Is there any \"market\" for old electronics, even for free?...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 27 May 2021 20:40:15 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote

Is there any \"market\" for old electronics, even for free?

Depends on what it is. Quite a decent market for early personal
computers and some more specialised stuff like SCSI cards etc.

I found a 70s Commodore Pet (8KB RAM) going for 3 grand!

Its much higher with the earlier stuff.

I actually found a recycler in driving distance
who claims he will even take my CRT tvs.

That\'s certainly a bit dubious.

Why? Presumably they break it for materials, like with any electronics.

There isnt much of any real value in a CRT tv.

Even the glass isnt of any real value because
its very specialised glass and there is plenty of
much more useful glass with used drink bottles.

I know, except for some weird situation I won\'t
find, no one wants a CRT TV but what about....

A westell DSL modem Hub

None here, we have moved to VDSL2+ now.

We have fibre optics.

We do too and all the new stuff is, but we also have VDSL2+
and so do you. I could have said the original better.

Only in a very few outlying areas.

That\'s not true.

It is in the UK. We even got fibre to the home at 18% a year ago. Pretty much everyone has fibre to the cabinet, which is usually 40-80Mbit.

Might still be some demand there.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westell-Wire-Speed-DSL-Modem-Model-A90-210015-04-/153433002888
still offered for $20 plus 9 shipping,
but does that mean anyone can use it?

They can if they still have a dsl service.

My wifi router.

Some do still use those as wifi access points to get more wifi access
in
their house.

a router without wifi?

A few do still use those.

I virtually never use my wifi.

I do for the smartphone which I use all the time
and for the kindle and for all the fully automated
lights etc and for all the stuff like echo dots, google
home minis and for the video surveillance too.

I\'m trying to set up video surveillance - testing some USB cameras, might
go for IP cameras over an ethernet cable. But WiFi is nowhere near fast
enough for several 4K video streams.

Plenty fast enough for the one for each camera.

What is that in English? What I meant was Wifi is shared is it not? Between all the cameras.

It\'s only for the mobile phone, and only because I run science projects
on it which would eat 4G data.

Yep, you are a real dinosaur tech wise.

I only use tech that I need or want,

But what you need or want is stupid with smartphones.

Bollocks, what am I not using that would benefit me?

you use it for the sake of it.

Wrong, I use tech that I need or want.

Most of what you have are gimmics.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 27 May 2021 20:40:15 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote

Is there any \"market\" for old electronics, even for free?

Depends on what it is. Quite a decent market for early personal
computers and some more specialised stuff like SCSI cards etc.

I found a 70s Commodore Pet (8KB RAM) going for 3 grand!

Its much higher with the earlier stuff.

I actually found a recycler in driving distance
who claims he will even take my CRT tvs.

That\'s certainly a bit dubious.

Why? Presumably they break it for materials, like with any electronics.

There isnt much of any real value in a CRT tv.

Even the glass isnt of any real value because
its very specialised glass and there is plenty of
much more useful glass with used drink bottles.

I know, except for some weird situation I won\'t
find, no one wants a CRT TV but what about....

A westell DSL modem Hub

None here, we have moved to VDSL2+ now.

We have fibre optics.

We do too and all the new stuff is, but we also have VDSL2+
and so do you. I could have said the original better.

Only in a very few outlying areas.

That\'s not true.

It is in the UK. We even got fibre to the home at 18% a year ago. Pretty much everyone has fibre to the cabinet, which is usually 40-80Mbit.

Might still be some demand there.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westell-Wire-Speed-DSL-Modem-Model-A90-210015-04-/153433002888
still offered for $20 plus 9 shipping,
but does that mean anyone can use it?

They can if they still have a dsl service.

My wifi router.

Some do still use those as wifi access points to get more wifi access
in
their house.

a router without wifi?

A few do still use those.

I virtually never use my wifi.

I do for the smartphone which I use all the time
and for the kindle and for all the fully automated
lights etc and for all the stuff like echo dots, google
home minis and for the video surveillance too.

I\'m trying to set up video surveillance - testing some USB cameras, might
go for IP cameras over an ethernet cable. But WiFi is nowhere near fast
enough for several 4K video streams.

Plenty fast enough for the one for each camera.

What is that in English? What I meant was Wifi is shared is it not? Between all the cameras.

It\'s only for the mobile phone, and only because I run science projects
on it which would eat 4G data.

Yep, you are a real dinosaur tech wise.

I only use tech that I need or want,

But what you need or want is stupid with smartphones.

Bollocks, what am I not using that would benefit me?

you use it for the sake of it.

Wrong, I use tech that I need or want.

Most of what you have are gimmics.

 

[Rod Speed]

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote

Is there any \"market\" for old electronics, even for free?

Depends on what it is. Quite a decent market for early personal
computers and some more specialised stuff like SCSI cards etc.

I found a 70s Commodore Pet (8KB RAM) going for 3 grand!

Its much higher with the earlier stuff.

I actually found a recycler in driving distance
who claims he will even take my CRT tvs.

That\'s certainly a bit dubious.

Why? Presumably they break it for materials, like with any
electronics.

There isnt much of any real value in a CRT tv.

Even the glass isnt of any real value because
its very specialised glass and there is plenty of
much more useful glass with used drink bottles.

I know, except for some weird situation I won\'t
find, no one wants a CRT TV but what about....

A westell DSL modem Hub

None here, we have moved to VDSL2+ now.

We have fibre optics.

We do too and all the new stuff is, but we also have VDSL2+
and so do you. I could have said the original better.

Only in a very few outlying areas.

That\'s not true.

It is in the UK.

Nope.

> We even got fibre to the home at 18% a year ago.

Not to all but a very few outlying areas you didn\'t.

> Pretty much everyone has fibre to the cabinet,

That\'s VDSL2+

> which is usually 40-80Mbit.

Mine will do 130Mb but I only pay for 50Mb.

All of our new ones and plenty of existing houses
are fiber to the home and that will do 1Gb

Might still be some demand there.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westell-Wire-Speed-DSL-Modem-Model-A90-210015-04-/153433002888
still offered for $20 plus 9 shipping,
but does that mean anyone can use it?

They can if they still have a dsl service.

My wifi router.

Some do still use those as wifi access points to get more wifi access
in
their house.

a router without wifi?

A few do still use those.

I virtually never use my wifi.

I do for the smartphone which I use all the time
and for the kindle and for all the fully automated
lights etc and for all the stuff like echo dots, google
home minis and for the video surveillance too.

I\'m trying to set up video surveillance - testing some USB cameras,
might go for IP cameras over an ethernet cable. But WiFi is nowhere
near fast enough for several 4K video streams.

Plenty fast enough for the one for each camera.

What is that in English?

There is one wifi stream to each camera.

> What I meant was Wifi is shared is it not? Between all the cameras.

Not.

It\'s only for the mobile phone, and only because I run science
projects on it which would eat 4G data.

Yep, you are a real dinosaur tech wise.

I only use tech that I need or want,

But what you need or want is stupid with smartphones.

Bollocks, what am I not using that would benefit me?

Google maps to get to where you want to go with
real time turn by turn directions and traffic etc
when you are going somewhere you havent been
before for a gumtree or freecycle pickup etc.

you use it for the sake of it.

Wrong, I use tech that I need or want.

Most of what you have are gimmics.

Wrong.

 

[Rod Speed]

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote

Is there any \"market\" for old electronics, even for free?

Depends on what it is. Quite a decent market for early personal
computers and some more specialised stuff like SCSI cards etc.

I found a 70s Commodore Pet (8KB RAM) going for 3 grand!

Its much higher with the earlier stuff.

I actually found a recycler in driving distance
who claims he will even take my CRT tvs.

That\'s certainly a bit dubious.

Why? Presumably they break it for materials, like with any
electronics.

There isnt much of any real value in a CRT tv.

Even the glass isnt of any real value because
its very specialised glass and there is plenty of
much more useful glass with used drink bottles.

I know, except for some weird situation I won\'t
find, no one wants a CRT TV but what about....

A westell DSL modem Hub

None here, we have moved to VDSL2+ now.

We have fibre optics.

We do too and all the new stuff is, but we also have VDSL2+
and so do you. I could have said the original better.

Only in a very few outlying areas.

That\'s not true.

It is in the UK.

Nope.

> We even got fibre to the home at 18% a year ago.

Not to all but a very few outlying areas you didn\'t.

> Pretty much everyone has fibre to the cabinet,

That\'s VDSL2+

> which is usually 40-80Mbit.

Mine will do 130Mb but I only pay for 50Mb.

All of our new ones and plenty of existing houses
are fiber to the home and that will do 1Gb

Might still be some demand there.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westell-Wire-Speed-DSL-Modem-Model-A90-210015-04-/153433002888
still offered for $20 plus 9 shipping,
but does that mean anyone can use it?

They can if they still have a dsl service.

My wifi router.

Some do still use those as wifi access points to get more wifi access
in
their house.

a router without wifi?

A few do still use those.

I virtually never use my wifi.

I do for the smartphone which I use all the time
and for the kindle and for all the fully automated
lights etc and for all the stuff like echo dots, google
home minis and for the video surveillance too.

I\'m trying to set up video surveillance - testing some USB cameras,
might go for IP cameras over an ethernet cable. But WiFi is nowhere
near fast enough for several 4K video streams.

Plenty fast enough for the one for each camera.

What is that in English?

There is one wifi stream to each camera.

> What I meant was Wifi is shared is it not? Between all the cameras.

Not.

It\'s only for the mobile phone, and only because I run science
projects on it which would eat 4G data.

Yep, you are a real dinosaur tech wise.

I only use tech that I need or want,

But what you need or want is stupid with smartphones.

Bollocks, what am I not using that would benefit me?

Google maps to get to where you want to go with
real time turn by turn directions and traffic etc
when you are going somewhere you havent been
before for a gumtree or freecycle pickup etc.

you use it for the sake of it.

Wrong, I use tech that I need or want.

Most of what you have are gimmics.

Wrong.

 

[Mike Coon]

In article <3sd1bgppdld79lk9k1n26gi7c9khqgi079@4ax.com>,
news@spaced.me.uk says...

Are we talking auto/isolation-transformers here?

I was reading a sailing magazine that mentioned using an autotransformer
in the context of isolation. I felt impelled to write and point out that
because an autotransformer has part of the winding shared between
primary and secondary, isolation is one thing it definitely does not do!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotransformer

 

[Mike Coon]

In article <3sd1bgppdld79lk9k1n26gi7c9khqgi079@4ax.com>,
news@spaced.me.uk says...

Are we talking auto/isolation-transformers here?

I was reading a sailing magazine that mentioned using an autotransformer
in the context of isolation. I felt impelled to write and point out that
because an autotransformer has part of the winding shared between
primary and secondary, isolation is one thing it definitely does not do!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotransformer

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 29 May 2021 04:50:16 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins\' endless absolutely idiotic
blather>

--
Another typical retarded \"conversation\" between Birdbrain and senile Rodent:

Senile Rodent: \" Did you ever dig a hole to bury your own shit?\"

Birdbrain: \"I do if there\'s no flush toilet around.\"

Senile Rodent: \"Yeah, I prefer camping like that, off by myself with
no dunnys around and have always buried the shit.\"

MID: <fv66kaFml0nU2@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 29 May 2021 04:50:16 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins\' endless absolutely idiotic
blather>

--
Another typical retarded \"conversation\" between Birdbrain and senile Rodent:

Senile Rodent: \" Did you ever dig a hole to bury your own shit?\"

Birdbrain: \"I do if there\'s no flush toilet around.\"

Senile Rodent: \"Yeah, I prefer camping like that, off by myself with
no dunnys around and have always buried the shit.\"

MID: <fv66kaFml0nU2@mid.individual.net>

 

[T i m]

On Fri, 28 May 2021 20:24:06 +0100, Mike Coon
<gravity@mjcoon.plus.com> wrote:

In article <3sd1bgppdld79lk9k1n26gi7c9khqgi079@4ax.com>,
news@spaced.me.uk says...

Are we talking auto/isolation-transformers here?

I was reading a sailing magazine that mentioned using an autotransformer
in the context of isolation. I felt impelled to write and point out that
because an autotransformer has part of the winding shared between
primary and secondary, isolation is one thing it definitely does not do!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotransformer

Ah yes, thanks (didn\'t even need to look at the link but did <g>)
just dragging stuff up from the past in my mind. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Do you sail and if so what OOI? Dinghy sailor and son of a Shell
Tanker Capt here. ;-)

 

[Mike Coon]

In article <6sf4bg5vmpgjk0jdolr61a8vhma0g6st12@4ax.com>,
news@spaced.me.uk says...

On Fri, 28 May 2021 20:24:06 +0100, Mike Coon
gravity@mjcoon.plus.com> wrote:

In article <3sd1bgppdld79lk9k1n26gi7c9khqgi079@4ax.com>,
news@spaced.me.uk says...

Are we talking auto/isolation-transformers here?

I was reading a sailing magazine that mentioned using an autotransformer
in the context of isolation. I felt impelled to write and point out that
because an autotransformer has part of the winding shared between
primary and secondary, isolation is one thing it definitely does not do!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotransformer

Ah yes, thanks (didn\'t even need to look at the link but did <g>)
just dragging stuff up from the past in my mind. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Do you sail and if so what OOI? Dinghy sailor and son of a Shell
Tanker Capt here. ;-)

2020 is the first year since 1974 that I have not been able to go on a
sailing holiday somewhere warm in the Summer! But it is decades since I
owned a sailing dinghy and have never owned any other boat. You
certainly know about the extremes! \"OOI\"?

 

[T i m]

On Sun, 30 May 2021 12:47:54 +0100, Mike Coon
<gravity@mjcoon.plus.com> wrote:

<snip>

p.s. Do you sail and if so what OOI? Dinghy sailor and son of a Shell
Tanker Capt here. ;-)

2020 is the first year since 1974 that I have not been able to go on a
sailing holiday somewhere warm in the Summer!

Shame. ;-(

But it is decades since I
owned a sailing dinghy and have never owned any other boat.

So you rent / charter something and if so what sort of thing?

You
certainly know about the extremes!

;-)

>\"OOI\"?

Sorry, \'Out Of Interest\'.

Cheers, T i m

 

[Tim R]

But it is decades since I
owned a sailing dinghy and have never owned any other boat.
So you rent / charter something and if so what sort of thing?

There\'s an old saying: If it flies or floats, you\'re better off renting. (sometimes there\'s a third F mentioned but i disremember what)

 

[Mike Coon]

In article <2ca7bgtiu20madnojo3ce7c2hqqo4h39bg@4ax.com>,
news@spaced.me.uk says...

On Sun, 30 May 2021 12:47:54 +0100, Mike Coon
gravity@mjcoon.plus.com> wrote:

snip

So you rent / charter something and if so what sort of thing?

Cheers, T i m

Fingers crossed, 2020 postponed will be on
https://www.sunscapeyachting.co.uk/yachts/jeanneau-sun-odyssey-389

A regular crew member lives in France and will probably not be able to
make it this year...

 

[T i m]

On Sun, 30 May 2021 19:22:52 +0100, Mike Coon
<gravity@mjcoon.plus.com> wrote:

So you rent / charter something and if so what sort of thing?


Fingers crossed, 2020 postponed will be on
https://www.sunscapeyachting.co.uk/yachts/jeanneau-sun-odyssey-389

Very nice. ;-)

Dad had a Leisure 23 in a marina on the East coast of the UK and his
mate had a Hurley 27 in the same marina.

https://www.sailingtoday.co.uk/uncategorized/hurley-27/

I remember as a teenager being hoisted up the mast to change the
masthead lamp. Even in the marina the view below me was constantly
changing between jetty, deck, marina and back. ;-(

The biggest other thing Dad sailed after coming ashore from the
Merchant Navy was a Norfolk Wherry, this one in fact (hired by a bunch
of ex Master Mariners). ;-)

A regular crew member lives in France and will probably not be able to
make it this year...

Shame.

Safe cruising. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

p.s. It seems I\'ve always been into practical stuff as I didn\'t want
to make book-ends or a bathroom cabinet in woodwork at secondary
school so build a 6\' pram dinghy from plans instead. ;-)

 

[T i m]

On Sun, 30 May 2021 19:22:52 +0100, Mike Coon
<gravity@mjcoon.plus.com> wrote:

So you rent / charter something and if so what sort of thing?


Fingers crossed, 2020 postponed will be on
https://www.sunscapeyachting.co.uk/yachts/jeanneau-sun-odyssey-389

Very nice. ;-)

Dad had a Leisure 23 in a marina on the East coast of the UK and his
mate had a Hurley 27 in the same marina.

https://www.sailingtoday.co.uk/uncategorized/hurley-27/

I remember as a teenager being hoisted up the mast to change the
masthead lamp. Even in the marina the view below me was constantly
changing between jetty, deck, marina and back. ;-(

The biggest other thing Dad sailed after coming ashore from the
Merchant Navy was a Norfolk Wherry, this one in fact (hired by a bunch
of ex Master Mariners). ;-)

A regular crew member lives in France and will probably not be able to
make it this year...

Shame.

Safe cruising. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

p.s. It seems I\'ve always been into practical stuff as I didn\'t want
to make book-ends or a bathroom cabinet in woodwork at secondary
school so build a 6\' pram dinghy from plans instead. ;-)

 

[T i m]

On Sun, 30 May 2021 11:21:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim R
<timothy42bach@gmail.com> wrote:

But it is decades since I
owned a sailing dinghy and have never owned any other boat.
So you rent / charter something and if so what sort of thing?

There\'s an old saying: If it flies or floats, you\'re better off renting. (sometimes there\'s a third F mentioned but i disremember what)

Yup. Dad used to say that a boat was \'a hole in the water into which
you throw money\' but that said, I think they (Mum and Dad) got a lot
of value out of most of the boats they had later on, even going down
there and just sitting in them, sometimes listening to the radio and
drinking tea, or going to the clubhouse for a meal, even if it was
stormy outside. ;-)

Our family holidays were often on the Norfolk Broads, either in a
chalet or on a houseboat or even on our own boats (pocket / trailable
cruisers) with a dinghy for us kids.

One regret could be not going out with Dad more often but I am more of
a convenience sailor, wanting to go sailing when I want, not just when
the water shows up. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

 

[T i m]

On Sun, 30 May 2021 11:21:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim R
<timothy42bach@gmail.com> wrote:

But it is decades since I
owned a sailing dinghy and have never owned any other boat.
So you rent / charter something and if so what sort of thing?

There\'s an old saying: If it flies or floats, you\'re better off renting. (sometimes there\'s a third F mentioned but i disremember what)

Yup. Dad used to say that a boat was \'a hole in the water into which
you throw money\' but that said, I think they (Mum and Dad) got a lot
of value out of most of the boats they had later on, even going down
there and just sitting in them, sometimes listening to the radio and
drinking tea, or going to the clubhouse for a meal, even if it was
stormy outside. ;-)

Our family holidays were often on the Norfolk Broads, either in a
chalet or on a houseboat or even on our own boats (pocket / trailable
cruisers) with a dinghy for us kids.

One regret could be not going out with Dad more often but I am more of
a convenience sailor, wanting to go sailing when I want, not just when
the water shows up. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

 

[Bradley Bowman]

On Mon, 24 May 2021 20:59:49 -0400, micky wrote:

I know, except for some weird situation I won\'t find, no one wants a CRT
TV but what about....

People into classic gaming do. Harder to come by ones like Sony PVM and
BVM models can demand a fair bit of money. Not all CRTs are equal but
targeting gamers into that is an easy way to turn one into some amount of
$

 

[Bradley Bowman]

On Mon, 24 May 2021 20:59:49 -0400, micky wrote:

I know, except for some weird situation I won\'t find, no one wants a CRT
TV but what about....

People into classic gaming do. Harder to come by ones like Sony PVM and
BVM models can demand a fair bit of money. Not all CRTs are equal but
targeting gamers into that is an easy way to turn one into some amount of
$

 

[ohg...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 3:12:59 PM UTC-4, Bradley Bowman wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 20:59:49 -0400, micky wrote:


I know, except for some weird situation I won\'t find, no one wants a CRT
TV but what about....

People into classic gaming do. Harder to come by ones like Sony PVM and
BVM models can demand a fair bit of money. Not all CRTs are equal but
targeting gamers into that is an easy way to turn one into some amount of
$

They won\'t be worth any real money until the day I finally give away or scrap out the last CRT TV I have..