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[Rod Speed]

"Will S" <wlsuttonrenove@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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quietguy wrote:

Hey Michael - didn't you see that I was just having a joke? Though of
course I was
having a shot at union scumbags who would be happy to sit on their bums and
wait

David


Unions are a sore spot with me.

I worked at a unionized defense plant doing QA work which was a non
union job. They were talking about striking when the president of the
union told me she would slash the tires on my car if I came in to work.
I smiled and told her I would gladly run over her in the parking lot if
I saw a her with a knife, and that I was spreading the word about the
threats. Soldering was a union only job there. The production
supervisor went to my boss one night and asked if he could "Borrow" me
for an hour or so. I went to the rework area and saw the ladies trying
to solder the case of a large transformer to a circuit board used in the
PRC-77. He told me they had spent four hours trying to do the repairs.
The union steward was standing there glaring at me. I asked if I was
allowed to show them the proper way to do the job. They agreed so I did
the first one, then grinned at the production supervisor and said, I'm
only going to show them one more time as I did the second one. The
union steward tried to have me fired.


Several years later the IBEW tried to unionize the Cable TV company I
worked for. They promised me $2 an hour less than I was making, three
weeks less vacation and all for around $200 a month in dues. I told him
the owner would never allow a union, and I wasn't going to lose $4160 in
pay, pay another $2400 in dues and lose three weeks vacation that i
could sell back to the company.

Some Unions may have retards in them

They all do.

but if it wasn't for unions you would be working for peanuts in conditions
that you wouldn't have animals living in.

Complete pig ignorant drivel.

The problem is I guess that Unions have obtained as much as they are going to
get in terms of conditions for the workers and they have to change but I would
still prefer an outdated Union then none at all.

More fool you.

And yes you may get more money now without the union but without unions you
wouldn't be in that position.

Complete pig ignorant drivel. Most obviously with
the IT industry that never bothered with those fools.

People like you are just as bad as the unionist you describe ie. you cant see
past the end of your noses

You in spades. No surprise that you need a union.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Will S wrote:

Some Unions may have retards in them but if it wasn't for unions you would
be working for peanuts in conditions that you wouldn't have animals living
in. The problem is I guess that Unions have obtained as much as they are
going to get in terms of conditions for the workers and they have to change
but I would still prefer an outdated Union then none at all.

And yes you may get more money now without the union but without unions you
wouldn't be in that position. People like you are just as bad as the
unionist you describe ie. you cant see past the end of your noses.

Unions were effective about 100 years ago, before they were run by
lawyers nd criminals.


Sorry, but when I was able to work it was high tech areas where they
had to pay to get good people. Yes, unions got rid of sweat shops in
the US. Now the jobs are in third world sweat shops. I have seen
plants closed for good they day the workers signed their union papers,
and others come back to work for less money after a strike to keep their
jobs. The workers at Cincinnati Electronics went out on strike. The
owners built a new plant in Mexico and was going to send everything bu
QA and rework to the plant before the workers who managed to keep a job
cam back at half their former pay. They also gave up their seniority
and health care. Some union protection there!


Microdyne workers voted in a union, kept it for about a year and
voted it out because it cost them money and delayed every dealing
between management and the employees.


--
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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Rod Speed]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Will S wrote:

Some Unions may have retards in them but if it wasn't for unions you would
be working for peanuts in conditions that you wouldn't have animals living
in. The problem is I guess that Unions have obtained as much as they are
going to get in terms of conditions for the workers and they have to change
but I would still prefer an outdated Union then none at all.

And yes you may get more money now without the union but without unions you
wouldn't be in that position. People like you are just as bad as the
unionist you describe ie. you cant see past the end of your noses.

Unions were effective about 100 years ago,
before they were run by lawyers nd criminals.

They were run by both even then.

Sorry, but when I was able to work it was high tech areas where they
had to pay to get good people. Yes, unions got rid of sweat shops in
the US. Now the jobs are in third world sweat shops. I have seen
plants closed for good they day the workers signed their union papers,
and others come back to work for less money after a strike to keep their
jobs. The workers at Cincinnati Electronics went out on strike. The
owners built a new plant in Mexico and was going to send everything bu
QA and rework to the plant before the workers who managed to keep a job
cam back at half their former pay. They also gave up their seniority
and health care. Some union protection there!

Microdyne workers voted in a union, kept it for about a year and
voted it out because it cost them money and delayed every dealing
between management and the employees.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Rod Speed wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Will S wrote:

Some Unions may have retards in them but if it wasn't for unions you would
be working for peanuts in conditions that you wouldn't have animals living
in. The problem is I guess that Unions have obtained as much as they are
going to get in terms of conditions for the workers and they have to change
but I would still prefer an outdated Union then none at all.

And yes you may get more money now without the union but without unions you
wouldn't be in that position. People like you are just as bad as the
unionist you describe ie. you cant see past the end of your noses.

Unions were effective about 100 years ago,
before they were run by lawyers nd criminals.

They were run by both even then.

They weren't as blatant about it back then. They tried to project a
benevolent image to the public to get the people to join.

--
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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Rod Speed]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Will S wrote:

Some Unions may have retards in them but if it wasn't for unions you would
be working for peanuts in conditions that you wouldn't have animals living
in. The problem is I guess that Unions have obtained as much as they are
going to get in terms of conditions for the workers and they have to
change
but I would still prefer an outdated Union then none at all.

And yes you may get more money now without the union but without unions
you
wouldn't be in that position. People like you are just as bad as the
unionist you describe ie. you cant see past the end of your noses.

Unions were effective about 100 years ago,
before they were run by lawyers nd criminals.

They were run by both even then.

They weren't as blatant about it back then.

Depends on the union. Plenty of criminals in the union during the
shearing strike of 1891, right thru to torching shearing sheds.

They tried to project a benevolent image
to the public to get the people to join.

Some did, some didnt, just like now.

 

[Mr.T]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Unions were effective about 100 years ago, before they were run by
lawyers nd criminals.

True, and parliaments have never been effective, they have always been run
by lawyers and criminals.

Sorry, but when I was able to work it was high tech areas where they
had to pay to get good people. Yes, unions got rid of sweat shops in
the US. Now the jobs are in third world sweat shops. I have seen
plants closed for good they day the workers signed their union papers,
and others come back to work for less money after a strike to keep their
jobs. The workers at Cincinnati Electronics went out on strike. The
owners built a new plant in Mexico and was going to send everything bu
QA and rework to the plant before the workers who managed to keep a job
cam back at half their former pay. They also gave up their seniority
and health care.

What morons. The jobs will go to Mexico or China anyway.
I agree unions are now useless. As long as people are willing to be slaves,
there are plenty of people willing to take advantage of it.

MrT.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

"Mr.T" wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Unions were effective about 100 years ago, before they were run by
lawyers nd criminals.

True, and parliaments have never been effective, they have always been run
by lawyers and criminals.

Sorry, but when I was able to work it was high tech areas where they
had to pay to get good people. Yes, unions got rid of sweat shops in
the US. Now the jobs are in third world sweat shops. I have seen
plants closed for good they day the workers signed their union papers,
and others come back to work for less money after a strike to keep their
jobs. The workers at Cincinnati Electronics went out on strike. The
owners built a new plant in Mexico and was going to send everything bu
QA and rework to the plant before the workers who managed to keep a job
cam back at half their former pay. They also gave up their seniority
and health care.

What morons. The jobs will go to Mexico or China anyway.
I agree unions are now useless. As long as people are willing to be slaves,
there are plenty of people willing to take advantage of it.

MrT.

One of their demands when they walked out was a 50 percent raise.
There was over a 50% loss of jobs in Cincinnati before the smoke
cleared.

--
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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Mr.T]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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One of their demands when they walked out was a 50 percent raise.
There was over a 50% loss of jobs in Cincinnati before the smoke
cleared.

Yep, and it's happened even faster in non unionised factories.
If everyone worked for the same wages as the Chinese, there would be no loss
of factory jobs.
Are you prepared to work for 50c an hour? Are the factory owners?

Mr.T.

 

[quietguy]

But what about the alternative - at present the union scum are trying to shut
down the clothing sweatshops - end result is that if they do then the workers
are out of a job, no pay, and perhaps unable to meet commitments.

The union scum that casue that misery though are still getting their pay packet
each week.

Unions just don't give a damn about the workers who want to work

David

:

Will S wrote:

Some Unions may have retards in them but if it wasn't for unions you would
be working for peanuts in conditions that you wouldn't have animals living
in.

 

[quietguy]

More than just useless, they are scumbags.

In the US back in the 20's and 30's there were protection rackets, where the
heavies visited places of business and demanded a cut of the take or the place
would be 'closed down'

Sadly here in Oz we had the same racket, but it was run by the union scumbags -
when my 15 yr old daughter wanted to work in a supermarket, some union scum
insisted she hand over part of her wages each week, else she wouldn't be allowed
to work.

The same protection racket, just by a different name

David

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

I agree unions are now useless.

 

[Mr.T]

"quietguy" <david1133@REMOVE-TO-REPLYoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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But what about the alternative - at present the union scum are trying to
shut
down the clothing sweatshops - end result is that if they do then the
workers
are out of a job, no pay, and perhaps unable to meet commitments.

I'd rather that than work for 50c an hour in a high cost country like USA.
How about you? Happy to work in a sweatshop? Or are you a hypocrit?

The union scum that casue that misery though are still getting their pay
packet
each week.

Bullshit, if all their members are out of work, who is paying their wages?
Look to the politicians if you want to see the real scum problem.

Unions just don't give a damn about the workers who want to work

Very Funny!
The Multinational bosses do of course, but only if the peasants want to work
for 50c an hour while the bosses get a few million dollars a year!

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"quietguy" <david1133@REMOVE-TO-REPLYoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Sadly here in Oz we had the same racket, but it was run by the union
scumbags -
when my 15 yr old daughter wanted to work in a supermarket, some union
scum
insisted she hand over part of her wages each week, else she wouldn't be
allowed
to work.

That was John Howard and Peter Costello!

MrT.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mr.T <MrT@home> wrote in message
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quietguy <david1133@REMOVE-TO-REPLYoptusnet.com.au> wrote

But what about the alternative - at present the union
scum are trying to shut down the clothing sweatshops
- end result is that if they do then the workers are out of
a job, no pay, and perhaps unable to meet commitments.

I'd rather that than work for 50c an hour in a high cost country like USA.

You are completely irrelevant. Clearly those who work there feel differently.

How about you? Happy to work in a sweatshop? Or are you a hypocrit?

I've never been stupid enough to need that sort of work.

Plenty find that sort of work convenient, particularly if they have
kids that they can have around the house while doing it etc.

They avoid the stupid cost of 'childcare' and the cost of charging
around from one side of town to the other twice a day etc.

Union scum dont like it ? Stiff shit bozos.

The union scum that casue that misery though
are still getting their pay packet each week.

Bullshit, if all their members are out of work, who is paying their wages?

They get the bums rush, along with all their stupid 'workers', stupid.

Look to the politicians if you want to see the real scum problem.

Pathetic, really. No one is holding a gun to anyone's
head and forcing them to do that work, fuckwit.

Unions just don't give a damn about the workers who want to work

Very Funny!

Very Pathetic in your case.

The Multinational bosses do of course, but only if the peasants want to
work for 50c an hour while the bosses get a few million dollars a year!

No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to do that work,
fuckwit.

Fuckwits like you get to like it or lump it.