Ion it USB turntable

klem kedidelhopper · Nov 16, 2011

Got this thing in for repair. It has no output from either the RCA
cables on line or phono out or the USB out. The interface board has a
great deal of smt circuitry on it and I'm thinking that this is
probably a waste of time but I had to ask. Anyone ever worked on one
of these? Thanks, Lenny

Gareth Magennis · Nov 16, 2011

"klem kedidelhopper" <captainvideo462009@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e13da6f1-739c-4ffb-a2bf-6fc0a1dce7af@m7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...

Got this thing in for repair. It has no output from either the RCA
cables on line or phono out or the USB out. The interface board has a
great deal of smt circuitry on it and I'm thinking that this is
probably a waste of time but I had to ask. Anyone ever worked on one
of these? Thanks, Lenny

My method would be first to measure the power supplies at the smt op-amp
pins to make sure they are there.

Second to make sure there is an output from the cartridge to the circuitry -
inject a signal into the circuitry to check this, or just your finger to
make a buzz.

If none of the above you are indeed probably wasting your time.

Gareth.

klem kedidelhopper · Nov 17, 2011

On Nov 16, 5:17 pm, "Gareth Magennis" <sound.serv...@btconnect.com>
wrote:

"klem kedidelhopper" <captainvideo462...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Got this thing in for repair. It has no output from either the RCA
cables on line or phono out or the USB out. The interface board has a
great deal of smt circuitry on it and I'm thinking that this is
probably a waste of time but I had to ask. Anyone ever worked on one
of these? Thanks, Lenny

My method would be first to measure the power supplies at the smt op-amp
pins to make sure they are there.

Second to make sure there is an output from the cartridge to the circuitry -
inject a signal into the circuitry to check this, or just your finger to
make a buzz.

If none of the above you are indeed probably wasting your time.

Gareth.

The power supply appears to be working. I'm not certain its putting
out the correct voltages, but I'll look at it again. I have a feeling
though that this pos is just another throw away. Thanks, Lenny

Gareth Magennis · Nov 17, 2011

"klem kedidelhopper" <captainvideo462009@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 16, 5:17 pm, "Gareth Magennis" <sound.serv...@btconnect.com
wrote:
"klem kedidelhopper" <captainvideo462...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Got this thing in for repair. It has no output from either the RCA
cables on line or phono out or the USB out. The interface board has a
great deal of smt circuitry on it and I'm thinking that this is
probably a waste of time but I had to ask. Anyone ever worked on one
of these? Thanks, Lenny

My method would be first to measure the power supplies at the smt op-amp
pins to make sure they are there.

Second to make sure there is an output from the cartridge to the
circuitry -
inject a signal into the circuitry to check this, or just your finger to
make a buzz.

If none of the above you are indeed probably wasting your time.

Gareth.

The power supply appears to be working. I'm not certain its putting
out the correct voltages, but I'll look at it again. I have a feeling
though that this pos is just another throw away. Thanks, Lenny

Yes, power supply is a likely candidate - find the regulators for the
digital stuff, there may be 2 or 3 different voltages required, unlike the
old days when everything ran off 5v.

Gareth.

b · Nov 18, 2011

On Nov 16, 10:07 pm, klem kedidelhopper <captainvideo462...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Got this thing in for repair. It has no output from either the RCA
cables on line or phono out or the USB out. The interface board has a
great deal of smt circuitry on it and I'm thinking that this is
probably a waste of time but I had to ask. Anyone ever worked on one
of these? Thanks, Lenny

If all else fails, bypass the circuitry and just wire the cartridge up
to the RCA output sockets, then you can use the deck like a 'normal
'TT with any amp having a Phono input.

-b

klem kedidelhopper · Nov 18, 2011

On Nov 17, 6:03 pm, b <reverend_rog...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 16, 10:07 pm, klem kedidelhopper <captainvideo462...@gmail.com
wrote:

Got this thing in for repair. It has no output from either the RCA
cables on line or phono out or the USB out. The interface board has a
great deal of smt circuitry on it and I'm thinking that this is
probably a waste of time but I had to ask. Anyone ever worked on one
of these? Thanks, Lenny

If all else fails, bypass the circuitry and just wire the cartridge up
to the RCA output sockets, then you can use the deck like a 'normal
'TT with any amp having a Phono input.

-b

I would do it if it was mine but I don't think the customer has a
stereo system. Lenny

William Sommerwerck · Nov 18, 2011

If all else fails, bypass the circuitry and just wire the cartridge up
to the RCA output sockets, then you can use the deck like a 'normal
'TT with any amp having a Phono input.

This unit probably has a ceramic pickup. If so, that won't work.

Peter Hill · Nov 18, 2011

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:50:30 -0800 (PST), klem kedidelhopper
<captainvideo462009@gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 17, 6:03 pm, b <reverend_rog...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 16, 10:07 pm, klem kedidelhopper <captainvideo462...@gmail.com
wrote:

Got this thing in for repair. It has no output from either the RCA
cables on line or phono out or the USB out. The interface board has a
great deal of smt circuitry on it and I'm thinking that this is
probably a waste of time but I had to ask. Anyone ever worked on one
of these? Thanks, Lenny

If all else fails, bypass the circuitry and just wire the cartridge up
to the RCA output sockets, then you can use the deck like a 'normal
'TT with any amp having a Phono input.

-b

I would do it if it was mine but I don't think the customer has a
stereo system. Lenny

If they are making MP3s from vinyl they must have a computer to copy
the MP3s to a MP3 player.
It will have an audio input and sound recorder app.
So only need a codec to save the recorded input as an MP3. (which they
probably already have)
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Nov 18, 2011

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:07:05 -0800 (PST), klem kedidelhopper
<captainvideo462009@gmail.com> wrote:

Got this thing in for repair. It has no output from either the RCA
cables on line or phono out or the USB out. The interface board has a
great deal of smt circuitry on it and I'm thinking that this is
probably a waste of time but I had to ask. Anyone ever worked on one
of these? Thanks, Lenny

Not sure it's worth the effort to repair. You can get a USB turntable
for $35US plus shipping:

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=VS-2002-SPK

William Sommerwerck · Nov 19, 2011

"klem kedidelhopper" <captainvideo462009@gmail.com>
wrote in message
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I copy my albums to cassette. With my hearing I'd never realize any
benefit going to the computer. If I was personally interested in
copying my LP's to digital though I don't think I'd buy one of these
cheapie turntables in the first place. In my opinion you're just
asking to have your records ruined. Rather to preserve my records, I
would want to use my nice Thorens turntable with a magnetic cartridge
that tracks at less than a gram, with with anti skating, etc along
with some kind of an analog to digital converter. There must be some
type of "black box" converter that will take either an RIAA phono
signal direct from the cartridge, or a line level signal perhaps from
the tape out of an amp and convert it to digital.

Try this.

http://www.parasound.com/ParasoundZ/zphonoUSB.php

Disclaimer: Except for my Vendetta head amp, my tuner, controller, and power
amps are Parasound. I'm very friendly with the company, and John Curl, who
designed my head amp and power amps. I have no hesitation recommending
Parasound products.

klem kedidelhopper · Nov 19, 2011

On Nov 18, 1:47 pm, n...@jecarter.us wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:07:05 -0800 (PST), klem kedidelhopper

captainvideo462...@gmail.com> wrote:
Got this thing in for repair. It has no output from either the RCA
cables on line or phono out or the USB out. The interface board has a
great deal of smt circuitry on it and I'm thinking that this is
probably a waste of time but I had to ask. Anyone ever worked on one
of these? Thanks, Lenny

Not sure it's worth the effort to repair. You can get a USB turntable
for $35US plus shipping:

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=VS-2002-SPK

I copy my albums to cassette. With my hearing I'd never realize any
benefit going to the computer. If I was personally interested in
copying my LP's to digital though I don't think I'd buy one of these
cheapie turntables in the first place. In my opinion you're just
asking to have your records ruined. Rather to preserve my records, I
would want to use my nice Thorens turntable with a magnetic cartridge
that tracks at less than a gram, with with anti skating, etc along
with some kind of an analog to digital converter. There must be some
type of "black box" converter that will take either an RIAA phono
signal direct from the cartridge, or a line level signal perhaps from
the tape out of an amp and convert it to digital. Lenny

Gareth Magennis · Nov 19, 2011

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"klem kedidelhopper" <captainvideo462009@gmail.com
wrote in message
news:5cdb407d-c34a-4378-82bd-e466887d9603@w1g2000vba.googlegroups.com...

I copy my albums to cassette. With my hearing I'd never realize any
benefit going to the computer. If I was personally interested in
copying my LP's to digital though I don't think I'd buy one of these
cheapie turntables in the first place. In my opinion you're just
asking to have your records ruined. Rather to preserve my records, I
would want to use my nice Thorens turntable with a magnetic cartridge
that tracks at less than a gram, with with anti skating, etc along
with some kind of an analog to digital converter. There must be some
type of "black box" converter that will take either an RIAA phono
signal direct from the cartridge, or a line level signal perhaps from
the tape out of an amp and convert it to digital.

Try this.

http://www.parasound.com/ParasoundZ/zphonoUSB.php

Or perhaps this if the Parasound is a little O.T.T.

http://www.studiospares.com/audio-interfaces/behringer-u-phono-ufo202/invt/382390/?source=215_73&gclid=CM3rz56Qw6wCFUEb4QodOniRpg

Gareth.

Nelson · Nov 19, 2011

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:58:54 -0500, klem kedidelhopper wrote
(in article
<5cdb407d-c34a-4378-82bd-e466887d9603@w1g2000vba.googlegroups.com&gt

:

In my opinion you're just
asking to have your records ruined.

You know, I see that comment all the time and I wonder what the basis
for it is. I know about the tracking pressure, how good the needle is,
etc. But you are just playing it _once_ for crikey's sake. And, if
you are converting them to digital, you probably don't have an more use
for the vinyl anyway.

--
Nelson

William Sommerwerck · Nov 19, 2011

"Nelson" <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:58:54 -0500, klem kedidelhopper wrote
(in article
5cdb407d-c34a-4378-82bd-e466887d9603@w1g2000vba.googlegroups.com&gt:

In my opinion you're just
asking to have your records ruined.

You know, I see that comment all the time and I wonder what the basis
for it is. I know about the tracking pressure, how good the needle is,
etc. But you are just playing it _once_ for crikey's sake. And if you are
converting them to digital, you probably don't have any more use for the
vinyl, anyway.

Which is all the more reason for making a really good transfer. Record
damage or not, a cheap ceramic pickup is not going to give the sound quality
of a decent magnetic pickup. The catch, of course, is that a good 'table,
pickup, preamp, ADC, etc, aren't cheap.

Peter Hill · Nov 19, 2011

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 16:34:37 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
<sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote:

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I copy my albums to cassette. With my hearing I'd never realize any
benefit going to the computer. If I was personally interested in
copying my LP's to digital though I don't think I'd buy one of these
cheapie turntables in the first place. In my opinion you're just
asking to have your records ruined. Rather to preserve my records, I
would want to use my nice Thorens turntable with a magnetic cartridge
that tracks at less than a gram, with with anti skating, etc along
with some kind of an analog to digital converter. There must be some
type of "black box" converter that will take either an RIAA phono
signal direct from the cartridge, or a line level signal perhaps from
the tape out of an amp and convert it to digital.

Try this.

http://www.parasound.com/ParasoundZ/zphonoUSB.php

Or perhaps this if the Parasound is a little O.T.T.

http://www.studiospares.com/audio-interfaces/behringer-u-phono-ufo202/invt/382390/?source=215_73&gclid=CM3rz56Qw6wCFUEb4QodOniRpg

Gareth.

That's expensive. OK it's got a pre-amp so you don't have to use line
and an output (like what computer with USB doesn't have sound built
in?) but I think it's the copy of Audacity vinyl restoration that
costs.

Video + audio capture Ł4.60.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0011N9QNC/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=103612307&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B002H3BSCM&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=1YEVDN19JPPGH9MN8D3F

Anyone know of freeware click remover etc?
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Gareth Magennis · Nov 19, 2011

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I copy my albums to cassette. With my hearing I'd never realize any
benefit going to the computer. If I was personally interested in
copying my LP's to digital though I don't think I'd buy one of these
cheapie turntables in the first place. In my opinion you're just
asking to have your records ruined. Rather to preserve my records, I
would want to use my nice Thorens turntable with a magnetic cartridge
that tracks at less than a gram, with with anti skating, etc along
with some kind of an analog to digital converter. There must be some
type of "black box" converter that will take either an RIAA phono
signal direct from the cartridge, or a line level signal perhaps from
the tape out of an amp and convert it to digital.

Try this.

http://www.parasound.com/ParasoundZ/zphonoUSB.php

Or perhaps this if the Parasound is a little O.T.T.

http://www.studiospares.com/audio-interfaces/behringer-u-phono-ufo202/invt/382390/?source=215_73&gclid=CM3rz56Qw6wCFUEb4QodOniRpg

Gareth.

That's expensive. OK it's got a pre-amp so you don't have to use line
and an output (like what computer with USB doesn't have sound built
in?) but I think it's the copy of Audacity vinyl restoration that
costs.

Video + audio capture Ł4.60.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0011N9QNC/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=103612307&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B002H3BSCM&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=1YEVDN19JPPGH9MN8D3F

As far as I can tell, that Amazon unit is not a phono pre-amp, it is a line
amp, and will not work at all well with a turntable.

Gareth.

Michael A. Terrell · Nov 19, 2011

Peter Hill wrote:

Anyone know of freeware click remover etc?

Older versions of 'Cool Edit', from before Adobe bought it.

--
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josephkk · Nov 20, 2011

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:03:15 +0000, Peter Hill
<peter.usenet1@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:50:30 -0800 (PST), klem kedidelhopper
captainvideo462009@gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 17, 6:03 pm, b <reverend_rog...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 16, 10:07 pm, klem kedidelhopper <captainvideo462...@gmail.com
wrote:

Got this thing in for repair. It has no output from either the RCA
cables on line or phono out or the USB out. The interface board has a
great deal of smt circuitry on it and I'm thinking that this is
probably a waste of time but I had to ask. Anyone ever worked on one
of these? Thanks, Lenny

If all else fails, bypass the circuitry and just wire the cartridge up
to the RCA output sockets, then you can use the deck like a 'normal
'TT with any amp having a Phono input.

-b

I would do it if it was mine but I don't think the customer has a
stereo system. Lenny

If they are making MP3s from vinyl they must have a computer to copy
the MP3s to a MP3 player.
It will have an audio input and sound recorder app.
So only need a codec to save the recorded input as an MP3. (which they
probably already have)

It is likely not to be mp3 coming down the USB but wav, raw 16 bit 44.1
kHz sampling, the rest done on the PC.

?-)

josephkk · Nov 20, 2011

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:05:35 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

If all else fails, bypass the circuitry and just wire the cartridge up
to the RCA output sockets, then you can use the deck like a 'normal
'TT with any amp having a Phono input.

This unit probably has a ceramic pickup. If so, that won't work.

Really? Has anybody made those in the past 50 years?

?-)

josephkk · Nov 20, 2011

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 06:58:54 -0800 (PST), klem kedidelhopper
<captainvideo462009@gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 18, 1:47 pm, n...@jecarter.us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:07:05 -0800 (PST), klem kedidelhopper

captainvideo462...@gmail.com> wrote:
Got this thing in for repair. It has no output from either the RCA
cables on line or phono out or the USB out. The interface board has a
great deal of smt circuitry on it and I'm thinking that this is
probably a waste of time but I had to ask. Anyone ever worked on one
of these? Thanks, Lenny

Not sure it's worth the effort to repair. You can get a USB turntable
for $35US plus shipping:

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=VS-2002-SPK

I copy my albums to cassette. With my hearing I'd never realize any
benefit going to the computer. If I was personally interested in
copying my LP's to digital though I don't think I'd buy one of these
cheapie turntables in the first place. In my opinion you're just
asking to have your records ruined. Rather to preserve my records, I
would want to use my nice Thorens turntable with a magnetic cartridge
that tracks at less than a gram, with with anti skating, etc along
with some kind of an analog to digital converter. There must be some
type of "black box" converter that will take either an RIAA phono
signal direct from the cartridge, or a line level signal perhaps from
the tape out of an amp and convert it to digital. Lenny

Both forms are readily available in a wide variety of price and in quality
(which do not track).

?-)

Ion it USB turntable

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