Internet Exporer in trouble again

[geoff]

Mike Silva wrote:

On Dec 17, 7:04 pm, "MoiInAust" <u...@user.com> wrote:
"Mike Silva" <snarflem...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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On Dec 17, 5:30 pm, CBFalconer <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Don McKenzie wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1095266/Web-panic-flaw-lets-c...

warning about IE virus attack once again, this one sounds severe.

The following quote, from the above URL, is the typical Microsoft
fear mechanism, for the ignorant.

John Curran, head of Microsoft's Windows commercial business group
in the UK, said the company was 'working around the clock' to fix
the problem. He said that people who switch to a rival browser may
find they face different, more serious, security loopholes.

Yeah, I thought that was a really contemptible comment.

Very. A bit OT I know, but how can I determine whether I have the
latest update. Using the About... option under Help just gives me a
list of files. No 'latest update' date or self-explanatory version
number

Go to Tools-->Windows Update

And , from
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7788687.stm

"Meanwhile Mozilla has released a scheduled update for its open source
Firefox web browsers for at least 10 different vulnerabilities."

geoff

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Eeyore wrote:

Don McKenzie wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1095266/Web-panic-flaw-lets-criminals-computer.html

warning about IE virus attack once again, this one sounds severe.

I use Opera except for non-W3C compliant sites which may require IE.

Authors of HTML code that does not conform to W3C standards should be SHOT.
http://www.w3.org/

So, when the W3C change their minds AGAIN as to what conforms, all
the people who conformed before the changes should be shot? And you
call the US bloodthirsty.


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[Davo]

Bob Parker wrote:

On 17/12/2008 18:25 Don McKenzie wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1095266/Web-panic-flaw-lets-criminals-computer.html


warning about IE virus attack once again, this one sounds severe.

Don...




It's not 'Internet Exporer', it's 'Internet Exploder'.

All the more reason to run Firefox!






Google Chrome works well, and it's a much faster browser.

 

[Mike Silva]

On Dec 17, 7:04 pm, "MoiInAust" <u...@user.com> wrote:

"Mike Silva" <snarflem...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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On Dec 17, 5:30 pm, CBFalconer <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Don McKenzie wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1095266/Web-panic-flaw-lets-c....

warning about IE virus attack once again, this one sounds severe.

The following quote, from the above URL, is the typical Microsoft
fear mechanism, for the ignorant.

John Curran, head of Microsoft's Windows commercial business group
in the UK, said the company was 'working around the clock' to fix
the problem. He said that people who switch to a rival browser may
find they face different, more serious, security loopholes.

Yeah, I thought that was a really contemptible comment.

Very.  A bit OT I know, but how can I determine whether I have the latest
update. Using the About... option under Help just gives me a list of files.
No 'latest update' date or self-explanatory version number

Go to Tools-->Windows Update

 

[kreed]

I have been using Firefox for years now
There are no websites I have used that need
IE anymore.


This sort of thing is one of the reasons for the shift, apart
from IE being in the stone age re; features compared to FF



On Dec 17, 5:25 pm, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1095266/Web-panic-flaw-lets-c...

warning about IE virus attack once again, this one sounds severe.

Don...

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[rickman]

On Dec 17, 9:16 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Don McKenzie wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1095266/Web-panic-flaw-lets-c...

warning about IE virus attack once again, this one sounds severe.

I use Opera except for non-W3C compliant sites which may require IE.

Authors of HTML code that does not conform to W3C standards should be SHOT.http://www.w3.org/

The bizarre thing is that if you contact them and explain that their
web page does not conform to standards, they will tell you that "it
works fine with IE" as if that was the universal standard!!!
Fortunately the companies I have to deal with, like the bank and
credit card companies seem to understand that IE is not the only
"true" web browser.

Rick

 

[Don McKenzie]

kreed wrote:

I have been using Firefox for years now
There are no websites I have used that need
IE anymore.

I have used FF for years also, however too many program launch IE
without your control over it.

I heard more reports that the virus only affects Windozer V7.

Don...


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[Andrew Smallshaw]

On 2008-12-18, kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote:

I have been using Firefox for years now
There are no websites I have used that need
IE anymore.

I still encounter a few. Not sites that really are incompatible,
but the ones that look at the user agent header and refuse to play
ball with anything that is not IE. User agent switcher takes care
of those and also adds the handy capability to appear to be a Google
bot...

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[geoff]

kreed wrote:

I have been using Firefox for years now
There are no websites I have used that need
IE anymore.


This sort of thing is one of the reasons for the shift, apart
from IE being in the stone age re; features compared to FF

How do you know ?

geoff

 

[CBFalconer]

geoff wrote:

kreed wrote:

I have been using Firefox for years now. There are no websites
I have used that need IE anymore.

This sort of thing is one of the reasons for the shift, apart
from IE being in the stone age re; features compared to FF

How do you know ?

I suspect he has performed the complicated task of entering the URL
and seeing if the resultant display appears to be coherent.

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Try the download section.

 

[geoff]

CBFalconer wrote:

geoff wrote:
kreed wrote:

I have been using Firefox for years now. There are no websites
I have used that need IE anymore.

This sort of thing is one of the reasons for the shift, apart
from IE being in the stone age re; features compared to FF

How do you know ?

I suspect he has performed the complicated task of entering the URL
and seeing if the resultant display appears to be coherent.

How does that demonstrate the relative 'features' of a browser he does not
use and/or in unfamiliar with ?

geoff

 

[Don McKenzie]

Don McKenzie wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1095266/Web-panic-flaw-lets-criminals-computer.html


warning about IE virus attack once again, this one sounds severe.

Don...

and I get so many chunks of software that go fetches IE, even if you
have FF set as your default browser.

You buy software, go fetch help when needed, and IE magically opens up.
:-(


Don...





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[David Brown]

geoff wrote:

CBFalconer wrote:
geoff wrote:
kreed wrote:

I have been using Firefox for years now. There are no websites
I have used that need IE anymore.

This sort of thing is one of the reasons for the shift, apart
from IE being in the stone age re; features compared to FF
How do you know ?
I suspect he has performed the complicated task of entering the URL
and seeing if the resultant display appears to be coherent.

How does that demonstrate the relative 'features' of a browser he does not
use and/or in unfamiliar with ?

I don't know about IE being quite "stone age", but as a long-term
Firefox and Opera user, it is always a painful experience if I have to
use IE for some reason. IE just feels so much slower and more awkward,
it's annoying to have all these adverts (compared to Adblock Plus on
Firefox), and it's annoying to have to use Google's standard pages
(compared to cusomisegoogle on FireFox). And apparently IE *still* has
trouble with simple downloads - if the file on the website has changed,
but not the URL, IE gets confused when you try to download the new version!

The reason IE is banned at our office is its security problems. The
reason no one complains about the ban is that everyone agrees that
Firefox and Opera are vastly better.

 

[David Brown]

Don McKenzie wrote:

Don McKenzie wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1095266/Web-panic-flaw-lets-criminals-computer.html


warning about IE virus attack once again, this one sounds severe.

Don...

and I get so many chunks of software that go fetches IE, even if you
have FF set as your default browser.

You buy software, go fetch help when needed, and IE magically opens up.
:-(

You have to make sure the IE settings for the "Internet zone" are set to
the highest level. Help browsers shouldn't need ActiveX and all that
junk, and normally work fine.

 

[Michael]

Don McKenzie wrote:

Don McKenzie wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1095266/Web-panic-flaw-lets-criminals-computer.html


warning about IE virus attack once again, this one sounds severe.

Don...

and I get so many chunks of software that go fetches IE, even if you
have FF set as your default browser.

You buy software, go fetch help when needed, and IE magically opens up.
:-(

Don...

What other good reasons _not_ to use 'Doze can we think of?

"You knew I was a snake
when you took me in."
(From a once-popular tune. I don't recall the title.)

 

[kreed]

On Dec 19, 9:28 pm, David Brown
<david.br...@hesbynett.removethisbit.no> wrote:

geoff wrote:
CBFalconer wrote:
geoff wrote:
kreed wrote:

I have been using Firefox for years now.  There are no websites
I have used that need IE anymore.

This sort of thing is one of the reasons for the shift, apart
from IE being in the stone age re; features compared to FF
How do you know ?
I suspect he has performed the complicated task of entering the URL
and seeing if the resultant display appears to be coherent.

How  does that demonstrate the relative 'features' of a browser he does not
use and/or in unfamiliar with ?

I don't know about IE being quite "stone age", but as a long-term
Firefox and Opera user, it is always a painful experience if I have to
use IE for some reason.  IE just feels so much slower and more awkward,
it's annoying to have all these adverts (compared to Adblock Plus on
Firefox), and it's annoying to have to use Google's standard pages
(compared to cusomisegoogle on FireFox).  And apparently IE *still* has
trouble with simple downloads - if the file on the website has changed,
but not the URL, IE gets confused when you try to download the new version!

The reason IE is banned at our office is its security problems.  The
reason no one complains about the ban is that everyone agrees that
Firefox and Opera are vastly better.

You have basically said what I felt about it when I made the"stoneage"
comment.
Like many Microsoft products, its just more "painful" and clumsy to
use,
little thought or effort seems to have gone into making
it "easy" or "friendly" for the average person.


I haven't used Opera for about 3-4 years, it was good except that
there were just too many sites (at the time)
that it had problems opening or displaying. Internet banking was also
a problem.

When Im in a public location, or at another computer that has only IE,
these differences are
painfully obvious. My wife still uses it sometimes for unknown reasons
though .

 

[David Brown]

Michael wrote:

Don McKenzie wrote:
Don McKenzie wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1095266/Web-panic-flaw-lets-criminals-computer.html


warning about IE virus attack once again, this one sounds severe.

Don...
and I get so many chunks of software that go fetches IE, even if you
have FF set as your default browser.

You buy software, go fetch help when needed, and IE magically opens up.
:-(

Don...


What other good reasons _not_ to use 'Doze can we think of?

"You knew I was a snake
when you took me in."
(From a once-popular tune. I don't recall the title.)

There are plenty of good reasons to use Windows, and plenty of good
reasons to use something else - the best choice depends on who you are,
what you want to do, and how you want to do it, as well as obvious
things like hardware and software support. Windows has its place, as
does Linux, MacOS, BSD, and other OS's. Anyone who insists that a
particular OS is *always* the right choice, or always the wrong choice,
is being fanatical.

On the other hand, saying IE is *never* the right choice is not
fanatical - it's simple fact

 

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There are plenty of good reasons to use Windows, and plenty of good
reasons to use something else - the best choice depends on who you are,
what you want to do, and how you want to do it, as well as obvious
things like hardware and software support. Windows has its place, as
does Linux, MacOS, BSD, and other OS's. Anyone who insists that a
particular OS is *always* the right choice, or always the wrong choice,
is being fanatical.

On the other hand, saying IE is *never* the right choice is not
fanatical - it's simple fact

Couldn't have put it better myself

Though I only boot a Virtual MSWindows when called to help someone over
the phone, MSWindows still has its place for various people due to the
application(s) needed that are not available on other platforms.


However I try to get everyone to use Mozilla's Firefox/Seamonkey or
Opera as IE is simply dangerous.

Cheers
Ian B Manners

 

[Chris H]

In message <zdednaLcKKUgJtHUnZ2dnUVZ8hKdnZ2d@lyse.net>, David Brown
<david.brown@hesbynett.removethisbit.no> writes

On the other hand, saying IE is *never* the right choice is not
fanatical - it's simple fact

Sounds fanatical to me.

Currently using Safari, Opera and IE (on Windows, OSx and Solaris )

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[RumpelStiltSkin]

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In message <zdednaLcKKUgJtHUnZ2dnUVZ8hKdnZ2d@lyse.net>, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.removethisbit.no> writes

On the other hand, saying IE is *never* the right choice is not
fanatical - it's simple fact

Sounds fanatical to me.

What's the alternative? Firefox?
Firefox got number one position in apps that have security holes.