Ion it USB turntable

[josephkk]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:42:33 -0500, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:58:54 -0500, klem kedidelhopper wrote
(in article
5cdb407d-c34a-4378-82bd-e466887d9603@w1g2000vba.googlegroups.com&gt:

In my opinion you're just
asking to have your records ruined.

You know, I see that comment all the time and I wonder what the basis
for it is. I know about the tracking pressure, how good the needle is,
etc. But you are just playing it _once_ for crikey's sake. And, if
you are converting them to digital, you probably don't have an more use
for the vinyl anyway.

Pretty much true, but there is always resale value. Original vinyl in
very good condition gets a much better price. And sometimes i have to do
a second capture due to a gonk or other problem in the first one. Decent
equipment always does the job better than crap.

?-)

 

[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

josephkk wrote:

Pretty much true, but there is always resale value. Original vinyl in
very good condition gets a much better price. And sometimes i have to do
a second capture due to a gonk or other problem in the first one. Decent
equipment always does the job better than crap.

About 10 years ago a gradute student did a project (I assume for a master's
thesis) where he developed software to "read" the music from a disk
by scanning it using a desktop scanner and processing the raw scanned file.

From what I remember researching it a few years ago, it never went any farther.

IMHO it would bear revisiting because of the improved scanners we have today
(although there are very few ones that can accomodate a 12 inch LP) and
the improved computers. There also has been more research in such things,
but not this one application.

Considering that even with good equipment there is a small amount of wear
caused by the stylus reading the disk and an optical scanner causes none,
one could scan the disk 10 or even 100 times and combine them to improve
accuracy.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM
My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlorian count. :-(

 

[Nelson]

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 03:09:04 -0500, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote
(in article <slrnjchdam.82n.gsm@cable.mendelson.com&gt:

josephkk wrote:

Pretty much true, but there is always resale value. Original vinyl in
very good condition gets a much better price. And sometimes i have to do
a second capture due to a gonk or other problem in the first one. Decent
equipment always does the job better than crap.

About 10 years ago a gradute student did a project (I assume for a master's
thesis) where he developed software to "read" the music from a disk
by scanning it using a desktop scanner and processing the raw scanned file.

From what I remember researching it a few years ago, it never went any
farther.

IMHO it would bear revisiting because of the improved scanners we have today
(although there are very few ones that can accomodate a 12 inch LP) and
the improved computers. There also has been more research in such things,
but not this one application.

Considering that even with good equipment there is a small amount of wear
caused by the stylus reading the disk and an optical scanner causes none,
one could scan the disk 10 or even 100 times and combine them to improve
accuracy.

Geoff.

Actually there are a lot of people doing this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable

There is even a guy who can recover sound from photographs of old
records

--
Nelson

 

[Nelson]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 22:17:28 -0500, josephkk wrote
(in article <s3sgc7t7os7scbidpovmcjp5n5tucifamu@4ax.com&gt:

[snip]

Decent equipment always does the job better than crap.

True, but then financial reality always intrudes and we are forced to
deal with trade-offs

--
Nelson

 

[William Sommerwerck]

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On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:05:35 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

If all else fails, bypass the circuitry and just wire the cartridge up
to the RCA output sockets, then you can use the deck like a 'normal
'TT with any amp having a Phono input.

This unit probably has a ceramic pickup. If so, that won't work.

Really? Has anybody made those in the past 50 years?

99% of all stereo consoles used ceramic pickups. Almost all USB turntables
use ceramic pickups.

 

[chuck]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 06:58:54 -0800 (PST), klem kedidelhopper
<captainvideo462009@gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 18, 1:47 pm, n...@jecarter.us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:07:05 -0800 (PST), klem kedidelhopper

captainvideo462...@gmail.com> wrote:
Got this thing in for repair. It has no output from either the RCA
cables on line or phono out or the USB out. The interface board has a
great deal of smt circuitry on it and I'm thinking that this is
probably a waste of time but I had to ask. Anyone ever worked on one
of these? Thanks, Lenny

Not sure it's worth the effort to repair.  You can get a USB turntable
for $35US plus shipping:

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=VS-2002-SPK

I copy my albums to cassette. With my hearing I'd never realize any
benefit going to the computer. If I was personally interested in
copying my LP's to digital though I don't think I'd buy one of these
cheapie turntables in the first place. In my opinion you're just
asking to have your records ruined. Rather to preserve my records, I
would want to use my nice Thorens turntable with a magnetic cartridge
that tracks at less than a gram, with with anti skating, etc along
with some kind of an analog to digital converter. There must be some
type of "black box" converter that will take either an RIAA phono
signal direct from the cartridge, or a line level signal perhaps from
the tape out of an amp and convert it to digital. Lenny
It is usually better to track at above 1 gram. I have found that

setting tracking to less than a gram damages a record more than using
a higher setting. (The stylus has a tendency to lose contact with the
record and when the stylus lands it gouges out pieces of vinyl.) Chuck

 

[josephkk]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:48:48 +0000, Peter Hill
<peter.usenet1@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 16:34:37 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote:



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I copy my albums to cassette. With my hearing I'd never realize any
benefit going to the computer. If I was personally interested in
copying my LP's to digital though I don't think I'd buy one of these
cheapie turntables in the first place. In my opinion you're just
asking to have your records ruined. Rather to preserve my records, I
would want to use my nice Thorens turntable with a magnetic cartridge
that tracks at less than a gram, with with anti skating, etc along
with some kind of an analog to digital converter. There must be some
type of "black box" converter that will take either an RIAA phono
signal direct from the cartridge, or a line level signal perhaps from
the tape out of an amp and convert it to digital.

Try this.

http://www.parasound.com/ParasoundZ/zphonoUSB.php



Or perhaps this if the Parasound is a little O.T.T.

http://www.studiospares.com/audio-interfaces/behringer-u-phono-ufo202/invt/382390/?source=215_73&gclid=CM3rz56Qw6wCFUEb4QodOniRpg


Gareth.

That's expensive. OK it's got a pre-amp so you don't have to use line
and an output (like what computer with USB doesn't have sound built
in?) but I think it's the copy of Audacity vinyl restoration that
costs.

Audacity as i know it, comes free with Linux. Which one are you talking
about?

Video + audio capture Ł4.60.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0011N9QNC/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=103612307&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B002H3BSCM&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=1YEVDN19JPPGH9MN8D3F

Anyone know of freeware click remover etc?

 

[Mark Zacharias]

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On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:05:35 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

If all else fails, bypass the circuitry and just wire the cartridge up
to the RCA output sockets, then you can use the deck like a 'normal
'TT with any amp having a Phono input.

This unit probably has a ceramic pickup. If so, that won't work.

Really? Has anybody made those in the past 50 years?

99% of all stereo consoles used ceramic pickups. Almost all USB turntables
use ceramic pickups.

There is no need for a preamp if it's ceramic, even if the cartridge output
goes into a built-in DAC. If there's a switch for a built-in phono preamp,
it's a magnetic cartridge. I've seen a lot of Audio Technica (or clone)
cheapies used for this, but I've not seen the Ion.

Problem is, the newer plastic tables are utter crap, even to the point of
resonating audibly as the record plays.

My recomendation is to refurbish an older (REAL) turntable and run it
through a USB preamp, but I realize that these days, many people are simply
wanting a simple, "Plug-n-Play" solution.

Mark Z.

 

[b]

On Nov 21, 7:19 pm, chuck <ch...@deja.net> wrote:

  It is usually better to track at above 1 gram.

....or even better, track at the cartridge manufacturer's recommended
weight! The specs for most carts are available online.

Most magnetic carts track somewhere between 1-5 - 3.5g.
The damage caused by tracking weight set too low comes from the tip
rattling about in the upper part of the 'groove' and bouncing off the
groove walls, instead of following a proper path in good contact with
each side.

-B