Iraqi prisoner-abuse scandal widens; Pentagon investigating

[Frank Bemelman]

"John S. Dyson" <toor@iquest.net> schreef in bericht
news:c7rl72$2gqj$1@news.iquest.net...

Where is European outrage about the killing of Americans? Nowhere,
because of the historical lack of respect for American life,

It's more a lack of outrage at all, combined with a universal
respect for life in general. Such attitude helps preventing
starting wars on false pretensions, but you would not understand
that.

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Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 11 May 2004 22:48:02 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

In article <1dus90d596ck7551fds4uoru9rpd0jt9ev@4ax.com>,
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> writes:

Since you claim to "embrace" several religions, (while, admittedly,
practicing none) you should have become exposed to the belief that,
for some, being forced to appear nude in public is torturous.

(Your comment about 'religion' isn't quite correct -- it is more
of a cultural thing in this context -- read further.)

---
My comment wasn't about religion, it was about about your perception
of torture and your insensitivity to the tenets of religions, which
you claim not only to understand, but to embrace. I'll give you an
example which even _your_ sophomoric sensibility ought to be able to
understand. Force pork into the body of a Muslim and he'll believe
that he'll be denied entry into heaven. Let him know that you're
going to force pork into his body, if only by stuffing it down his
throat, and you've taken away his reason for enduring the hardships of
this life and his eventual everlasting reward. Torture? I think so.
And you? I suspect that you'd think you were doing him a favor by
giving him a free meal and that his religious beliefs were of no
consequence because they make no sense to you.
---

Where is your outrage for the recent, horrible head removal? Hint:
you don't care, he was a young 24yr old American, right?

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Of course I care, but I prefer to more or less silently bear the
anguish for what I had no control over rather than than to bandy the
horror about recklessly for my own ends, as seems to be your bent.

Pity more of our boys and those of our friends don't fall into the
hands of the enemy so that you can shed more crocodile tears, no???
---

not publically remove his clothes and embarass him sexually? Geesh,
maybe because it isn't really heinous torture?

---
For those of us who aren't ashamed of our bodies, being voluntarily
nude in public isn't torture and, in some instances, can be
liberating. Being raped _is_, however, torture and rape includes
being sexually exploited because the means of protest has been taken
away from you. I don't know where you've been for the last ten or
twenty years, but if it had been on this planet you might, somehow,
have come to the conclusion that we don't consider public nudity
torture, we generally find it amusing and, in some instances,
titillating. Have you never heard of streaking? Or flashing? Or
titty bars? Or Renaissance fairs? Or Fat Tuesday? Or...

Seems "they" have, though, since that's not what they went for.
Instead they opted to inflict violent death for the sake of
sensationalism, which is universal in its message of disrespect for
human life.

Should we reply in kind?

According to you, yes.

So, how many of their heads should we slowly sever to get even? One?
Ten? A hundred? Kill them all?

How about if we send a film crew over there and air the decapitations
live, so that your "outrage" will be vindicated? For sure you'll get
to be the host of the show and display the dossier of every deserving
"participant" so that as each cut is inflicted a good reason will be
given for the murder and for why two wrongs all of a sudden make a
right.
---

Chopping off heads is much more torturous. It is worse when people
on YOUR (John Fields) side applaud (certainly don't publically
complain or condemn) the public murders and burnings,
but are relatively more offended by essentially an embarassing
nude hazing.

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I've already condemned the nude hazing, you lying son of a bitch, so
what would make you think that I'd approve of the murder of our
soldiers? You know damned well I wouldn't, and don't, but you're
trying to use innuendo to imply that I would. You're a despicable
coward and I'll be glad when you die.
---

Even if the discomfort was extreme, it was made
more extreme by exposing the pictures. (Thank you CBS for the
delay that gave the recent head removal victim an extra 2wks of
life.) Embarassing pictures are much worse when they are
released. It is really bad when there are current potential
victims who will MORE LIKELY be killed, instead of waiting until
the situation settles down. The CBS (leftist) scoop was well
worth the several lifes that it will cost.

---
What you'd really like is for any blunders our military makes _never_
to come to light, so that you can pretend that we never make mistakes.
---

Note that fear of nudity is actually more cultural than
religious (e.g. the use of the head/body covers for women
isn't really necessary to the extent often done.)

---
As far as _you're_ concerned, but let's see... Even though you're not
Muslim you're prepared to issue edicts about what's necessary and what
isn't as far as the pradctice of their religion goes? You're a
fucking idiot.
---

You are confusing 'embarassment' and 'loss of face' with
torture. Perhaps your idea of torture is quite adjustable,
whether or not you embrace the Islamists or Saddam Fedayeen
and hate the US or not? Remove your own emotional biases, and
think about the relative amounts of torture...

---
You just can't get it through your thick skull that what might be
embarrassment for you might be torture for someone else, can you?
You ought to get out more instead of keeping yourself locked up in
that comfortable little fantasy world you've created for yourself
where you're the be-all and end-all and all that matters is what you
think matters.
---

Hey, the kids (including perhaps up to 1star who let it happen,
incompetenly, and the MI Colonel) who perpetrated the wrongful
deeds, will be punished. On the other hand, there are individuals
(like John Fields) who doesn't protest the murder of very
innocent Americans (the recent 24yr old whose head was removed,
slowly and painfully.) (For more specifics wrt my references of
the individuals, most info is in the public now -- just look it up.)

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Read the foregoing, you ingenuous cocksucker.
---

Where is European outrage about the killing of Americans? Nowhere,
because of the historical lack of respect for American life,
and lack of Eurotrash respect for American life is one reason why Americans
shouldn't be sovereign...

---
I think you'll find that Europeans are generally more restrained than
we are, which is no indication of lack of respect for life, American
or otherwise. Also, since you've stated that since lack of respect
for American life is one reason why Americans shouldn't be sovereign,
I'd be interested in reading what your other reasons are, traitorous
scum...
---

Please provide any significant information in the European (even
British) press (not the general centrist or right wing, but the
big time complainers instead) where it is on the front page, and
great outrage being professed...

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It doesn't have to be professed to be felt, and your intimation that
everyone's reaction should be the same as yours further goes to point
to your self-admitted centrist attitude. That is, that you think
you're the center of the universe and fit to tell everyone what and
what not to do. You're not, and you aren't. All you are is a loser.
A chronic whiner with a lot of resentment and hate bottled up inside
who doesn't know how to get rid of it.

I think you should seek professional help. Soon.
Or, if the pain gets to be unbearable, you might want to find out if
Dr. Kavorkian is taking new "patients"...

--
John Fields

 

[Winfield Hill]

John S. Dyson wrote...

reading your book (which is mostly redundant for me), I would
think about draft dodging, Saddam supporting anti-US hatred,
leftist idiot. That truth doesn't make me hate you, but causes
me to pity you. For being able to obviously otherwise think,
you seem to have an empty spot in politics (either Democrat/
leftist/wierdo bias out of control, or just incompetency.)

Yes, you would think "draft dodging, Saddam supporting anti-US
hatred, leftist idiot," about me, because lies and UNTRUTH are
your sustenance, your fodder. Truth, actual truth, apparently
has little place in your belief system. Truth doesn't bother
you, because it has no place in your life, in your writings.

Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dot-org for now)

 

[Bill Sloman]

toor@iquest.net (John S. Dyson) wrote in message news:<c7rkde$2gbh$1@news.iquest.net>...

In article <c7mhl80246j@drn.newsguy.com>,
Winfield Hill <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> writes:
John S. Dyson wrote...

Actually, lets define the 'center' as being John F. Kennedy. Given
that, I am quite centrist. This would be far right for you.

As usual, Dyson's lies and utter crap. He doesn't have a clue.

<snipped party political broadcast>

Alas, the truth really does bother you. If reading your book
(which is mostly redundant for me), I would think about draft
dodging, Saddam supporting anti-US hatred, leftist idiot. That
truth doesn't make me hate you, but causes me to pity you.

As usual, Dyson's lies and utter crap. He makes a series of libellous
claim that he ought to know to be untrue, and proceeds to describe
them as "the truth".

Presumably the devil - lightly disguised with a coat of white paint -
has given him this information, because no other source could generate
such incoherent malicious rubbish. Remember, he never supports his
idiot claims with specific references to published information. Only a
cretin of Dyson's mythic proportions would bother posting such
transparent twaddle.

For being able to obviously otherwise think, you seem to have an
empty spot in politics (either Democrat/leftist/wierdo bias
out of control, or just incompetency.)

This from the nitwit who thinks his own demented opinions are the
touchstone for political veracity. He can't even construct a coherent
argument, and yet has the nerve to describe others as incompetent.

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <c7t28902mr3@drn.newsguy.com>,
Winfield Hill <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> writes:

John S. Dyson wrote...

reading your book (which is mostly redundant for me), I would
think about draft dodging, Saddam supporting anti-US hatred,
leftist idiot. That truth doesn't make me hate you, but causes
me to pity you. For being able to obviously otherwise think,
you seem to have an empty spot in politics (either Democrat/
leftist/wierdo bias out of control, or just incompetency.)

Yes, you would think "draft dodging, Saddam supporting anti-US
hatred, leftist idiot," about me, because lies and UNTRUTH are
your sustenance, your fodder.

Nope -- there is nothing that I said above that is untrue (provably

or otherwise.) When I read your book, I certainly would think of
draft dodging, whether or not you really were one. All we have
is your own word, but I take your own claim as the truth.

However, the image that your attitude produces as an apparent
America hater (kind of a wierd self-hatred) will persist.

John

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 12 May 2004 16:55:16 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

In article <c7t28902mr3@drn.newsguy.com>,
Winfield Hill <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> writes:
John S. Dyson wrote...

reading your book (which is mostly redundant for me), I would
think about draft dodging, Saddam supporting anti-US hatred,
leftist idiot. That truth doesn't make me hate you, but causes
me to pity you. For being able to obviously otherwise think,
you seem to have an empty spot in politics (either Democrat/
leftist/wierdo bias out of control, or just incompetency.)

Yes, you would think "draft dodging, Saddam supporting anti-US
hatred, leftist idiot," about me, because lies and UNTRUTH are
your sustenance, your fodder.

Nope -- there is nothing that I said above that is untrue (provably
or otherwise.) When I read your book, I certainly would think of
draft dodging, whether or not you really were one. All we have
is your own word, but I take your own claim as the truth.

However, the image that your attitude produces as an apparent
America hater (kind of a wierd self-hatred) will persist.

---
Only in _your_ diseased mind.

You see, John, you're so mentally crippled and incapable of
contributing positively to our society that when you see the good work
of someone who's done something important, like Hill, you immediately
have to find fault with his character in order to feel that you're
rising up out of the slime by putting him beneath you. If there is no
fault there you will fabricate one by finding meaning where none
exists and convincing yourself that your perverted fabrication is the
truth. Sad, really, and smacking dangerously of McCarthyism.

You need to get yourself into therapy, or at least get yourself
checked out for your own sake. Of course there _is_ the danger that
they could all be against you too, and gang up on you and put you in a
rubber room because they'd be afraid of having to grapple with your
Herculean intellect.

Oh well...

--
John Fields

 

[Dan Fraser]

Boy Jim, did you ever stir up a hornet's nest.However, he's right. We had no
business being there. It was internal business of the people there whether
to remove Saddam from power.

And don't give us that crap about being free because we invaded Iraq. We're
free because we defeated Germany and because we brought the USSR to its
knees. Iraq was no more a threat to our freedom or security than the Smurfs.
All we have to do is maintain such an overwhelming military that we had
annihilate anyone who actualy attacks us. And wipe them out when they do
attack. However, Iraq wasn't a threat to us.

This war was made up by Bush and company for reasons that will likely never
see the light of day.

 

[Reg Edwards]

This war was made up by Bush and company for reasons that will likely
never
see the light of day.

================================

How naive can you get?

OIL and the pipelines.

What a glorious victory it has been!