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On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the green
inclined existing government that is running the existing renewable
dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
Diesel costs more to run, but costs less to build.
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the green
inclined existing government that is running the existing renewable
dependent power grid now.
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the green
inclined existing government that is running the existing renewable
dependent power grid now.
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the green
inclined existing government that is running the existing renewable
dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
** No they don't.
They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the kind that use turbines and not simply boil water.
Thermal efficiencies of 60% are possible with 500MW turbines.
On 11/02/2017 2:08 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the green
inclined existing government that is running the existing renewable
dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
**No. They need to buy back their own gas-fired power plant. The one
that the Lieberals sold to the French. Diesel is the most expensive way
to generate power. Solar is MUCH cheaper. As is gas.
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the green
inclined existing government that is running the existing renewable
dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
On 11/02/2017 2:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the green
inclined existing government that is running the existing
renewable dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
** No they don't.
They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the kind
that use turbines and not simply boil water. Thermal efficiencies of 60%
are possible with 500MW turbines.
It's entirely a matter of the period during which they're expected to
run. You don't build expensive plant that runs only hours per year,
just to save on fuel. You build cheap plant, even though it uses more
fuel, because you come out ahead economically.
On 12/02/2017 4:14 PM, F Murtz wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 2:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the green
inclined existing government that is running the existing
renewable dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
** No they don't.
They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the kind
that use turbines and not simply boil water. Thermal efficiencies of
60%
are possible with 500MW turbines.
It's entirely a matter of the period during which they're expected to
run. You don't build expensive plant that runs only hours per year,
just to save on fuel. You build cheap plant, even though it uses more
fuel, because you come out ahead economically.
While the planet slowly dies... Oh well perhaps they can buy a new one
with
the money saved?
WTF is this shite doing in aus.electronics anyway?
Mainly because there is no purely electrical news group so people tend
to lump anything electric into one group which is a better idea anyway
Electricity is electricity no matter how it is used
**Bullshit. Like most of your posts, it was just another thinly
disguised attacks on those who accept the reality of global warming and
that humans must address the release of CO2 in order to deal with it.
You are just another idiot denier and your posts are just political,
rather than technical.
I cite as proof, your constant and completely erroneous claims that the
Greens caused the problems in South Australia. You are, of course and as
usual, wrong. The electricity assets sold off by the state LIBERAL
government caused the problems faced by SA today. A fact you refuse to
accept.
Here you go off on a tangent with non electrical crap again.
~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 2:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the green
inclined existing government that is running the existing
renewable dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
** No they don't.
They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the kind
that use turbines and not simply boil water. Thermal efficiencies of
60%
are possible with 500MW turbines.
It's entirely a matter of the period during which they're expected to
run. You don't build expensive plant that runs only hours per year,
just to save on fuel. You build cheap plant, even though it uses more
fuel, because you come out ahead economically.
While the planet slowly dies... Oh well perhaps they can buy a new one
with
the money saved?
WTF is this shite doing in aus.electronics anyway?
Mainly because there is no purely electrical news group so people tend
to lump anything electric into one group which is a better idea anyway
Electricity is electricity no matter how it is used
Mainly because there is no purely electrical news group so people tendOnce upon a time on usenet Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 2:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the green
inclined existing government that is running the existing
renewable dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
** No they don't.
They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the kind
that use turbines and not simply boil water. Thermal efficiencies of 60%
are possible with 500MW turbines.
It's entirely a matter of the period during which they're expected to
run. You don't build expensive plant that runs only hours per year,
just to save on fuel. You build cheap plant, even though it uses more
fuel, because you come out ahead economically.
While the planet slowly dies... Oh well perhaps they can buy a new one with
the money saved?
WTF is this shite doing in aus.electronics anyway?
~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 2:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the green
inclined existing government that is running the existing
renewable dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
** No they don't.
They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the kind
that use turbines and not simply boil water. Thermal efficiencies
of 60% are possible with 500MW turbines.
It's entirely a matter of the period during which they're expected
to run. You don't build expensive plant that runs only hours per
year, just to save on fuel. You build cheap plant, even though it
uses more fuel, because you come out ahead economically.
While the planet slowly dies... Oh well perhaps they can buy a new
one with the money saved?
WTF is this shite doing in aus.electronics anyway?
Mainly because there is no purely electrical news group so people tend
to lump anything electric into one group which is a better idea anyway
Electricity is electricity no matter how it is used
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/02/2017 4:14 PM, F Murtz wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 2:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the green
inclined existing government that is running the existing
renewable dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
** No they don't.
They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the kind
that use turbines and not simply boil water. Thermal efficiencies of
60%
are possible with 500MW turbines.
It's entirely a matter of the period during which they're expected to
run. You don't build expensive plant that runs only hours per year,
just to save on fuel. You build cheap plant, even though it uses more
fuel, because you come out ahead economically.
While the planet slowly dies... Oh well perhaps they can buy a new one
with
the money saved?
WTF is this shite doing in aus.electronics anyway?
Mainly because there is no purely electrical news group so people tend
to lump anything electric into one group which is a better idea anyway
Electricity is electricity no matter how it is used
**Bullshit. Like most of your posts, it was just another thinly
disguised attacks on those who accept the reality of global warming and
that humans must address the release of CO2 in order to deal with it.
You are just another idiot denier and your posts are just political,
rather than technical.
I cite as proof, your constant and completely erroneous claims that the
Greens caused the problems in South Australia. You are, of course and as
usual, wrong. The electricity assets sold off by the state LIBERAL
government caused the problems faced by SA today. A fact you refuse to
accept.
Here you go off on a tangent with non electrical crap again.
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/02/2017 5:24 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/02/2017 4:14 PM, F Murtz wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 2:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the green
inclined existing government that is running the existing
renewable dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
** No they don't.
They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the kind
that use turbines and not simply boil water. Thermal
efficiencies of
60%
are possible with 500MW turbines.
It's entirely a matter of the period during which they're
expected to
run. You don't build expensive plant that runs only hours per year,
just to save on fuel. You build cheap plant, even though it uses
more
fuel, because you come out ahead economically.
While the planet slowly dies... Oh well perhaps they can buy a new
one
with
the money saved?
WTF is this shite doing in aus.electronics anyway?
Mainly because there is no purely electrical news group so people tend
to lump anything electric into one group which is a better idea anyway
Electricity is electricity no matter how it is used
**Bullshit. Like most of your posts, it was just another thinly
disguised attacks on those who accept the reality of global warming and
that humans must address the release of CO2 in order to deal with it.
You are just another idiot denier and your posts are just political,
rather than technical.
I cite as proof, your constant and completely erroneous claims that the
Greens caused the problems in South Australia. You are, of course
and as
usual, wrong. The electricity assets sold off by the state LIBERAL
government caused the problems faced by SA today. A fact you refuse to
accept.
Here you go off on a tangent with non electrical crap again.
**You're not fooling anyone, you dumb shit. YOU started the thread, by
launching an attack on the Greens, when everyone knows it was the
Lieberal state government, by selling the SA electrical assets that
caused the problem faced by SA today.
If YOU don't want off-topic thread in aus.electronics, then YOU should
not start such threads. Moreover, get your facts straight. The Greens
have consistently fought various state governments to prevent the sale
of vital electrical assets to private companies. Private companies are
profit-focused. They're not particularly interested in how much
inconvenience is caused to consumers, provided their bottom line is
either enhanced or not negatively affected. Governments, OTOH, are
always consumer (voter) focused. By selling vital infrastructure to
private concerns, Lieberal and Labor governments can claim: "It ain't
our fault." It is, of course, since the stuff should never have been
sold in the first place.
Which brings us back to the only major political party that fought
against the sale of electrical assets - The Greens. The guys you hate
with such venom and irrationality, are the very party that actually
stand for the people. IE: You and me.
Fuck me, you are dumber than dog-shit.
Keep arguing with me, if if you like. I'll bury you with facts.
Facts that wander off into past problems instead of the problem that SA
has the most expensive and at the moment most unreliable power supply
which is under the governments control
Facts that wander off into past problems instead of the problem that SAOn 12/02/2017 5:24 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/02/2017 4:14 PM, F Murtz wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 2:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the green
inclined existing government that is running the existing
renewable dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
** No they don't.
They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the kind
that use turbines and not simply boil water. Thermal efficiencies of
60%
are possible with 500MW turbines.
It's entirely a matter of the period during which they're expected to
run. You don't build expensive plant that runs only hours per year,
just to save on fuel. You build cheap plant, even though it uses more
fuel, because you come out ahead economically.
While the planet slowly dies... Oh well perhaps they can buy a new one
with
the money saved?
WTF is this shite doing in aus.electronics anyway?
Mainly because there is no purely electrical news group so people tend
to lump anything electric into one group which is a better idea anyway
Electricity is electricity no matter how it is used
**Bullshit. Like most of your posts, it was just another thinly
disguised attacks on those who accept the reality of global warming and
that humans must address the release of CO2 in order to deal with it.
You are just another idiot denier and your posts are just political,
rather than technical.
I cite as proof, your constant and completely erroneous claims that the
Greens caused the problems in South Australia. You are, of course and as
usual, wrong. The electricity assets sold off by the state LIBERAL
government caused the problems faced by SA today. A fact you refuse to
accept.
Here you go off on a tangent with non electrical crap again.
**You're not fooling anyone, you dumb shit. YOU started the thread, by
launching an attack on the Greens, when everyone knows it was the
Lieberal state government, by selling the SA electrical assets that
caused the problem faced by SA today.
If YOU don't want off-topic thread in aus.electronics, then YOU should
not start such threads. Moreover, get your facts straight. The Greens
have consistently fought various state governments to prevent the sale
of vital electrical assets to private companies. Private companies are
profit-focused. They're not particularly interested in how much
inconvenience is caused to consumers, provided their bottom line is
either enhanced or not negatively affected. Governments, OTOH, are
always consumer (voter) focused. By selling vital infrastructure to
private concerns, Lieberal and Labor governments can claim: "It ain't
our fault." It is, of course, since the stuff should never have been
sold in the first place.
Which brings us back to the only major political party that fought
against the sale of electrical assets - The Greens. The guys you hate
with such venom and irrationality, are the very party that actually
stand for the people. IE: You and me.
Fuck me, you are dumber than dog-shit.
Keep arguing with me, if if you like. I'll bury you with facts.
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/02/2017 1:52 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/02/2017 5:24 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/02/2017 4:14 PM, F Murtz wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 2:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the
green
inclined existing government that is running the existing
renewable dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
** No they don't.
They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the kind
that use turbines and not simply boil water. Thermal
efficiencies of
60%
are possible with 500MW turbines.
It's entirely a matter of the period during which they're
expected to
run. You don't build expensive plant that runs only hours per
year,
just to save on fuel. You build cheap plant, even though it uses
more
fuel, because you come out ahead economically.
While the planet slowly dies... Oh well perhaps they can buy a new
one
with
the money saved?
WTF is this shite doing in aus.electronics anyway?
Mainly because there is no purely electrical news group so people
tend
to lump anything electric into one group which is a better idea
anyway
Electricity is electricity no matter how it is used
**Bullshit. Like most of your posts, it was just another thinly
disguised attacks on those who accept the reality of global warming
and
that humans must address the release of CO2 in order to deal with it.
You are just another idiot denier and your posts are just political,
rather than technical.
I cite as proof, your constant and completely erroneous claims that
the
Greens caused the problems in South Australia. You are, of course
and as
usual, wrong. The electricity assets sold off by the state LIBERAL
government caused the problems faced by SA today. A fact you
refuse to
accept.
Here you go off on a tangent with non electrical crap again.
**You're not fooling anyone, you dumb shit. YOU started the thread, by
launching an attack on the Greens, when everyone knows it was the
Lieberal state government, by selling the SA electrical assets that
caused the problem faced by SA today.
If YOU don't want off-topic thread in aus.electronics, then YOU should
not start such threads. Moreover, get your facts straight. The Greens
have consistently fought various state governments to prevent the sale
of vital electrical assets to private companies. Private companies are
profit-focused. They're not particularly interested in how much
inconvenience is caused to consumers, provided their bottom line is
either enhanced or not negatively affected. Governments, OTOH, are
always consumer (voter) focused. By selling vital infrastructure to
private concerns, Lieberal and Labor governments can claim: "It ain't
our fault." It is, of course, since the stuff should never have been
sold in the first place.
Which brings us back to the only major political party that fought
against the sale of electrical assets - The Greens. The guys you hate
with such venom and irrationality, are the very party that actually
stand for the people. IE: You and me.
Fuck me, you are dumber than dog-shit.
Keep arguing with me, if if you like. I'll bury you with facts.
Facts that wander off into past problems instead of the problem that SA
has the most expensive and at the moment most unreliable power supply
which is under the governments control
**Again: The power generation is partly under private control. THAT is
the problem and it was set-up by the state Lieberal government that
privatised parts of the network.
it should be under the control of the government and if it is not
working, regardless of who caused it the government in power could and
should fix it.
Or should we just leave it, sit back,do nothing and like you just say
the libs caused it.
As far as I am concerned the ruling government has the responsibility to
be seen fixing it, not just sit back and blame everyone else and do
nothing.
They may yet do something and we can all start on the next worse
There are companies that were going broke, moved to Victoria because of
costs and are now in a worse state because of power costs.
Again: The Greens tried to stop the privatisation.
Clear?
On 13/02/2017 1:52 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/02/2017 5:24 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/02/2017 4:14 PM, F Murtz wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 2:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the
green
inclined existing government that is running the existing
renewable dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
** No they don't.
They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the kind
that use turbines and not simply boil water. Thermal
efficiencies of
60%
are possible with 500MW turbines.
It's entirely a matter of the period during which they're
expected to
run. You don't build expensive plant that runs only hours per year,
just to save on fuel. You build cheap plant, even though it uses
more
fuel, because you come out ahead economically.
While the planet slowly dies... Oh well perhaps they can buy a new
one
with
the money saved?
WTF is this shite doing in aus.electronics anyway?
Mainly because there is no purely electrical news group so people
tend
to lump anything electric into one group which is a better idea
anyway
Electricity is electricity no matter how it is used
**Bullshit. Like most of your posts, it was just another thinly
disguised attacks on those who accept the reality of global warming
and
that humans must address the release of CO2 in order to deal with it.
You are just another idiot denier and your posts are just political,
rather than technical.
I cite as proof, your constant and completely erroneous claims that
the
Greens caused the problems in South Australia. You are, of course
and as
usual, wrong. The electricity assets sold off by the state LIBERAL
government caused the problems faced by SA today. A fact you refuse to
accept.
Here you go off on a tangent with non electrical crap again.
**You're not fooling anyone, you dumb shit. YOU started the thread, by
launching an attack on the Greens, when everyone knows it was the
Lieberal state government, by selling the SA electrical assets that
caused the problem faced by SA today.
If YOU don't want off-topic thread in aus.electronics, then YOU should
not start such threads. Moreover, get your facts straight. The Greens
have consistently fought various state governments to prevent the sale
of vital electrical assets to private companies. Private companies are
profit-focused. They're not particularly interested in how much
inconvenience is caused to consumers, provided their bottom line is
either enhanced or not negatively affected. Governments, OTOH, are
always consumer (voter) focused. By selling vital infrastructure to
private concerns, Lieberal and Labor governments can claim: "It ain't
our fault." It is, of course, since the stuff should never have been
sold in the first place.
Which brings us back to the only major political party that fought
against the sale of electrical assets - The Greens. The guys you hate
with such venom and irrationality, are the very party that actually
stand for the people. IE: You and me.
Fuck me, you are dumber than dog-shit.
Keep arguing with me, if if you like. I'll bury you with facts.
Facts that wander off into past problems instead of the problem that SA
has the most expensive and at the moment most unreliable power supply
which is under the governments control
**Again: The power generation is partly under private control. THAT is
the problem and it was set-up by the state Lieberal government that
privatised parts of the network.
Again: The Greens tried to stop the privatisation.
Clear?
On 13/02/2017 5:48 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/02/2017 1:52 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/02/2017 5:24 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/02/2017 4:14 PM, F Murtz wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 2:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the
green
inclined existing government that is running the existing
renewable dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
** No they don't.
They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the kind
that use turbines and not simply boil water. Thermal
efficiencies of
60%
are possible with 500MW turbines.
It's entirely a matter of the period during which they're
expected to
run. You don't build expensive plant that runs only hours per
year,
just to save on fuel. You build cheap plant, even though it uses
more
fuel, because you come out ahead economically.
While the planet slowly dies... Oh well perhaps they can buy a new
one
with
the money saved?
WTF is this shite doing in aus.electronics anyway?
Mainly because there is no purely electrical news group so people
tend
to lump anything electric into one group which is a better idea
anyway
Electricity is electricity no matter how it is used
**Bullshit. Like most of your posts, it was just another thinly
disguised attacks on those who accept the reality of global warming
and
that humans must address the release of CO2 in order to deal with
it.
You are just another idiot denier and your posts are just political,
rather than technical.
I cite as proof, your constant and completely erroneous claims that
the
Greens caused the problems in South Australia. You are, of course
and as
usual, wrong. The electricity assets sold off by the state LIBERAL
government caused the problems faced by SA today. A fact you
refuse to
accept.
Here you go off on a tangent with non electrical crap again.
**You're not fooling anyone, you dumb shit. YOU started the thread, by
launching an attack on the Greens, when everyone knows it was the
Lieberal state government, by selling the SA electrical assets that
caused the problem faced by SA today.
If YOU don't want off-topic thread in aus.electronics, then YOU should
not start such threads. Moreover, get your facts straight. The Greens
have consistently fought various state governments to prevent the sale
of vital electrical assets to private companies. Private companies are
profit-focused. They're not particularly interested in how much
inconvenience is caused to consumers, provided their bottom line is
either enhanced or not negatively affected. Governments, OTOH, are
always consumer (voter) focused. By selling vital infrastructure to
private concerns, Lieberal and Labor governments can claim: "It ain't
our fault." It is, of course, since the stuff should never have been
sold in the first place.
Which brings us back to the only major political party that fought
against the sale of electrical assets - The Greens. The guys you hate
with such venom and irrationality, are the very party that actually
stand for the people. IE: You and me.
Fuck me, you are dumber than dog-shit.
Keep arguing with me, if if you like. I'll bury you with facts.
Facts that wander off into past problems instead of the problem that SA
has the most expensive and at the moment most unreliable power supply
which is under the governments control
**Again: The power generation is partly under private control. THAT is
the problem and it was set-up by the state Lieberal government that
privatised parts of the network.
it should be under the control of the government and if it is not
working, regardless of who caused it the government in power could and
should fix it.
**And just how will the government do that? Take as much space as you
require to explain the legal implications of the government breaching a
contract with the private operator. How much will such a thing cost the
taxpayer?
Or should we just leave it, sit back,do nothing and like you just say
the libs caused it.
**_I_ don't "say" the Lieberals sold off the assets. They DID sell off
the assets. Fuck me. You will never admit it, will you?
As far as I am concerned the ruling government has the responsibility to
be seen fixing it, not just sit back and blame everyone else and do
nothing.
**Why do you think they are doing nothing?
They may yet do something and we can all start on the next worse
There are companies that were going broke, moved to Victoria because of
costs and are now in a worse state because of power costs.
**Name those companies.
Again: The Greens tried to stop the privatisation.
Clear?
**Clear? Do you acknowledge that the Greens tried to stop privatisation
of electricity assets across the nation?
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/02/2017 5:48 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/02/2017 1:52 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/02/2017 5:24 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/02/2017 4:14 PM, F Murtz wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 2:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
On 11/02/2017 1:36 PM, F Murtz wrote:
It was not the greens that sold the power off but it is the
green
inclined existing government that is running the existing
renewable dependent power grid now.
SA needs to install some diesel generator plant.
** No they don't.
They may need to build a couple of natural gas plants - the
kind
that use turbines and not simply boil water. Thermal
efficiencies of
60%
are possible with 500MW turbines.
It's entirely a matter of the period during which they're
expected to
run. You don't build expensive plant that runs only hours per
year,
just to save on fuel. You build cheap plant, even though it uses
more
fuel, because you come out ahead economically.
While the planet slowly dies... Oh well perhaps they can buy a
new
one
with
the money saved?
WTF is this shite doing in aus.electronics anyway?
Mainly because there is no purely electrical news group so people
tend
to lump anything electric into one group which is a better idea
anyway
Electricity is electricity no matter how it is used
**Bullshit. Like most of your posts, it was just another thinly
disguised attacks on those who accept the reality of global warming
and
that humans must address the release of CO2 in order to deal with
it.
You are just another idiot denier and your posts are just
political,
rather than technical.
I cite as proof, your constant and completely erroneous claims that
the
Greens caused the problems in South Australia. You are, of course
and as
usual, wrong. The electricity assets sold off by the state LIBERAL
government caused the problems faced by SA today. A fact you
refuse to
accept.
Here you go off on a tangent with non electrical crap again.
**You're not fooling anyone, you dumb shit. YOU started the
thread, by
launching an attack on the Greens, when everyone knows it was the
Lieberal state government, by selling the SA electrical assets that
caused the problem faced by SA today.
If YOU don't want off-topic thread in aus.electronics, then YOU
should
not start such threads. Moreover, get your facts straight. The Greens
have consistently fought various state governments to prevent the
sale
of vital electrical assets to private companies. Private companies
are
profit-focused. They're not particularly interested in how much
inconvenience is caused to consumers, provided their bottom line is
either enhanced or not negatively affected. Governments, OTOH, are
always consumer (voter) focused. By selling vital infrastructure to
private concerns, Lieberal and Labor governments can claim: "It ain't
our fault." It is, of course, since the stuff should never have been
sold in the first place.
Which brings us back to the only major political party that fought
against the sale of electrical assets - The Greens. The guys you hate
with such venom and irrationality, are the very party that actually
stand for the people. IE: You and me.
Fuck me, you are dumber than dog-shit.
Keep arguing with me, if if you like. I'll bury you with facts.
Facts that wander off into past problems instead of the problem
that SA
has the most expensive and at the moment most unreliable power supply
which is under the governments control
**Again: The power generation is partly under private control. THAT is
the problem and it was set-up by the state Lieberal government that
privatised parts of the network.
it should be under the control of the government and if it is not
working, regardless of who caused it the government in power could and
should fix it.
**And just how will the government do that? Take as much space as you
require to explain the legal implications of the government breaching a
contract with the private operator. How much will such a thing cost the
taxpayer?
They should just sit back and do nothing and know they will never be
blamed by Trevor because they did not do it
Or should we just leave it, sit back,do nothing and like you just say
the libs caused it.
**_I_ don't "say" the Lieberals sold off the assets. They DID sell off
the assets. Fuck me. You will never admit it, will you?
As far as I am concerned the ruling government has the responsibility to
be seen fixing it, not just sit back and blame everyone else and do
nothing.
**Why do you think they are doing nothing?
They may yet do something and we can all start on the next worse
There are companies that were going broke, moved to Victoria because of
costs and are now in a worse state because of power costs.
**Name those companies.
Again: The Greens tried to stop the privatisation.
Clear?
**Clear? Do you acknowledge that the Greens tried to stop privatisation
of electricity assets across the nation?