

[JW]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:03:26 +1100 terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au>
wrote in Message id: <javm9f$ll6$3@dont-email.me>:

useless poltician

Redundant.

 

[kreed]

On Nov 28, 8:03 pm, terryc <newsninespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:

kreed wrote:
Not really, they would have known that the majority didnt want it,
they would have known what damage it would do to the country, so they
were not looking after the nation, or even their electorate, they sold
out an entire nations future for a handful of cash.

Shrug, it is a totally useless poltician that just does what voters want.

So we really are a dictatorship where all we choose is who is going to
abuse us ?