Is there a flip-phone made with full keyboard

[Phil Hobbs]

On 5/16/19 11:49 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 22:39:03 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

I've been sticking with the Blackberry Classic for the past 4-1/2
years. I have a couple of spares, so as long as T-Mobile supports
it, I should be in good shape. My hands are much too large to type
on a virtual keyboard. Cheers Phil Hobbs

That's a common problem. I suggest you try a finger stylus:
https://www.google.com/search?q=finger+stylus&tbm=isch> or maybe one
of the pen type styluses. There are different types for capacitive
and conductive screens. I use a stylus with a rubber tip when I need
to type more than a few characters:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/233098413382

Like any good idea, there's always someone who takes it to an
extreme: "Finger-Nose touchscreen stylus looks silly, but is actually
pretty practical"
https://www.geek.com/gadgets/finger-nose-touchscreen-stylus-looks-silly-but-is-actually-pretty-practical-1357423/

Sigh...

It's a lot simpler and faster to stick with a BB. I can type with both
thumbs and I don't have to bother with a stylus.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 17 May 2019 04:33:27 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 5/16/19 11:49 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 22:39:03 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

I've been sticking with the Blackberry Classic for the past 4-1/2
years. I have a couple of spares, so as long as T-Mobile supports
it, I should be in good shape. My hands are much too large to type
on a virtual keyboard. Cheers Phil Hobbs

That's a common problem. I suggest you try a finger stylus:
https://www.google.com/search?q=finger+stylus&tbm=isch> or maybe one
of the pen type styluses. There are different types for capacitive
and conductive screens. I use a stylus with a rubber tip when I need
to type more than a few characters:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/233098413382

Like any good idea, there's always someone who takes it to an
extreme: "Finger-Nose touchscreen stylus looks silly, but is actually
pretty practical"
https://www.geek.com/gadgets/finger-nose-touchscreen-stylus-looks-silly-but-is-actually-pretty-practical-1357423/

Sigh...

It's a lot simpler and faster to stick with a BB. I can type with both
thumbs and I don't have to bother with a stylus.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs

That's probably true for your needs. We all tend to favor whatever
user interface we first learned.

Back in the stone age of computing, I did everything from the Bourne
shell command line. It was fast, efficient, and I saw little need for
anything better. Some of my customers were also addicted to the IBM
Displaywriter, which did everything using function keys. Both these
customers and I had difficulty adapting to using a mouse. Things I
could do with a few keystrokes, took longer and with more steps using
a mouse. Eventually, everyone adapted to the mouse.

When I started using cell phones, everything was done with a button
press. It was rather clumsy trying use arrow keys to move a cursor
around the screen. So, I went to a Verizon UTC/Starcom XV6700:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/xv6700/XV6700.htm>
<https://www.google.com/search?q=xv6700&tbm=isch>
which had a stylus and a slide out keyboard. I rarely used the
keyboard because the keys were too small. I've tried BB style
keyboards, voice control, joysticks, external mice, eye tracking, and
currently, touch screens. All have their individual advantages, and
individual fanatical supporters. Among this assortment of user
interfaces, I decided the stylus was best for me because the accuracy
is better than a tiny keyboard or tiny buttons on a screen.

Therefore, I suggest you at least try a stylus on a more modern phone
that offers predictive completion and spelling corrections
"Field Guide Everything You Can Do to Type Faster on Your Smartphone"
<https://gizmodo.com/everything-you-can-do-to-type-faster-on-your-smartphone-1828075538>
and see if it helps with the keyboard problem. Like anything new, it
will take some practice to become proficient. What these have done
for me is compensate for my lack of accuracy and miserable spelling. I
suspect my spelling has actually become worse thanks to predictive and
corrective spelling features on my current (old) Samsung S4. I just
type something close to the word I want, it the phone fixes it for me.



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[Rick C]

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:33:37 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 5/16/19 11:49 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 22:39:03 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

I've been sticking with the Blackberry Classic for the past 4-1/2
years. I have a couple of spares, so as long as T-Mobile supports
it, I should be in good shape. My hands are much too large to type
on a virtual keyboard. Cheers Phil Hobbs

That's a common problem. I suggest you try a finger stylus:
https://www.google.com/search?q=finger+stylus&tbm=isch> or maybe one
of the pen type styluses. There are different types for capacitive
and conductive screens. I use a stylus with a rubber tip when I need
to type more than a few characters:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/233098413382

Like any good idea, there's always someone who takes it to an
extreme: "Finger-Nose touchscreen stylus looks silly, but is actually
pretty practical"
https://www.geek.com/gadgets/finger-nose-touchscreen-stylus-looks-silly-but-is-actually-pretty-practical-1357423/

Sigh...


It's a lot simpler and faster to stick with a BB. I can type with both
thumbs and I don't have to bother with a stylus.

A problem already solved...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF1VFs6V0AAl683.jpg:large

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[Neon John]

On Wed, 15 May 2019 17:12:37 -0500, Unlisted <unlisted@nomail.com>
wrote:

Is there a flip-phone made with full keyboard?

I'm elderly.
I do NOT want a smartphone. In fact I tried one and hated it. I went
back to my easy to use flip phone. My only complaint is that I send a
lot of texts, and typing on the flip-phone is a pain. Literally, my
wrist gets sore from hitting keys 4 times just to get the letter "S".

Sorry to say, but you're out of luck for the reasons others have
given. I don't talk on the phone either. I have that $15/month plan
they've been pushing on TV Last month, I used 6 minutes.

I don't text either, at least not enough to speak of. I still use
good old email.

Like you, I despise the tactile-less screen keyboard. What I've done
is become familiar with the speech to text facility of Android phones.
It is REALLY good and doesn't have to be trained to your particular
voice. Any place there is a little microphone icon, the voice
function is active.

The problem you'll run into once you get used to the feature is
running on. I'll be talking and notice that I've filled several
screens with text.

Try it, you'll like it.

John
John DeArmond
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http://www.tnduction.com
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
See website for email address

 

[Jeroen Belleman]

On 2019-05-17 18:12, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[Snip!]

Back in the stone age of computing, I did everything from the Bourne
shell command line. [...] What these have done
for me is compensate for my lack of accuracy and miserable spelling. I
suspect my spelling has actually become worse thanks to predictive and
corrective spelling features on my current (old) Samsung S4. I just
type something close to the word I want, it the phone fixes it for me.

I hate auto-correct. I work in a multilingual environment and it
always get it wrong. I turn it off, but somehow, my phone turns
it back on all by itself. Grrr!

Jeroen Belleman

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 17 May 2019 20:33:30 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2019-05-17 18:12, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[Snip!]

Back in the stone age of computing, I did everything from the Bourne
shell command line. [...] What these have done
for me is compensate for my lack of accuracy and miserable spelling. I
suspect my spelling has actually become worse thanks to predictive and
corrective spelling features on my current (old) Samsung S4. I just
type something close to the word I want, it the phone fixes it for me.

I hate auto-correct. I work in a multilingual environment and it
always get it wrong. I turn it off, but somehow, my phone turns
it back on all by itself. Grrr!

Jeroen Belleman

I can't live without it. My spelling is really horrible, even in the
one language that I use most often. On Android, you should be able to
select your current language and keyboard, or leave it in
multilanguage and let it auto-select the language.

What maker and model number phone do you use?
If Android, what version?

I don't use more than one language (except for an occasional futile
attempt at relearning Hebrew or Polish). However, I know people who
do switch back and forth between English and Spanish without (much)
difficulty. It's quite simple:
<https://support.google.com/gboard/answer/7068494?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&hl=en>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWuVUC13Tj4> (2:43)
Of the various keyboard apps, methinks that GBoard is the least
disgusting:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.inputmethod.latin&hl=en_US>
If you're using Swiftkey, Swipe, Fleksy, or some other 3rd party
keyboards, some tinkering may be required to make multiple languages
work.

Things really changed between Android 6 and 7 that caused some
problems on Samsung phones:
<https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/174928/android-7-predictive-text-multiple-languages/175100>
<https://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s7-edge/772925-how-change-keyboard-back-simultaneous-language-after-samsung-7-edge-update.html>

If iPhone, it's probably something you're doing wrong because Apple
never makes a mistake and all their products are intuitive:
<https://www.howtogeek.com/313617/how-to-get-ios%E2%80%99-autocorrect-to-work-in-multiple-languages/>
<http://www.iphonehacks.com/2016/09/set-up-multilingual-typing-ios-10.html>

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Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
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[Jeroen Belleman]

On 2019-05-17 22:44, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2019 20:33:30 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2019-05-17 18:12, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[Snip!]

Back in the stone age of computing, I did everything from the Bourne
shell command line. [...] What these have done
for me is compensate for my lack of accuracy and miserable spelling. I
suspect my spelling has actually become worse thanks to predictive and
corrective spelling features on my current (old) Samsung S4. I just
type something close to the word I want, it the phone fixes it for me.

I hate auto-correct. I work in a multilingual environment and it
always get it wrong. I turn it off, but somehow, my phone turns
it back on all by itself. Grrr!

Jeroen Belleman

I can't live without it. My spelling is really horrible, even in the
one language that I use most often. On Android, you should be able to
select your current language and keyboard, or leave it in
multilanguage and let it auto-select the language.

What maker and model number phone do you use?
If Android, what version?

;-) I'm a luddite, when it comes to phones. It's a Caterpillar,
believe it or not. The ring tone is the noise of a starting
bulldozer diesel engine.

Jeroen Belleman

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 18 May 2019 16:55:46 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

;-) I'm a luddite, when it comes to phones. It's a Caterpillar,
believe it or not. The ring tone is the noise of a starting
bulldozer diesel engine.

Jeroen Belleman

Nice. One of the Bullitt Group phones. They seem to have licensed
the Caterpillar, JCB (J.C. Bamford Excavators Limited), and Land Rover
names for their rugged phones:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullitt_Group>
<https://bullitt-group.com>
<https://www.catphones.com>
<https://landroverexplore.com>
<https://toughphones.net/?term=&s=jcb&post_type=product&taxonomy=product_cat>

I don't know what version of Android your phone uses, but it should
properly support language switching and auto correction (famous last
assumptions).

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[whit3rd]

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 1:33:37 AM UTC-7, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 5/16/19 11:49 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

"Finger-Nose touchscreen stylus looks silly, but is actually
pretty practical"
https://www.geek.com/gadgets/finger-nose-touchscreen-stylus-looks-silly-but-is-actually-pretty-practical-1357423/

It's a lot simpler and faster to stick with a BB. I can type with both
thumbs and I don't have to bother with a stylus.

The premise that you want a flipphone (with a floppy hinge) and a full
keyboard is ... flawed. Touchtype with both hands, comfortably, while
holding the hinge open and positioning the keyboard with your feet? Works
for an orangoutan, I suppose.